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Guy suspects that his new girlfriend is settling for him after fucking dozens of alphas. R/dating_advice tells him to stick his head in the sand and date her anyway.

needsomehelp3211
September 1, 2014
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Title Guy suspects that his new girlfriend is settling for him after fucking dozens of alphas. R/dating_advice tells him to stick his head in the sand and date her anyway.
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Upvotes 209
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Date September 1, 2014 1:08 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
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Comments

[–]Loodu175 points176 points177 points 11 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link

It's like they refuse to accept that it's humiliating to be able to date a girl you fancy only after she experienced the wild & exciting phase of sex just for pleasure. They refuse to accept that during all those years she would have rejected him saying "nuh-hu nerdy boy, I'm having fun, I'm young". He was on the bench on the side of the playground waiting until she wanted something financially stable, and they refuse to admit that's humiliating. Hypocrits.

[–]merkmerk7362 points63 points64 points 11 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand why we have all these people trying to shame men (it's always men) for having a problem with the former-slut-baggage.

Lots of men feel this way. Why is this something that should be stifled?

[–]Loodu45 points46 points47 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Because they feel entitled to men sucking it up. They want betas to accept the dominance of the sexually attractive guys when they're young. They go for the winner, the cool guy. Being a nice helpful person doesn't matter sexually.

Once financial stability & being responsible become important assets (typically after college), they go for the beta and expect the cocky thugs they slept with in the past to suck it up.

Most of women despise weakness: if you're humiliated they expect you not to complain and to accept it. If you complain they say you're slut shamming.

[–]Bison_bonasus 28 points28 points28 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If this is slut shaming, is there really anything wrong with slut shaming? I don't want to date women who (used to) fuck around. I get a lot of shit for that.

I'm getting the feeling I am no longer 'in touch' with society.

[–]philipzimbardo7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

No, nothing wrong. If women feel the need to exercise sexual freedom, men are just as able to exercise discretion in choosing long-term partners. Someone with a promiscuous history is probably not a great candidate and it is not unreasonable at all to feel averse.

I read this here a long time ago, but it still sticks with me today: the world thinks men want casual sex and women want intimacy, but at the end of the day, men want to be able to open up and have a meaningful connection whereas women want sex followed by a provider. Keep that in mind when contemplating commitment.

[–]Bison_bonasus1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Great answer. I discussed this with a friend the other day and said friend was really surprised that I 'judged' women like that. I felt like it is the natural way to feel.

[–][deleted] 5 points5 points5 points 11 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]joe_bruised_ego21 points22 points23 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Male sexuality is commonly shamed- if you’re attracted to a woman physically you’re “objectifying” her. If you aren’t you’re shallow. If she isn’t attracted to you and you dare talk to her you’re a creep who’s “perpetuating rape culture” . If you’re naturally attracted to younger women, sometimes even if they’re 18 and 19, you’re a pedo. If you don’t want to be with someone who’s fucked half the planet you’re slutshaming. If you don’t want to date Jabba the Hutt’s ugly sister you’re just a he-bitch that can’t handle a real woman. Etc.

[–]we_r_legun1993 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is only if you are unattractive of course.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lots of men feel this way. Why is this something that should be stifled?

Because it interferes with the female imperative.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]TheD_-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Because 9 times outta 10 it comes from a place of insecurity.

[–]bassline10 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This sounds just like the bitch logic. "If you're not okay with her having shitloads of guy friends, having girls nights out and getting fucked in the ass by numerous men, you are insecure!"

[–]Kharn014 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Their response would just be "oh but I was young and not ready for love! I had to find me" it's sheer coincidence that this change happens around 30 as the hormones shift. Sometimes I feel bad that women have multiple hormonal changes over their lifespan, guys get the huge T peak at 21 and then a gradual slope down.

[–]Loodu2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's true that having our peak attractiveness around 30 is something somehow advantageous. You can still sleep with very very attractive girls without worrying about studies anymore.

[–]Halfaredpill-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

it's sheer coincidence that this change happens around 30 as the hormones shift.

Just gonna throw this out here . . . or maybe it's because at thirty, you're older, more mature, are more developed as a person, and are more certain of who you are and want you want?

[–]Kharn00 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We'll have to experiment. Keep one group of womens hormones the same from age 18-40 and a control group during the same range. Then evaluate their relationships/sex partners and their "biological clock" status. Of course, they'd all have to be isolated from babies and friends that get pregnant, just to be sure

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Funny how "finding out what you want" is almost invariably "Rich, stable beta provider" after riding a ton of cock.

Is it more plausible to believe that all women have to grow up before they realize that's what they want, or is it more likely they are forced into that perspective due to their depreciating looks?

[–]Halfaredpill0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A bit of both, perhaps? It's not always black and white.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Human behaviour is not as unpredictable as you may think. Follow the incentives and you can easily gauge how people will react.

[–]2wiseclockcounter40 points41 points42 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

You're humiliated? That sounds like a personal issue. Maybe you should work on that insecurity cuz you kinda sound like an asshole and she doesn't deserve that kind of partner.

edit: SARCASM, lol jesus guys, did you not read the redditlog? That was nearly verbatim of what one of the posters said.

[–]Loodu13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not, because when a girl makes me understand I'm only dad/husband material to her, I simply stop and forget her. Telling a guy to wait quietly on the side of the road for a few years while she gets fucked by dudebros in her young years is humiliating. You're just denying that because that's probably something you would do.

[–]RojoEscarlata6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well he was talking in general, but being a Beta bucks is humiliating however you want to look at it.

[–]Bison_bonasus 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Honest question. It really is humiliation you feel, right? Not that 'lost love' bullshit Hollywood is trying to feed me.

[–]Loodu8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, it is humiliating to be put on the side of the road during the fun & wild phase, and having to wait for the 'responsible and day-to-day life' phase before getting with her. What you feel is irrelevant. If tomatoes are thrown at you during your performance, no matter how you personally feel, it is a humiliating thing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This seems to be a problem unique to former deeply bluepill betas who carry a grudge (not implying they do or don't deserve to hold a grudge).

Someone who finds redpill at 16 won't really care how many women the girl he picks for an LTR at 30 had in her 20s. Right?

[–]Loodu2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What I was saying is only valid if the woman tells you "I would never have dated you in the past, you were not my type", like it is said in the redditlog.

Otherwise that's fine.

[–]atacms-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But who cares? Seriously if he feels that insecure about it just leave the girl and problem solved.

[–]Loodu5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly what he should do, leave the girl. Who cares about being humiliated? Any man who has dignity and self respect. Feeling secure isn't enough to save your dignity.

[–]atacms-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Being humiliated that the girl you're dating had a promiscuous history and now she's settling for you?

This is easy... don't settle for her the only reason you should ever feel humiliated is if you acknowledge it and settle for it...and really that's if you care about it.

Bro, I just don't see your view point unless you have a different way of explaining this.

[–]Loodu0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not that she had a promiscuous history. But that she would have rejected you during the fun sex times, when she was more difficult and picky on the dominant trait. Never allow yourself to be a second choice, a plan b. Just fuck her and tell her that if she didn't want you at her best, then you're not gonna give her your time now that she changed.

[–]Artemisiia -1 points-1 points-1 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

not any different than an alpha settling for a girl he thinks is "conservative" or saving herself

[–]tway010122 points3 points4 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

You're missing the point that. A sensible alpha who wifes down a relatively young woman who's had 0 or few partners may be "settling down" but he is not "settling". In the scenario described, the girl is definitely settling and settling down.

[–]Artemisiia1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

dating betas is not settling down--it's the opposite. look what happens to those alphas who peaked in high school or college. No one wants to marry them, they are used up and thrown away

[–]BadJokeHour 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Okay? both are bad. what's your point?

[–]Artemisiia 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Simply alluding to the hypocrisy and unsustainable line of logic I would expect from feminists. You can't expect to find a conservative girl if everyone is encouraged to go out and screw as many girls as possible--the numbers don't add up. And even if one comes across a conservative girl, why would she settle for STD-ridden leftovers?

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Because men and women have different criteria for attraction. A man that is capable of having multiple sexual partners is attractive to women. Look up pre-selection.

A woman that can have multiple sex partners is...a woman. Most men are utterly repulsed by sluttiness.

This is wholly rooted in evolutionary biology. I can go more into it if you like.

[–]Artemisiia 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You may be confusing causation with correlation. Women may be attracted to men that have multiple sex partners not because he has multiple sex partners, but because the ones that are attractive tend to attract many women. Women are just as repulsed at the idea of passing around/sharing a used tampon, but finding an attractive male that has not attracted any females in the past is rare, especially provided that women have this rather bandwagoning nature in their desires.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

No, just the fact that a man is able to have more partners is in itself more attractive. It explains the phenomena of mate-poaching that all men experience once they are in committed relationships or married. Men usually experience more female attention when they are already committed.

Compare that with men. A woman that does not attract any other men isn't in any way undesirable to men, so long as she is attractive to you. That is never true for women; a man that is not desirable by any other women is seen as suspect.

Men and women are very different.

[–]leodoestheopposite 84 points85 points86 points 11 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

This is a post from the top commenter, the one who told OP "You sound super judgmental..."

http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/943849

From her post:

Typically, I’m a huge advocate of frank, honest discussion.

About a guy she's dating

I told him on date three that I don’t sleep with anyone I’m not exclusive with

BUT

Meanwhile, all I've done for a year straight is casually date

She is "casually dating" other guys, but not this guy. And she's huge advocate of frank, honest discussion.

[–]myprimetime 64 points64 points64 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

yeah that's the worst thing as far as I'm concerned.

That a casual hook up gets the goods on date 1, while the "relationship" material guy gets to jump through extra hoops to get the same thing.

Hell, 9 out of 10 times, the "quality" guy won't even get the same thing. Because she'll pretend being a "good" girl who doesn't do such things.

[–]leodoestheopposite 42 points43 points44 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

That's where The Red Pill comes into place, it offers a clear view of reality.

[–]2johnnight18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

My personal inviolable rule is that I will never marry a woman that just does not want to straight fuck me or at least genuinely looks like she can barely control herself on the first date.

[–]MaxPower610 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This. I have employed a one date strategy. I'm much happier now.

[–]Glenbert4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ditto. I have LTRd two women who made me wait. I perceived then as "good girls" because of that. It's the oldest trick in the book!

[–]behringer__ 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yours is the opposite of what they were saying. He said he won't ltr a woman that doesnt fuck on the first date

[–]Glenbert0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Ditto" means I agree with him.

Why, because I had done the opposite only to learn that I was being deceived.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's going to get tough for women if all men take that approach (not that I care, they've made their bed). We're starting to see that more and more: if they sleep on the first date, they feel like sluts, but if they don't, they don't get a second date. And with every guy they do open their legs for, their value goes down.

[–]tway010120 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been working towards the same. At early TRP stages, it was hard. Half-assed refusals, caving in and going on 2nd dates. Failed shit tests.

A few weeks ago I cut a date short, gave no real specifics just said I didn't think we were a good fit. Ironically, she then really wanted to know why, tried to escalate but I just got out of there. Not worth it, especially if insecurity can make her go from 0 to 60 like that.

[–]GC0W3010 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

That a casual hook up gets the goods on date 1, while the "relationship" material guy gets to jump through extra hoops to get the same thing.

It sucks for the "relationship fodder" guy, but for the woman it makes complete sense. When they make an average beta wait for 3 dates to get it, the level of compliance they gain from the beta is substantially higher. You'd do it too in their shoes. It might be a bitch move, but I can't be angry about it.

[–]cptspiffy 15 points15 points15 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Be honest, (assuming marriage is even a possibility for you) would you consider marrying a chick who gave it up on the first date? No, you'd plate her.

From their perspective, it makes sense.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't even consider going long term with a girl who gives it up on the first date, but I always push for it, because I enjoy it.

I guess that's the problem, I want a girl who values herself enough to wait, but I always worry she's making me wait, but not other guys.

[–]Glenbert8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Your worry is well grounded. Guaranteed that the nice conservative girl who makes you wait has recently sucked of a guy she barely knew.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The thing is I know at least three guys whose girlfriends were virgins before they started dating, so it is possible (and this is in California, surprisingly enough). Just quite rare in this day.

[–]BadJokeHour 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

yeah my brother took his girl's virginity and they've been dating a while now. they exist, just extremely rare as you said. I know this sub says not to look for these unicorns but I'm determined to marry a girl like that. I just can't take a LTR seriously if she's been plowed by other dudes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

One or two previous partners is fine by me, as long as they "deserved her" as much as I do. Until then I'm sticking to one night stands and short term relationships.

Edit: Ok, I guess virgins are the only things worth going for.

[–]cptspiffy4 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Well of course you do. That's the game, after all!

[–]PersianDj2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's a scenario--

"This young gorgeous virgin is so attracted to a guy she can barely look him in the eyes for 3 straight seconds and is incredibly embarrassed by it. The guy can tell and he is loving it. They have intense sexual chemistry. She is pretty conservative and wants to get physically intimate only with the guy she marries.

So she asks him to wait till their relationship gets a name(engaged,married) and when her mental block goes away once they are engaged she pounces on him like a hungry hyena."

This is what I want.

If somehow the girl assures me that she is really attracted to me I 'll wait as long as it takes,provided she is a virgin.

[–]Beardsman23 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Which is why if you want a relationship with a girl you have to be alpha fucks. You have to try and fuck her at the earliest possible time. Hopefully then you can see her true colours, whether she really is a good girl or not. If you set yourself up as the beta bucks type then you don't stand a chance.

[–]Glenbert0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolute truth to this one! AWALT. If they aren't putting out for you they aren't attracted to you.

[–]Beardsman21 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless she really is a good girl. As long as she puts out for me quicker than she has for any other bloke i guess i'm happy.

[–]Glenbert5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait, what?

A woman will give it up on the first date to a man she's actually attracted to. If you want a LTR, why would you plate that? More aptly, why the fuck would you LTR a woman who's not attracted to you and makes you wait like a schmuck?

I'm telling you, in in my 30s and have had 5, multi year LTRs. The women who don't put out for you quickly have you marked for BB. Because all women, all of them, will put out on the first date to an AF.

Remember, the secret to a good LTR is to be both AF and BB to a woman. If you start out as her AF the rest is so much easier.

[–]busior-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your view of the world & dating is seriously limited. When a girl doesn't put out there are two options: 1. she's not a slut 2. she wants you to think she's not a slut. When she puts out there are two options: 3. she's a slut 4. she's so attracted that she can't resist

If you think a girl that doesn't put out is an LTR material and you don't even realize there might be option 4 then there is much for you to learn

[–]cptspiffy2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

An interesting point. As for there being much for me to learn, that will be the case until the day I die.

[–]2wiseclockcounter3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Making them jump through those hoops is their way of shit testing the waters so to speak. It's conditioning the man into a position of subordination by manipulating him with access to sex. Counter-intuitively, it seems sex is the reward given to the men who can game their way through that manipulation.

[–]miss_sogony 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I genuinely feel sorry for people that take these retards comments seriously.

The guy knows whats up. Whether he has the balls to act on it, who knows.

[–]leodoestheopposite 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At times people are desperate ... the world doesn't make sense, all the messages from family, friends, TV, movies, articles etc... say one thing and then... reality is quite different.

I've been there. So have most of the people in here.

TRP is a hard pill to swallow, it's not sugar-coated at all, it's raw! It's reality as-is; and let's face it, it's not an easy thing to accept. The first time I was exposed to TRP I didn't want to believe, it was so mush easier to run with the crowd and be the person who was right and had been wronged.

But TRP is indeed reality, harsh but so is reality. Better deal with reality than with an unreal wishy-washy: that's what real men do.

I feel for those poor bastards that listen to advice from ask*, sooner or later some of them they'll find their way to their own truth.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

she's huge advocate of frank, honest discussion.

When it suits her mood and interest, anyway.

[–]carbonial72 points73 points74 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Why do people use the phrase "she deserves better" when talking about complete strangers? You've no fucking idea what she deserves

[–]RedPillProphet80 points81 points82 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's an acknowledgement of hypergamy. A women always deserves better than what she currently has.

[–]MrMagwitch8 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–]Turkerthelurker2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Shit, excellent point. This is one of those phrases that always resonated as being absurd to me, without being able to pinpoint why.

It's like the "just be yourself" and "you're going to make a great husband one day" revelations I had in the past.

"She deserves better" is an acknowledgement of hypergamy and a bit of projecting, because every girl feels "they deserve better." Spot on!

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Always! Obi Wan Kenobis Voice

[–]1bananaslug28 points29 points30 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

agh i fucking hate hearing that also. its the general idea that all women have the "oh poor me" & "ever women is a angel" bullshit. no. most women are sluts manipulating beta men.

[–]Modified_Hackware 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A plate of mine forwarded this text message to her...

Well I'm now about 2 go 2 bed myself. I just wanted 2 thank u for the chat this evening, it has been immense until I feel asleep! I hope u have sweet dreams tonight babe cause u deserve them. U r a special lady Sarah, who deserves 2 b treated like a princess, have the floor beneath u worshiped, shame this is not happening. Any way u take really good care of yourself cause I'd like to! Lol if you're about tomorrow evening then I'll chat with u again soon. xx

This individual has been divorce raped twice with two kids with two women and has known said plate for all of two weeks.

No end of thirsty idiots out there promoting hypergamy. The funny thing is, the ones who promote it the most "You deserve so much better M'Lady!" are often some of the lowest value individuals you'd ever meet.

[–]WhiteTrashInTrouble7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I cringed. And this after being divorced in the ass TWICE? Christ on a crutch.

[–]myprimetime 34 points34 points34 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

People want different things at different times of their lives. If she wanted to be with them she would be.

Yeah, they want alpha cock until they hit the wall then they settle for a beta provider before the game of musical chairs ends.

Those who make it, get beta bucks...those who don't, get a bunch of cats

[–]PlanB_pedofile12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

It's a win win for women. There will always be a beta buck at the end of the journey.

Woman with over 10 sexual partners 2 kids from 2 daddies, will settle with her beta who will be making 90k a year and puts a ring on that finger.

So either marry young, put a kid in her, and know how to alpha your youth while beta your later years or just be contempt staying single.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Woman with over 10 sexual partners 2 kids from 2 daddies, will settle with her beta who will be making 90k a year and puts a ring on that finger.

This, to be honest, is rather unlikely unless she is an 8 or 9 so the guy will look over the fact that she has baggage because he knows that's the price tag attached to his guaranteed quality pussy for life (or so he thinks).

[–]PlanB_pedofile4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol, men should learn that the ring is basically a chastity belt.

[–]sway_usa -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Actually it's like a reverse chastity belt: fuck everyone as much as possible UNTIL you get married, then never fuck again. It's a Benjamin Button chastity belt.

[–]Turkerthelurker1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You two are basically making the same point. He was saying the ring is like a chastity belt because the woman will put out UNTIL she gets the ring - at which point she is a born again virgin.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang96 points97 points98 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's a difference between gold digging and just being ready to stop playing the field when you find someone you genuinely like and want to be with.

That's what a woman top poster tells him: submit to the dual female sexual imperative, AF/BB is the law, shut up and submit.

Men are wising up though, they see the game and just plain don't want those used up bitches aboard. Now what, ladies? "omg, evil TRP/manosphere/misogynists ruining the whole party for us, we feel faint, men do something about it!"

[–]lemonparty52 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yeah, I'd believe that she "genuinely wants to be with him" if he's making $20K and living in a rented trailer.

[–]wildchild1155 points56 points57 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

my stomach turns every time I go there. overweight chicks and ball-less nancy boys giving out dating advice

[–]avoutour24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Right... dating advice from women... how many women has she dated, oh thats right, zero

[–]NotReallyEthicalLOL35 points36 points37 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hello, fish: how might I catch other fish? Thank you

[–]merkmerk733 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty good summary IMO.

But then again, that's most of reddit too.

[–]SomebodyCool5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

my stomach turns every time I go there.

It's like looking at a train wreck in slow motion. I've just gone looking and there's this guy who has spent a few years being his social circle's 'nice guy', with tons of girl treating him as an emotional tampon. Now he says he wants to 'take it up a notch' and start dating some girl romantically, but he doesn't know how.

The advice he's gotten is totally rubbish. If he follows it, and I fear he will, he'll spend year after year in the so called friendzone pining after his girl-friends while they fuck hot assholes and break his heart every time. Maybe one day he'll snap, maybe he'll just become one of the many beta chumps who wait until 35 to pick up some frat bro's slopping seconds to become their provider.

I hope I can prevent this cycle of needless pain by linking him here, but I have little hope. 'Nice guys' that haven't yet gone through their frustration phase are almost impossible to sway.

[–][deleted] 117 points118 points119 points 11 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

You sound super judgmental. What business is it of yours if she had a lot of sex? People enjoy fucking. It's not a secret and it isn't wrong.

Ok you stupid cunt. First off, nobody said it was wrong to be promiscuous. Secondly, this guy claims to be nerdy which is everything the opposite of what she has been fucking in her past. Do you get where I'm going here? She's looking for a provider. You cannot turn a hoe into a housewife. She's not done having her fun cause sluts never stop riding the CC. She's going to be out there spending his money and fucking other dudes before you know it. Guy is going to settle for the PG obligational sex whilst she is letting some Alpha pipe her anally over his kitchen table after the "girls night out."

[–][deleted] 11 points11 points11 points 11 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz23 points24 points25 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Morality is relative. Personal preferences are absolute.

[–]humankin6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Secondly, this guy claims to be nerdy which is everything the opposite of what she has been fucking in her past.

I wonder: if a woman fucks many of a certain sort of man then marries that sort of man, what is the effect on marriage stability? This couldn't be the more desirable sort of man since those such men tend not to marry sluts.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Since other women don't find him desirable she's going to feel secure enough to do whatever she wants and get away with it. She could cuckold him and still keep him as a provider. Beta's aren't fit for marriages, they are fit for divorce rape. He would be well on his way to that.

[–]2wiseclockcounter7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

well, you must admit that this particular poster does seem fit for a eye opening revelation. I mean, he's pretty much there as far as him intuition is concerned. He just doesn't know the proper outlet for his confusion.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. His intuition is spot on. I was just giving insight on what his life would be like if he took that bitches advice.

[–]MrMagwitch8 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–]humankin-2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't distinguish between the usual BB and this particular sort of BB. It's possible that there's no difference but you aren't providing any such evidence.

[–]Alzapua 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I aspire to be that alpha. But I don't even have a fucking kitchen table yet :( I go so much work to do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

You're not the only one bro. Lol.

[–]DrakeSaint1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Been there, done that. There's little hope in a recovering CC rider. Once a hoe, always a hoe. If you don't want to be part of the AFBB agenda, don't fall for this scam.

[–]TheRabid16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully, he never marries her and is always willing to walk away.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I feel sorry for guys going to those subs for dating info. The brainwashing and manipulation is something that all of us are just not ready for, thanks to the way we've been raised. The red pill is extremely frightening and depressing but necessary. I hate to say it, but most guys aren't going to make it. Their lives are going to be 'Blue Valentine' and knowing this has made me a pretty condescending person, as I just can not take people seriously. Rant- over.

[–]Redpiller45615 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It gets better. I took the pill about 8 months ago. I was bitter for a long fucking time. Now I feel great. It's like having X-ray glasses, but instead of seeing through objects, you just see through womens' bullshit and act accordingly.

[–]smile_e_face6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It reminds me of the time a few years ago when I started seriously keeping up with world events and politics. After a while, I started being able to see the "story behind the story" whenever something would come up on the news. I would understand why Prime Minister So-And-So was meeting with Sheikh What's-His-Name, the events leading to it and what each party hoped to get out of it. In the same way, several months of reading TRP has opened my eyes to whole layers of social and sexual manipulation that I was blind to for years. It's amazing just how devious simple comments and gestures can be.

[–]MHOOD013 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know why dudes insist on suffering in life, because of girls. I feel sorry for the poor bastards that get left with the scraps instead of being the ones taking the iniative and fucking any girl.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn right. I explicitly let young women know that you're fucking me or fucking off. If I want friends I'll go hang out with my boys. Now that's what I love so much about being a man, having a tight knit bunch of guys you love. Can't say the same for women though... all guys wanna do is fuck them and we all know that there is no real friendship amongst women... what a miserable existence.

[–]nataliieportman34 points35 points36 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He's probably correct. Trust your intuition, it's there for a reason.

[–]1bananaslug15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no, he is correct. why should this man settle for fucking sloppy seconds? women like money. plain and simple. poor dude, if he settled for this chick before you'd know it shed be fucking other dudes in his car or in his bed.

[–]Rougepellet11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What makes me cry is when men's instincts are set of that they're walking into a trap. Then these dating sites stuffed with hamsters, feminists, betas and the likes hamster away his gut feelings. Another one bites the dust

[–]-Tyler_Durden- 17 points17 points17 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Never date an alpha widow; you will never win. Best case, you have a messy break up before you get married; worst case, you lose half your shit and have to support her for the rest of your life without getting anything in return.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Never date an alpha widow; you will never win.

Well, unless you're more awesome than the "one that got away" or the guys she tried to rope in, or rather her idealized memory of him/them.

[–]Glenbert2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo. And today's "alpha" 20-somethings are what we used to call "faggots." Any man doing it right -- and by that, I mean dating a younger woman -- should have little trouble being both their AF and their BB.

[–]Pr3ssPl4y16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Just like she's playing him, if he's smart he could play her. His intuition is not wrong. That's exactly what she's doing. Just like she's pretending to be this super nice girl who's changing suits and wants to settle down, (which I'm sure there is some truth to that) he could pretend to play the provider role until he gets sex. If the sex is good, do it a couple more times, then pull the fuck back out of the relationship. Don't answer her calls, texts, or at least don't answer them frequently. This will drive her absolutely nuts, and so she will test the living shit out of him. If he passes all her bullshit tests then she will be in his world, and he will have all the power. He needs to show her that he doesn't need her, that he's comfortable as fuck being single, and is willing to walk away. If he does this, he will be the decider, he'll be able to ditch that beta-ass mindset he has now, and can either decide to continue the relationship or end it on his terms.

[–]NotReallyEthicalLOL 5 points5 points5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

He's not going to turn TRP over night

[–]Pr3ssPl4y2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

You're absolutely right. It can take years to undo all the social programming. I'm just here planting seeds.

[–]Modified_Hackware 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He isn't smart. You don't have to be a Terp to see that /r/sex and /r/dating_advice etc are full of worthless retards.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

he could pretend to play the provider role until he gets sex. If the sex is good, do it a couple more times, then pull the fuck back out of the relationship.

Awesome idea to do that with a woman you work with. /s

No, honestly. I would actually suggest him to try to pull that, if it wasn't for the fallout. Unless he has a really good excuse ready she'll buy ("my high school sweetheart reached out to me and I really want to give it a shot"), he should pull back for good.

[–]Rush-into-the-fray 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Instincts save the day every day

[–]PersianDj10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes I feel reddit is overwhelmingly female

[–]KnighT_230 points31 points32 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Reddit is composed of a few women and many effeminate men.

[–]The_Psychopath13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why downvote him? It's true, they're all dressed as homosexual hipsters with valley girl accents.

[–]2Overkillengine9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just a glut of thirsty male blue pill betas (pandering white knights) skewing the comments.

[–]tedbradly11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What business is it of yours if she had a lot of sex?

Yes, what business is it to know the type of person you are dating.

[–]hohamocha 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound super judgmental. What business is it of yours if she had a lot of sex? People enjoy fucking. It's not a secret and it isn't wrong.

WK Translation: Even though she has fucked tons of guys, you should take care of her. Be a good man and take care of a whore.

If you feel like she's just after your money, that has nothing to do with her dating history and more to do with her personality and the vibes she's giving off. Do you have any reason to believe that's the case?

WK Translation: Even though you are nothing like the guys that she fucks, you shouldn't be suspicious when she shows signs of attraction to you.

If you don't have a reason to think that, but are just hung up on comparing yourself to her exes and being intimidated, then those are your own self esteem issues that you need to deal with and not write her off as "sloppy seconds" (gross and demeaning phrase, by the way, don't use it) to avoid working on yourself.

WK Translation : Your whole purpose of life is to wife her up. Otherwise you are not a man. Improving yourself an only be done if you wife her up.

If, however, you don't think she's necessarily just after your money and actually likes you and you like her, but you're willing to walk away from that because she has a sexual history and you think that somehow makes her less than or used up, then you're kind of an asshole and she deserves better. It's 2014, bro.

WK translation: You are not allowed to decide whether or not you want to provide for some bitch who already has had her fun. Now that she's ready to settle down, and get a man who will sacrifice himself for her, you are not allowed to deny her that wish. Even if you may think she is using you. The whole purpose of your life is to provide for a woman who has finished riding the carousel. She's not the selfish entitled one, you are the selfish entitled one, because you won't sacrifice yourself for someone who won't do the same for you. Also, you should be in a committed relationship with her, even though she has let other guys nail her without successfully trapping them in a relationship.

There's a difference between gold digging and just being ready to stop playing the field when you find someone you genuinely like and want to be with.

WK Translation: There is a difference between gold digging and getting off the cock carousel (due to a combo of your fading looks and need for someone for emotional validation and financial security) to find someone who will provide and take care of you. Those are not the same things......apparently.

I wonder if White Knights take estrogen pills to fuck up their logical thinking.

[–]planned_serendipity11 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Bluepill linked to it and downvoted the post past 0.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, they think that's a RP false flag post.

To be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised if many of them are that, they're too textbook for it. But then again, I am seeing this happening on a semi-regular basis in real life (except that the guys usually aren't lucid enough about what happens to them or at least don't go on the internet to ask random strangers about it).

However, if it wasn't for all those twits using RP vocabulary, instead of writing a somewhat more wordy yet term-neutral post that's seems levelheaded and rational to outsiders as well but transports fundamentally the same idea, it would help the guy a lot more than just writing "lol CC riding slut pump & dump her bro".

[–]2Overkillengine0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like I have a point or something when I rant at people for being too lazy to break out a dictionary when writing up a comment here.

Plus, 38th Law of Power: Think as you like but behave like others.

A lot of people here pay lip service to it but fall on their face come time to use it.

[–]YourKarmaMeansNothin1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it just me, or, looking through the new comments on that page, is anyone else fucking proud that we saved that guy from the shittest type of relationship?

[–]RPSavant0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the post almost seems a plant from a Red Piller but even if it was bait it is good to see the reactions.

It's hard to overpower the instinct with rationality and we can see that the guy rationally understands what is going on but at the same time he is still falling for this girl. The guy often times "hamsters" away the rational part thinking that bad things won't happen to him. Next thing you know he's divorce raped and posting angry rants on the internet.

[–]Johnny10toes0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He sounds like a good candidate for /r/theredpill by noticing something isn't quite right.

[–]DisgruntledBrit 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

'People want different things at different times of their lives. If she wanted to be with them she would be.'

This doesn't mean you're obligated to give her what she wants, however.

[–]TheD_0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you want to marry/LTR hot chicks, you're going to need experience dating hot chicks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From that sub somebody tried to refute some of what I said with what she obviously thought were some snappy one liners, so I decided to read some of her other posts which lead me to a sub called "trollxchromosomes". What I found amusing was that the first GIF I clicked on for a thread about how the value of a woman isn't reduced because she's ridden a billion dicks is of none other than Tina Fey - a woman who admitted lost her virginity at 24 and married the man she lost it to.

I howled at the irony.

[–]emprise0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Never consult dating advice from others. Just stick to your own game.

[–]sir_wankalot_here-3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Here is the reality, geek boy should be happy that he gets to fuck some leftovers. The reality is he has not value besides his money.

Once polygamy becomes legalized in other states beside Utah, geek boy will have absolutely no use besides his ability to earn money. And once sex robots become prevalent the 20% can put a sex robot tax on geek boy. Geek boy will have to code all week long so maybe he will be allowed to have sex with his sex robot.

[–]2johnnight4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Why the downvotes? This is unfortunately true.

Socially enforced monogamy gave people equality of result in the sexual market. It protected the sexual-marital interest of the weakest by giving the weakest betas and omegas a chance to marry at their value level one-on-one. The economical bottom 20% of males was marrying the uglyness bottom 20% of females. The middle married the middle. And they did this at age 20, when youth gave them 10 years of happiness before the unavoidable ruin of the post-wall zone.

Now we have a catastrophic break down into sexual anarchy. The free market decides that male betas do not get sex in their prime and spinsters do not get the ring. For some women their genetics and self-destructive carousel life makes them post-wall untouchable.

The free market gives those with the competitive edge a chance to be much richer than anyone else, take it all. The US has billionaires and it also has sexual billionaires like Gene Simmons (N=4600). But this is a zero sum game, so the losers of the game get nothing. This double inequality just begs for a revolution by sexless, moneyless gun owners.

I think the tip off point will happen when billionaires start to flaunt their sex/womb harems in the faces of the masses. Right now they are still marrying and [concentrating on leaving an industrialist intact heritage to a few offspring], but it just takes some rich guy who decides his mission in life is to impregnate as many women as possible and have an army of of spawned bastards. And he is going to shove it into your face, because his fortune will make him feel immune and not being a producer, just a consumer of wealth makes him not care about public opinion.

Edit: This is my first gold! Let me thank you unknown benefactor for this warm feeling inside!

[–]sir_wankalot_here1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your comment is similar to modified_hackware. The reality most people hate reality and will do anything to avoid it. I agree with all of your comments except the part that there will be a breakdown.

The government shittests people. The amount of crap that the average joe will put up with never ceases to amaze me. This is pretty much the same everywhere. They always have some BS excuse why they can't take action.

I am an arrogant asshole who shittests to see what people are made of. A few weeks ago I wqs invited to a party, buddy brought his new GF who is 35, he then ignored her and started drinking with the other guys.

Being bored, and being the only unattached female in the room, I then started to flirt with her. She then starts giggling away. He then comes back and tell me he just met her, maybe I am supposed to feel sorry for him. He then goes back to drinking with the guys, I then start flirting with her some more. He then comes back again and tells her I am married and a playboy. He then fucks off again. His playboy comment actually seemed to get the girl more interested, she asks if I am married. I said yes. She then tells me she will tell my wife, I am flirting. I hand her my phone and tell her to call my wife and tell her. My wife already knows I am a playboy and a flirt. She finds this extremely funny.

Finnally loser comes back really pissed, tells me I should watch myself, and to stay away from his GF. He then tells GF they are going home. I ignored the guy and told the GF to have fun.

Contrast this to my friend who usually has 3+ women going at a time. I was flirting with one of his women. I usually always do, he usually laughs it off because he isn't insecure. One time the flirting got out of hand, my friend then said to the woman, if you want to fuck him, go fuck him, I don't give a shit. But if you fuck him don't come back to me afterwards. His woman shut the fuck up right away. I then shook my friend's hand and said good one and we had a good laugh. He out shittested both me and the woman :-)

[–]RPSavant0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the downvotes probably for overuse of derrogative term but the points here at the bottom of the thread are the best.

[–]Modified_Hackware 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you. He already knows shes been with rich, muscular guys - ergo he is not rich or muscular, has already understood he is just coming into money now and she is bagging him before she hits the wall.

If it wasn't for her, who would he be shagging? I find a lot of your posts downvoted unduly harshly.

You cannot be hostile towards AFBB it just is. If this guy wants to get laid being a nerd with nothing else going on other than a budding salary then he reaps what he sows.

I think there are too many nerds who don't lift in here now whose' nerves you just pressed on.

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That top comment there permeates the air with way too much of the blue.

[–]thick_knees 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She wouldn't even let him sniff her shit stained panties 5 years ago and yet now he is an asshole for rejecting her?

[–]AlphaBetaOmegaGamma0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you ask betas for advice you will get beta advice. It's just that simple. Don't expect a beta to do an alphas job.

[–]Entrefut0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He should treat her for what she is, sleep with her, but don't commit ANYTHING.

[–]incraved-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where is the part where they tell him to dat her anyway?

I read the comments and it sounds like I'm reading TRP, maybe it's because a lot of people from here invaded the thread.

[–]squishles-4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Think you guys miss the point of that sub, it's to come and get advice to make that relationship stick together. They give bad advice yes, but break the relationship up isn't in their repertoire at all for anything, going there comes with the implicit assumption you don't want to do that.

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