Has TRP made anyone else become atheist?

TheSelfGoverned · 2016-05-21T04:40:23+00:00

he wouldn't have created such a miserable despicable creature as the human female.

Men throughout history have been equally despicable and infinitely more physically violent.

Women treat men like sub-human dirt, sure, but at least they aren't tying you up to a tree and whipping/beating you. They may manipulate you for years and divorce rape you, but at least they aren't committing mass murder.

massivewang · 2016-05-21T13:45:29+00:00

TL:DR - Was a christian for 11 years. TRPED. I only get what I work for, so why does spirituality matter?

I was an overly zealous evangelical christian for all of my youth (17-28). I did not party, I was a virgin, and I was committed to Christian activities 10-15 hours a week. I became a christian at 17 because I was lonely, had low self esteem, and felt totally lost and unprepared for adulthood. The church was an instant community and sense of purpose (it was one of those big mega churches as well, so it was pretty "cool" compared to the traditional church I grew up in).

Anyway in my late twenties it all came to a head when I woke up one day and realized I was fucking miserable. I found the TRP in that moment, and began to unpack that I was miserable because I was a giant fucking people pleaser, and I had lived the past 11 years of my life for other people and not myself. I had totally neglected all of my needs/wants/desires for the sake of Jesus and the church and couldn't do it anymore.

After reading all of the resources I could get my hand on (PUA blogs, rollo, redpill stuff, no more mr nice guy etc) I began the hard work of becoming a person and becoming a man.

I can't say that I'm an atheist per se, I just don't think spiritual beliefs matter or add any value to my life at this point. I was hyper religious, my faith was the foundation. You would not have found anyone more comitted to their faith than I. I was on mission trips, involved in outreaches, evangelized to my friends/family/co-workers. I was in it 150%. I prayed/served/asked God to do so much in my life, genuinely believing that he was the Source/provider/helper. Yet as I've TRPED, I've realized that there is nothing in this fucking life that I will obtain or achieve without my own effort. Money, relationships, experiences, all of these are the direct result of my effort/action/etc.

And so I beg the question, if everything in this fucking life is dependent on my effort - why the fuck do I need spirituality? Is spirituality gonna give me a smoking hot plate? Help me lose 15 lbs? Deadlift 500 lbs? No? Then fuck off (that's just stream of consciousness of how I feel, I'm not here to hate on anyone for what they believe. Again I just can't see the value for me personally).

Now besides the fact that I don't see any value in it, even if I wanted to believe, where would I turn and who would I believe? There's a shit ton of christian denominations, there's Islam (with it's own sects/divisions), Judaism, etc etc etc. In sum there are a million different belief systems, many of which that conflict with each other, and many of which claim that theirs is the "absolutely truth". In the end people just push their agendas, and only seem to care for you as long as you tow the party line. Once you step outside of that you become an apostate and nobody bothers to maintain a relationship with you.

Christian communities are a joke in this sense. Few of my friends maintain a relationship with me since I walked away, and those that do have walked away themselves (or are the few who are actually capable of critical thinking).

fdsdfs89 · 2016-05-21T03:43:03+00:00

It actually cemented my beliefs in God.

aewiggin · 2016-05-21T13:56:51+00:00

My deconversion and taking of the red pill are closely linked, along with a heavy does of millennial with divorced parents syndrome.

TL;DR - Couldn't pursue sex and relationships till I deconverted. Tried to chase pussy and failed. Took the red pill.

I was raised Christian by Christian parents. I was taught that marriage was a holy process and sex had an important spiritual component. It was so intimate that it should only be shared between two people who had promised God they would spend their life together.

My parents took about 4 years to become properly divorced. Started when I was 13/14 and ended when I was around 18. This is when the seed of doubt was planted. At this stage I was still convinced that I would get married in the future (after all, it was the only way I would ever be truly intimate with someone).

I started doing research to learn how to stop my future marriage going the way of my parents'. One of the things that stood out in this quest was the importance of sex. I knew that married couples could have sex, but I didn't think that they actually NEEDED it! I was taught that true love transcends physical lust. Turns out that love just isn't enough, and many marriages have failed due to sexual dysfunction.

Note: through these years I never let myself have any sexual contact with girls, so I didn't learn any of this first hand.

So I discover that apparently people have different sexual tastes (!!!). Some people like BDSM relationships, some people don't like oral, and some girls aren't satisfied by certain shapes or sizes of dicks. The problem is that you can't know what you like if you've never had sex. I read testimonies of couples that were virgins when they married, and came to the conclusion that it was a high risk strategy for a successful marriage.

I was at an impasse. If I wanted to find my soul mate and avoid the ordeal that my parents went through (and afflicted on their children) I would probably need to have sex. The bible clearly said that sex outside of marriage is sinful. But divorce was also sinful. At this point I seriously prepared myself to be celibate for the rest of my life. I continued that way for a couple of years.

When I finally deconverted (that's another story altogether) the puzzle pieces all fell into place. If God isn't real then there is no sin. That means premarital sex isn't immoral, and that marriage essentially pointless. It also meant I could date people who had different beliefs. I started pursuing girls but realised I had no game, no frame, and not enough looks to make up for it. Somehow ended up here after seeing my oneitis disappear into a bedroom with a guy she just met. Read the sidebar, realised it was true, cut her out of my life and never looked back.

GayLubeOil · 2016-05-21T15:50:10+00:00

I think what you don't realize is that you are always following a religion you just don't realize it. By turning away from JudeoChristian values you open yourself up to be influenced by other vales. The left hand path values of the media and state.

Once that happens you are one step closer to joining in the sodom and gomora transvestite SJW freak parade. You might think your this enlightened free thinker, but in reality your a stupid bitch who was manipulated into worshiping false gods.

Now more than ever you need a concrete philosophical system to protect you from the moral and spiritual subversion that is taking place.

BluepillProfessor · 2016-05-21T15:51:34+00:00

Disagree with the premise. Sexual strategy is amoral and has no bearing on your religious or moral beliefs. For Christianity/Judiasm, it is obvious that the Bible confirms everything we say about women. From Eve to Priscella, women are portrayed as usurpers whose sexual beast remains contained only so long as men demand it.

if the supposed god was a benevolent god, he wouldn't have created such a miserable despicable creature as the human female.

I have my doubts about just how benevolent my God really is but His creation of women is very well explained in Genesis Chapter 3. The curse of Eve defines Hypergamy, and the inability of women to be happy.

Dalrock and a number of Christian bloggers disprove any claim that Red Pill is inherently atheistic. It can be- but that is your choice.

2016-05-21T19:10:28+00:00

Theredpill has made you become atheist?

That's only because you've been fed a very bluepill version of The Holy Bible by beta men and modern females. Check out the Old Testament for some enlightening literature.

unptitdej · 2016-05-21T03:27:24+00:00

I was an atheist before taking TRP. I don't take manipulation and bullshit well and that's exactly what religion is. I was lucky to not have been raised in a religious environment so it was a bit easier for me. I'm still pretty sure I would have found my way to atheism either way because for so many things I like to go things my own way. I like to try things and see how it works out. I don't respond to authority and manipulation very well. But the day I really became an atheist was after watching some Christopher Hitchens videos. There are so many types of atheists when you think about it. I feel like the hitchens "archetype" is the most extreme of all : I don't want to live a slave to a dictator in the sky. It's a disgusting thing.

I say that but I'm interested in religions and the power they have to unify and divide societies. I won't go into too much details but I like christians. I think they are useful to us atheists. I also don't think everyone can be an atheist. The fear of death and the belief that the mind is immortal is very strong in some people. If someone is to be religious, it might as well be a christian. It's the softcore religion of the world right now. And it's getting better if I look at what the pope is doing.

I do think TRP and Atheism are connected. TRP is about emancipation from bad parenting/schooling and social programming. Atheism is about emancipation from religion. Getting to true freedom. In both cases you have to free yourself.

redpillbanana · 2016-05-21T11:34:21+00:00

TRP is very much about discarding the social narrative in favor of facts, logic, and evidence.

There's no greater social narrative than religion.

2016-05-21T03:59:32+00:00

Not an atheist, but I'd like to point out that pagan religions tend to be more friendly toward "more natural" ways of our nature. If anything it has helped seal the belief that everything has opposing forces that keep it in balance. Men create, women consume, and many women crave to be subjugated by the all mighty, all seeing, all powerful rock of Alpha- so men continue to provide and represent for them. Also mother nature can be a real bitch, so there's multiple correlations.

slay_it_forward · 2016-05-21T13:59:28+00:00

Trp doesn't disprove god. It has nothing to do with god. Common sense disproves all traditional gods (greek, jesus, mohammed, etc) but no one has the answers to the big questions like, why? Why does everything evolve? Why do we struggle for survival? What is the underlying force?

2016-05-21T03:20:39+00:00

I converted from strong Christian to an atheist long before TRP, but TRP likely reinforced my atheism when I started swallowing the pill. The idea that life isn't fair and humans are just stupid animals.

These were just parts of growing up though. I became an atheist at 15, swallowed the pill at 18. Just gone from a coddled child's view to a realistic view of life.

2016-05-21T18:14:04+00:00

I was an atheist before TRP, but I attribute both becoming an atheist and swallowing the pill to the same critical thinking skill of approaching a topic with as little bias and preconceptions as possible (i.e., thinking outside existing social constructs and brainwashing).

2016-05-21T23:04:48+00:00

Quite the opposite. It did help me to be okay that I wasn't feeling guilty about certain things any more. Not talking about treating humans bad, either, but religious people have a tendency to make you feel guilty about being just a normal person. I'm over that now.

TheDarkTriad · 2016-05-22T01:04:23+00:00

I think the human race isn't intelligent enough to comprehend how the universe came about or what the meaning of life is etc. So whatever that makes me, that's what I am. Don't know if there's a technical term for this or not.

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-05-22T02:26:04+00:00

Study the original hebrew alphabet...

555 - Blue Pill Beta male (Androgyny)

666 - Dark Triad, Dark Luciferian, Machiavellian, Nihilist

777 - Amused Mastery, big picture, Masculine Polarity

http://gnosticteachings.org/courses/alphabet-of-kabbalah/723-vav.html

The problem is that the globalist colonial powers have "absorbed" the religions into their Blue Pill Matrix.

It's all the same Matrix at this point.

Obama and the Pope are on the same globalist team.

The answer is to go to the source concepts (before christianity) and learn the core truths which are essentially the Red Pill.

I call it "learning the Rubik's Cube".

marinewannabee97 · 2016-05-22T10:44:19+00:00

I still believe in a god, although my belief is shaky at best. I did abandon Catholicism many years ago, I feel like many lessons taugh in the new testament do not hold up to today, possibly due to people changing. This may get downvotes, but the old testament, Qua'arn and Talmud do teach some nuggets of red pilled truth. Worth a quick read if you are curious.

Not trying to push any sort of religion on you, so please do not interpret it that way.

2016-05-21T12:09:29+00:00

I was an atheist before, i believe in God now. You are confusing religion with faith.

CrodudeClassic · 2016-05-21T03:42:11+00:00

I was born and raised Christian, though as I got older and more educated I modified my beliefs to fit a more "logical" approach to religion. Not really sure what I'd call myself, but I suppose I'm mostly Pastafarian at this point.

After studying a good bit of astrophysics I've decided that the universe behaves like an extremely complex computer program. But instead of 1's and 0's it's a program made up of tiny strings. Maybe we're all just a thesis project for some computer scientist deity somewhere out there, that'd be kind of cool, right?

Pienpunching · 2016-05-21T03:51:22+00:00

No, I wasnt THAT stupid before TRP

cariboo_j · 2016-05-21T03:25:18+00:00

This is a pretty sad post.

From the educated Christian perspective the red pill is merely a description of the fallen nature of women. Women who do not seek to be virtuous (I mean virtuous according to an aristotelian sense) will end up being hypergamous and disloyal. On the other hand it's not like men don't have evil tendencies too, look at the evil that men can do.

With respect to being anti-feminist (at least in its contemporary incarnation) the red pill elucidates the main temptation of women - which is to seek to become men.

If you really want to engage with the philosophy behind the idea you post you need to do some serious reading on "the problem of evil". I would have thought the existence of Mao and Stalin would be a more serious problem for those who believe in a benevolent God than the existence of women.

rockinhard130 · 2016-05-21T03:17:34+00:00

I was agnostic before subbing to this place.

Red_Swords · 2016-05-21T06:14:36+00:00

To each his own I suppose, but I think basing your religious beliefs off of something like TRP is a little one-dimensional.

I was on the precipice of deism and atheism for a while, but I've settled into a firm belief that there must be some sort of intelligent creator, that's so far above us in terms of form or cognition that it's beyond human comprehension.

I came to believe that more and more the deeper I studied chemistry, and understood the fact that it's amazing anything is anything beyond subatomic particles. I know it probably sounds cliché, but the whole world, and the whole universe is so complex at the macro scale, and all of it's systems, and micro scale, and the way it all ties together to form everything that ever is, was, or will be. There's just something that's so beautiful about it.

I can't say I can prove god exists, so I can't tell you that you should believe, or say that believing in it is entirely rational - but I suppose that's why they call it faith. But knowing what I know now about science, I believe a god exists.

asktrpquestion34 · 2016-05-21T13:55:39+00:00

I was an atheist before I got into men's rights.

Thinking critically about what society tells you about things like religion might also help you to confront assumptions about fairness between the sexes and sexual strategy, but otherwise they had very little to do with each other in my opinion.

I don't think TRP is incompatible with gods or religions. You could easily say that a god made men and women different, or that social phenomenon like feminism are nonsense and obstacles to men and women existing harmoniously or some shit.

I don't think women are despicable. Men and women are more like each other than anything else in the world. Most complaints that I have about women as a whole I also have about men as a whole.

I think feminism has spoiled a lot of women. They expect an Adonis prince to love every of the 200 plus pounds they weigh. I think men have to wade through a lot more shit now than before to find a mate they're satisfied with. I blame feminism more than I blame women.

bountyhunterdjango · 2016-05-21T13:56:44+00:00

"if the supposed god was a benevolent god, he wouldn't have created such a miserable despicable creature as the human female" - sums up the absolute worst part of TRP

uniquevoid · 2016-05-21T15:16:32+00:00

TRP is actually making me more religious

After sharing a lot of time with a muslim friend and reading the Quran, I can confirm that Islam is RedPill.

I will eventually create a post talking about it

dmystery · 2016-05-21T15:42:04+00:00

TRP has strengthened my faith (but it isn't a Christian one). People these days are getting:

a) unhappier (resulting in rampant consumerism and media addiction)

b) less Christian/more Atheist (worship of Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens)

c) more spiritual (practicing meditation/mindfulness)

I believe in a higher being but I share a personal relationship with him. It is personal in every sense of the word and not one that I talk about with others. I do not discuss my sex life with others, so why would I share something as personal as my faith? If I enjoy doggy-style and you enjoy reverse-cowgirl, I'd be stupid trying to convert you to my way of doing things.

I am at college currently and make a point of not frequenting any religious societies or talking about religion/feminism/politics with my friends. I do not identify myself as belonging to any religion when asked because a) it is unfashionable b) it's an easy way to create division between you and your friends c) people will always attack and view you differently afterwards.

Faith shouldn't be about putting on a show, it's about finding a belief system that actually helps you maximise your potential. ("Law 38: Think as you like but Behave like others")

feminists_are_dumb · 2016-05-21T17:55:44+00:00

Atheism led me to TRP. There are lot of similarities between them.

Dat_Chad · 2016-05-21T18:13:32+00:00

I've felt the divine energy a couple of years ago, and it has nothing to do with organized religion. It also has nothing to do with TRP.

KM31548 · 2016-05-22T00:21:28+00:00

Why would you hate a creature following its biological imperative? In the end, what we are doing here is fulfilling our own imperative.

TheRedChemist · 2016-05-22T09:13:50+00:00

I've been a staunch atheist since I was old enough to understand the concept of religion, I was always logical and gods and monsters just didn't make any sense to me. I sneered at religion and thought of the religious as delusional fools. TRP has actually given me a solid respect for religion, having discussed and thought on its role in shaping and maintaining a society - taming the baser instincts of homo sapiens sapiens and turning them towards building something greater than we ever could otherwise.

2016-05-22T11:54:29+00:00

Not at all, but I don't believe in the western package. I have studied and looked at alot of systems and philosophies. The closest one you get to the original teachings are Yogism / Daoism. They are ironically one of the oldest we have too.

The common thread you will find is that we are creatures with potential of becoming something more. If you want to become that next level being you have to create something within yourself. This is usually done through bodily practices. Western equivalent of this would have to be the mystery schools in ancient greece. (Alchemy).

During the peak of eastern philosophies it was considered a massive privilege to be born as a human, because it meant you had the potential to get to the next level.

Keywords:

Wilhelm Reich (too weird for many, but he gets close to the red thread you find elsewhere)
Carl Jung (massive respect for the original teachings left of Daoism, considered them way beyond our current society)
Joseph Campbell (Hero of a Thousand Faces)
William Bodri
Swami Sivananda
Daoism (Neidan Path)
Kriya Yoga
Zen Buddhism

EDIT:

Among PUA's and RP'ers the school of thought is of course the "religion was made to control the masses, we are biological machines". Once you start investigating for yourself you find that the opposite is true. The most hardcore religious figures/philosophies were rebellious as fuck and often hated by the rulers of the time.

Life_Disciple · 2016-05-23T19:06:39+00:00

On the contrary, TRP strengthened my Christian faith. It helped me realise that though I can say and think whatever I want about what I believe in, that belief is dead it I don't act on it. Also, as noted by some members here, the Bible (OT and NT) has some RP moments which helped me see the physical reality of one thing, and the ancient knowledge of the other.

HeadingRed · 2016-05-26T21:29:34+00:00

TRP involves giving up on myths and falsehoods you have been told. It also requires critical thinking skill and the abandonment of magical thinking.

So if you are not an atheist when you get her it's easy to see why the idea suddenly occurs to you.

I was an atheist long before coming to TRP and I think it helped with the "no it can be true!!!" phase.

georgewhiskeyjones · Sat May 21 19:12:51 2016 UTC

being an atheist and thinking you're "red-pilled"

LMAO

BlackJ1 · 2016-05-21T04:21:40+00:00

As others have said, religion appears to be something created in order to keep people in check and control them, so swallowing the pill and still being "religious" isn't something black and white, however it's not impossible.

It just depends on what you take from TRP as it has no implicit agenda or motive. Just a informative place to discuss sexual strategy.

If you take from TRP that having premarital-sex with random women is want you should do then obviously there is going to be some religious problems. (at least for Christianity)

0FO6 · 2016-05-21T05:08:16+00:00

Raised around some seriously over zealous religious types as a kid, I went atheist a long time ago. Over time I adjusted my beliefs to atheist for a while. Now I consider myself a pantheist.

disgruntledearthling · 2016-05-21T11:52:15+00:00

Atheist since birth, so no. My kids aren't baptized - just don't need that shit

goemon45 · 2016-05-22T01:01:11+00:00

I've been agnostic for a while now

ECTD · 2016-05-22T02:18:50+00:00

I don't believe in God because it doesn't offer enough compelling reason. People that do believe typically are indoctrinated and can't see why you wouldn't want to believe since god almighty loves everyone^tm... Find me a religious person and their belief stems from 1. ignorance 2. indoctrination 3. 'habit'.

The__Tren__Train · 2016-05-21T20:22:09+00:00

Kill yourself, you fucking faggot

Entropy-7 · 2016-05-21T06:54:15+00:00

TL;DR:

If you are going to swallow the Red Pill, don't wash it down with a chaser of Kool Aid.
Science has nothing to say about the nature of god, nor anything to say about morality, meaning or purpose.
Specifically, accepting evolution as true does not lead logically to accepting atheism as true.
Atheism is an assumption with no empirical or logical support.
Morality, meaning and purpose come down to a matter of choice.
Atheism implies a lack of free will.
Understand the limits of science and logic.

I attended church regularly when I was young and that was back in the days when we read the Lord's Prayer in school every day. However, I have never been religious. I read a lot, I think about things, I consider the merits of other perspectives and try to figure out things for myself.

I am largely agnostic but I do have a few rules for evaluating claims such that religions and atheism both fail miserably. The choice between an organized religion and atheism is a false dichotomy.

But first, you have to understand the nature of scientific inquiry. It uses procedural naturalism (sometimes called physicalism or materialism) which assumes, for the purposes of inquiry, that there is a natural explanation for observed phenomena. By its very structure, science must be silent on the question of whether a supernatural entity exists because it already assumes that it does not. Saying that "science proves god doesn't exist" is circular logic: it "proves" what is already assumed.

There is another post here discussing the notion that "sexual strategy is amoral". Well, science is amoral too. It can tell you how to build an atomic bomb, but not whether you should build one, and certainly not whether or when you should use it.

Morality cannot be determined with reference to science. Similarly, science has nothing to say about meaning or purpose.

There is a story about a physicist, a theologian and a young child sitting down to have some tea. The child asks why the water in the kettle boils, and the physicist says:

Because the liquid water is turned into gaseous water vapour
But why?
Because the temperature is high enough
But why?
Because the stove element is heating the kettle
But why?
Because the electrical resistance in the stove element converts electrical energy into heat energy which is transferred to the kettle by conduction and then spread throughout the water by convection and . . . . . . .

Etc.

At one point the theologian says "The water is boiling because we want to make some tea."

So morality (right and wrong), meaning and purpose are things that cannot be determined scientifically.

Again, science involves procedural naturalism, which cannot itself prove ontological naturalism, which is the philosophical proposition that nature (the physical, material world) is all that exists. Adopting the latter creates a number of problems.

Foremost is the is-ought problem: you can't figure out how things should be based on any examination of how things are. Secondly is that you can look at the implications of Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem (and I am not a mathematician so I am taking some liberties here) which basically says that a logical system cannot prove itself.

So a logical system that provides answers about morality, purpose and meaning - what should these be - cannot be justified with reference to the physical world (due to the is-ought problem) and cannot be justified with reference to itself (due to incompleteness); there has to be a reference point that stands outside of the both the physical world and logic.

For most people, that means some sort of spiritual world. Different religions approach it differently but the point is that there is something outside of the physical world that governs the rules for what is right and wrong, what is the meaning of life, and what is the purpose of each of us being here.

Rule that out and adopt ontological naturalism, and then you have modern atheism. This creates more problems because any standards come from the people themselves rather than any objective reference point.

About the best you could do is to create an intersubjectivist framework on a consensus basis: a system of ethics, a teleology and a philosophy of meaning. The framework could be internally consistent but could never be proven as true because at least one axiom would have to be either free standing or self referential (ie. circular).

It's a good bet that an infinite number of internally consistent frameworks could be built and there is no way that billions of people would all agree on any one of them, and even if they did it is still an exercise in making shit up.

Atheists, for their part, disagree with 95% of the rest of humanity and then even with each other (fucking Rand and Marx were both atheists). They are making up shit all the time under the conceited delusion that they are somehow more logical or scientific than theists and such. They have base assumptions or hidden axioms or unstated premises in their thinking and world view that are ultimately created out of whole cloth.

By their own terms, their thoughts are just chemical interactions taking place between their ears. Their conclusions are either rooted in biological determinism or a result of random fluctuations at the quantum level. Morality, meaning and purpose, as well as free will itself (including the reasoning process and maybe even reason too) are all illusions.

So it's rather rich when atheists talk about religion in terms of illusions or delusions.

If you are going to swallow the Red Pill, don't wash it down with a chaser of Kool Aid. Understand the limitations of science and logic. Evolution does not inevitably lead to a conclusion of atheism (although it has really put the boots to various religious doctrines over the years). Atheism itself is not more logical than not being an atheist. Your view of morality, meaning and purpose are a choice. If you don't believe in free choice, well that was a choice too. If free choice is an illusion, then none of this really matters because we are either programmed to believe what we believe, or it's all a big Monte Carlo simulation involving random particle decay in your neurons.

Taft_Jackson · 2016-05-21T09:42:05+00:00

I was raised to be a Christian but never believed it, even as a little kid my bullshit detector was going off. Then I was a so-called atheist (once i discovered that was a possibility) for about ten years. After taking a bunch of LSD in college, and reading a number of books (Thich Nhat Hanh is a genius in his own right), I would now call myself an agnostic Buddhist, I guess?

I don't see much of a connection between TRP and religion, because I believe in TRP, (The only thing you can really know is that which you experience). And it is impossible to really experience a so-called "God". Some people say they do, I call bullshit. Our brains are pattern recognition machines, we will make connections all the time between things that have nothing to do with each other. (I know this seemingly contradicts Interbeing, but that's different) But I can see how believing in the evolutionary psychological aspect of TRP can lead one away from Xtian teachings.

TL;DR: Checks out.

sorceryofthetesticle · 2016-05-21T18:45:36+00:00

Evolution, and basically the premise of TRP itself disproves the existence of god as religion knows it...if god really existed or if the supposed god was a benevolent god, he wouldn't have created such a miserable despicable creature as the human female.

Why project your idea of what a god should do onto the god? That's such a weak argument.

Also, the bible is chock full of the 'miserable, despicable' behaviors of women (and men) alike. It does nothing to pull the wool over your eyes. Think about Adam and Eve: Eve gets tricked into cursing humanity with the knowledge of Good and Evil by the serpent. She disobeys God and drags her compliant man into the mess, and then tries to weasle out of it. If that isn't a clear statement about the nature of women (and men), I don't know what is. There is stuff like this all over the Bible. Look up Samson for another easy example.

Okynrom · 2016-05-21T09:26:46+00:00

You're saying that God may very well not resemble what mass-market religions sell us : the mix of a benelovent saviour (Christianism) and a vengeful assessor (Judaism). I agree with you, but this is NOT atheism : remember, Atheists believe that God does not exist and they have to disprove its very existence. You are not doing that; instead, you're positioning yourself more as a "questioning agnosticist".

Personally, I think it is very probable the entity called "God" exists (the probability of something as complex as the Universe popping out of the blue is close to zero), but that it is very different of the Abrahamic meme. The whole Alpha, Beta... thing can be summed up by "survival of the fittest", just as whole life can be ; God is probably more concerned in the evolution of its creatures than their personal well-being, let alone their "souls". At worst a rat lab scientist, at best a very lazy game designer.

Apexk9 · 2016-05-21T03:26:16+00:00

God is balance.

Nature is perfect humans are the virus.

We were created as chaos to balance the nature of tranquility.

I belive in a creater but beyond that it's all unknown.

Title	Has TRP made anyone else become atheist?
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	2
Comments	137
Date	May 21, 2016 3:08 AM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4kbuig/has_trp_made_anyone_else_become_atheist/
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