How Do You Know When It’s OVER?

BetterSelfProject21 · 2021-10-22T14:05:04+00:00

"if you're not atleast 5'9" is was over before it began"?

Sounds like something a blackpill incel on a looksmaxx forum would say. Personally I can't speak for people who might be around 5'0-5'2 but really? I know so many guys who are around 5'5"-5'7" with absolutely beautiful girlfriends.

One of my best friend's is around 5'6" and I can't remember the last time that man was single.

Do some women have preferences? Absolutely. But this idea that people have to fit into some sort of stat sheet to atleast get a girlfriend/get laid is just not true.

Do none of you go outside and see how many men are dating pretty attractive women even though they might be short, skinny, fat, tall, awkward, less-masculine or not very attractive?

You're definitely more likely to find these "requirements" on something like Tinder.

And yes I know OP mentions the "we all have that one friend" argument. But imo, it really is anecdotal evidence vs anecdotal evidence on both sides of the argument.

I'm sure there are studies that prove men with this thing or that thing are more attractive or fit more preferences but it works both ways.

Almost every guy I know likes some big tits and ass but will still date a pretty girl without the two.

4ktx · 2021-10-22T16:18:16+00:00

You're looking at shit like a beta.

The minute you feel the need to compensate is the minute you lost the game. Most women are sitting at home doing nothing. Living boring lives, posting what ever highlights they have of it to the gram.

Penis size matters

Height matters

looks

Bank

Status, everything

When you put everything into consideration, the perfect man doesn't exist. You will never appeal to them, stop trying to appeal to them. Does any of that matter when you have an abundance mentality?

If she says you have to compensate, put her ass in the friend zone.

That's the type of man that gets girls.

Stop trying to fix yourself, when they are insecure themselves.

troy-X · 2021-10-22T07:41:15+00:00

'Fixing' autism is almost impossible if you didn't realize early on in your life that something was very, very wrong with you. Your only option is to build a strong masking game (ideally paired with a good sense of humor), and you might be able to function in society at the cost of permanent depression and anxiety :) Just last week, my arms were twitching because I hate it when clothes touch my skin, and two (female) students in my class asked me why the fuck I was doing that, I told them that I didn't even know myself and stopped looking for answers a long time ago, which really made them laugh. There's no escaping the sperg 100%. Embrace it, and find a woman who's not too bothered by this side of you. I can promise you that they exist, but you have to put in the work in everything else that is under your control, and do your best to keep your sperg bouts in check in social situations.

redvelvet_oreo · 2021-10-22T16:36:00+00:00

5’5 here.

No issues getting laid.

Have I failed the “midget filter” - Yes.

Has it hindered my results with women - No

Being short is not excuse for not getting laid.

Get in shape, get good at game. That’s all you need.

Stop with the black pill bull shit.

I have seen plenty of jacked tall guys, fail miserably in the field because they has 0 game. Looks aren’t everything and less so with women. It plays a factor buts not the only factor and it’s not the most important factor.

Onus is on you.

mothersspaghettos · 2021-10-22T08:58:08+00:00

Throw in some neck training too bois

Amund_Jaeger · 2021-10-22T08:40:55+00:00

‘99 Bezos looks like what you’d find if you look up beta bucks in the dictionary

whatsthisgarg · 2021-10-22T04:49:18+00:00

That was brilliant. One of the best posts I've read on here in a long time.

I have one thing to add, ironic, because the above post was funnier than hell: Sense of humor. in my opinion, this is the number one reason most of these jerks can't get laid or even close to it.

And I'm not saying "be funny" ("like a clown? do I amuse you?") I'm saying know how to talk like a normal person and pick up normal social and conversational cues.

Go to a bar or a party, what do you hear? People laughing, and it's not because they are telling jokes, it's because that's what banter is. It can be only be learned by observation and participation, apparently, and if you can't do that, Game over!

apestogetherDIAMONDS · 2021-10-22T08:08:15+00:00

There's some truth to this post, but not all of this is as simple as it seems. I know a lot of short guys that pull a lot of pussy. Why? Because they don't give a fuck that they're short. "I'm short! Oh no!" Who the fuck cares? I don't. I'm 6feet3inches and I can see that my height is an advantage, I've heard that it's an advantage, but that's all it is. An advantage; don't let your height define who the fuck you are.

Andrew54321 · 2021-10-22T21:53:06+00:00

Its 2021 and yall still struggle w getting laid???

Listen gents, if you were the sluttiest ho, would you fuck you? If not then there’s shit that needs sorting. Mostly self-esteem type shit. Lift something heavy. Holy fuck.

Sharmanix · 2021-10-22T09:24:37+00:00

Thanks man, I am Indian (not got an accent though/ I'm in the UK so its not as big of an issue due to the larger Indian Diaspora here) about 5'6 and I've got a small dick (3 inches). For the longest time this crippled me and really played on my mind.
But lately I realised, I can't actually do shit about changing these factors, I can't grow taller or make my dick magically bigger. Is it OVER though? Fuck no.
In the past three months I've quit drugs, alcohol and sugar. I've gone onto a Keto Diet, eat only one meal a day and I fast every Sunday. I've dropped at least 10 kg. I've started weightlifting and doing an hour of yoga every day. I've also just decided to stay away from relationships and sex for at least a year, I need to prioritise my mental health and my spiritual development.

So, despite my disadvantages that I can't do shit about, I focus on what I can change.

Pharmaki · 2021-10-22T07:56:44+00:00

Reads the post, checks how much 5´9 is in cm. 174, phew. 😂

harstelino · 2021-10-22T07:27:42+00:00

It's only really over if you're not a man.

Or like paraplegic or sth lol

631_Exuberant_Bias · 2021-10-22T17:05:39+00:00

I was a depressed, mentally ill Chad musician/poet as a kid: don't get near a therapist from 20-26 if you fit this bill. Just listen to those Smiths records, brood and roll with that shit. Hipster and artsy women will flip their shit over this, not kidding. You might not get the QUANTITY that a sane Chad will get, but you will get QUALITY as per women wanting to fix you and mother you. Sit at the bar, drink that beer, brood away, my man.

"People just don't understand him!"

"He's not a loser HE'S AN ARTIST!"

Dated nothing but top tier level hipster, punk and goth women by being like this. If you go for Stacy cheerleader types, it might be a no go, though. Despite what Black Pill guys tell you, 18-25 year old women are actually quite nice (if you fit the part).

Final_Biochemist222 · 2021-10-22T14:25:15+00:00

I’m 5’6” and haven’t had a ton of trouble with women, but shit did go dry for a while. I’m in a ltr, so the dating shit doesn’t effect me, but starting to work out again and losing some of the “dad bod” weight, has improved the attention I get in public. You’re completely right with having to compensate for the height thing though. Some social skills and a great sense of humor, has helped drastically. I highly recommend improving those for any guys around my height, along with being in shape.

pappo4ever · 2021-10-22T16:36:03+00:00

I have a perfect example of the difference in being tall or short: My brother is almost like me, same age as me, but 6'3. I'm 5'7.

I have a PHD and have lots more money than him. We are both autistic assholes regarding women, though.

My brother, like me, was terrible with women when he was young. Then suddenly he started fucking all of the girls we know, all of them. Not even he could believe it, he has zero game. That was short-lived though, he got married to a model very quickly and he's happily married and has beautiful kids. He don't know what TRP is and will never know.

Me, well, the fact that I post in this site should give you an idea. Dating girls was always hard and I would get either crazy or horrible girls, the bottom of the barrel. If for some accident I managed to date a good girl, she would leave for a taller guy in months or weeks. It's the same with all my short friends. Tall friends are all married, they don't stay single for long.

Yes, TRP helps a lot with girls, I'm in shape have money, etc. girls that not are obese or over 45 just can't go past the fact that I'm short, and I'm basically a stop-gap until they get a 'real man'. Thats life, I'm no virgin in any way, but lets say life is 'easier' if you are tall.

319Skew · 2021-10-22T05:14:42+00:00

All around solid post. Truth and humour. Great stuff. Disagree with the last point though.

If you get depressed from time to time that's fine since life's not always about being constantly happy, but striving to remain depressed to pull is moronic.

Also while some women love to bang a "broken" man or fix him, that's only if she's already attracted to him. Normally, women (generally people) are more drawn to the guy who is the life of the party and is outgoing and full of energy.

Not many women would want to are drawn to a guy roleplaying Droopy.

JamesSkepp · 2021-10-22T09:18:41+00:00

Beta Skull Shape: Small Penis: Bald/Balding: Facially Average/Ugly: Being Asian or Having an Indian Accent in the Mid Atlantic USA Lack of V Taper: Short:

Game > all. It's just that most guys complaining about "modern women" are "modern men" who are in the same exact predicament as women: attention span of an ant, inability to commit to long term reward/shot term pain, inability to prioritize, severe addiction to and identification with online identity. They don't want to put the work in, some guys do but then they don't want to wait - and in some cases it can take years to get to the place they want to be - so they just give up before they start.

Severe Social Anxiety:

99/100 this is used as preemptive excuse not to go out and try to seduce women, even in the BP sense. This is basically Approach Anxiety taken to the extreme and instead of being an actual anxiety to be broken through - falsely used as a "condition" that prevents any success. The occasional, real 1/100 example is just the guy not being shown and trained in the correct behaviour: go watch any dog behaviourist channel - these guys can take the most sever cases of unsocialized, fearful and aggressive dogs and turn them around in ONE day.

Depressed:

I used to think depression isn't real and people just use this as excuse to wallow in self pity. In reality is... it's true. The actual condition of depression has been demonized and blown out of proportions so much that people are actually somatizing the previously non-existant or negligible effects. It is physically/biologically impossible for the "depression" to somehow make you completely unable to lift that weight, to go outside, to talk with people, to get a job done.

Autism:

Doesn't exist in any larger numbers. For the most part it's misdiagnosed b/c modern doctors can't really go outside the box and figure out what other explanation for the supposed "autism" can there be. Most of the "autism" is simply behavioral maladaptation to the modern world that is full of stimulants, but it's also full of the magic pill shortcuts to dopamine - and that combination leads to non-standard behaviour patterns - but the standard behavioral patterns are not correct either and thus the doctors use incorrect understanding of the rules to explain the non-standard behaviours. Wrong dataand wrong understanding leads to wrong conclusions. On top of that add the lack of proper socializing mentioned earlier.

My theory is that an overabundance of testosterone and DHT directly leads to baldness

Any amount, not overabundance. The amount of DHT is (mostly) proportional to the amount of T b/c you can't have one without the other. Another thing is how much do each body respond to it's effects. Some people need to take a lot of Fin and other things to get effects, some people don't need much at all - thus it's entirely likely you can have low T/DHT and still start losing hair.

so women can subconsciously sense that bald = high test.

If this was true then women would sense that balding = increase of the testosterone, which would be reflected in their behaviour, but we know it's the opposite.

My theory on why is not that bald=more attractive. I think that bald=more aggressive, more dominant, more willing to break "polite social behaviour". Think about who shaves his head, as in cultural stereotype ingrained since prehistory, it was warriors, soldiers. But - in the context of modern society - it's the people who, by direct or indirect choice, reject the cultural norm of "looking normal" - these people are usually are dangerous (criminals) or are perceived as dangerous as they don't look like the tribe and don't care about the tribe and people who don't care and have nothing to lose are universally perceived as dangerous ("i look like i'll fuck you up b/c i don't care about consequences as i already accepted that i dont fit in, so i dont care")

GayLubeOil posts = instant downvote brigade

I've been looking at this for many years now so here's my take:

Nobody is downvoting GLO more than usual, people are just not-upvoting GLO as much as they did in the past. I think the amount of people who are anti-GLO by default (regardless of content of the post or comment) is more or less constant since around 2015-16, at least here on TRP. It's the amount of upvotes that decreased, for 2 reasons. First is the quarantine which cut the upvotes roughly by half (based on my own observations and on an obscure anti-TRP/manosphere/alt-right study about effects of reddit censorship), secondly GLO's content isn't as outrageous as it used to be, not in the post-truth, post-trump, hyperpolarized internet. What GLO wrote was "radical" or outrageous in 2015 when he trolled people to join T_D, currently you can go to any other anti-mainstream website and instantly find front page choke full of even more hardcore anti-mainstream stuff.

As for the brigading - if anything it's the GLO's followers that are doing the brigading, GLO did and still does tell them to go and upvote his posts (which is also an indirect invitation for downvoting anyone who criticizes GLO). He did that on the trp.red tribe 2-3 years ago, he does that on the telegram channel now. You can clearly see the effects in his recent posts with ton of one liner "this is great" comments. It's indicative of people not engaging with the actual post since they don't have anything reasonably similar level to say about it, or build from it to expand on the original idea. It's classic token support you see in any ideology that doesn't go anywhere without external forces pushing it (in this case is GLO lending his name to other authors, its the brigading, its the smurf accounts, generally system gaming attempts). This is the exact thing you see in real world where people who publicly profess their deep support for feminism or environment protection sign an online petition that has zero impact on anything b/c having a list of names in a text file is not real change.

Prostitution posts = instant upvotes

2 things at play here: the black pill mentality you mentioned is one. Second one is the women's fault - what do you call a girl showing her butthole on onlyfans for 9.99? How far is that from actual prostitution? I get that her having sex for money is 2 levels above just showing a naked picture for 10$, but that's not about the actual sex act. It's about crossing the line - namely it's about openly admitting that women use their sexuality to gain resources/money, it's about openly displaying that women really do exchange sex for money. It's about ruining the BP fantasy of finding "your girl", it's about taking the covert contracts of the past and making them overt, it's about dispelling the "women are special and wonderful" illussion for the entirety of men, even those men who actively support the "you go girl" butthole revolution in one way or another. The queen really is naked, and it turns out there's nothing special about her once you take a look.

The long term consequnce of this is going to be people getting more blackpilled but some portion of them will gravitate toward taking action the becoming the proverbial top 20%, and that people are going to be even more valuable as the internal competition inside the Top20% (the only sexually desirable category of men) will increase, which will further make the Top20% even more attractive.

Ethman2k9 · 2021-10-22T15:33:33+00:00

Dude I’m 5-7 1/2, I’ve gotten to at least second base on more than half the first dates I’ve ever been on. Particularly on swipe apps. Never mention my height before or in my profile. The average guy in the USA is 5-9. Half the population is under that. 25th percentile is 5-7. Girls don’t give a shit unless they’re abnormally tall. Ie they want you to be taller than them. If she wants you to be taller than her in 4 inch heels, skip it, she’s a bitch and you’re better off. Honestly you guys are fucking yourselves over with self doubt 10 to 1 over a girl actually rejecting you over your height. Less vain ie better girls actually care less about this than bar floozies to so consider it an idiot test. Get out of your own damn head, go hit on a girl and fuck it if she rejects you, it isn’t worth another MINUTE of your time thinking about why. Fuck it, fuck her, go hit on another one. Optimize yourself otherwise - lift, grooming, fashion, masculine confident attitude and roll. (Finances and status you do for you, not for her 😉) Seriously, this doesn’t even come up anymore. Maybe I get rejected for that reason occasionally but I wouldn’t know.

PimPedOutGeese · 2021-10-22T11:07:17+00:00

I find it hilariously ironic that I was thinking about this yesterday on the way home from work and then up pops a post a like this.

In a group with a bunch of hardcore black pill men that swears nothing works unless you look good. And then here I am, and a few others, that are older with a little more experience telling them it’s simply not true. As I’m driving home from work I was thinking I’d never admit it to those guys…. But a part of what they say is correct.

‘00-‘10 all you had to do is pretty much know how to talk to a woman. Spit a little flavor in their ear or something they might not have heard before and the panties dropped.

‘10 - Recent days you can still use the same tactics but not all the women know the same things once pick up became mainstream. Except now we have all them men (kinda) saying the same things… what’s left for them to choose from? What male is more distinguished than the next? They have to almost initially go for looks these days.

To be fair with men and women it’s always been looks first… but with women if you make their heart pitter pattern they can put that away for a while. They still do.

But enough about women… let’s look at men and why the trend will continue into ”black pill” territory.

Men are becoming fatter and it gets worse every year. 76.4% of men back in ‘18 were overweight/obese and the trend is stated to continue to rise. Is there any question why women are looking for the top 20%? The bottom 80% is FAT!

Masculinity is toxic and even though Jordan Peterson may disagree we are absolutely becoming a feminized society. Women aren’t attracted to women… they are attracted to men. What makes a man? MASCULINE TRAITS! You know… strength, courage, independence, leadership, assertiveness, all the things that women are saying it’s oppressive. If only a few select men are oozing masculine traits… is it even a wonder that women want the top 20%? The bottom 80% are cucks.

Single mother’s and daddy government is in full swing and they don’t co-parent well. Weak men being raised by women that have no knowledge about being a man. Or much if anything if we are being honest… besides how to lay on their back, pick the wrong man, and financially screw the one that gave you the kid. Oh… and this all started just about when feminism hit full spread in the 60s-70s. Now you know when men say why they want the 50s back. We all know the crime statistics of single mothers off spring. Again…. Weak men raised by single mothers… what woman wants to date that? (Except Pookie and Ray Ray… they love them some Pookie and Ray Ray).

This shit has gone on long enough. My point is men are complaining about the dating market and, collectively, we put ourselves there. The solution is become the top 20%.

It’s not difficult… Just GET IN SHAPE and you win.

RetractElm · 2021-10-22T17:21:36+00:00

Damn fuck this self improvement shit then I’m going back to playing video games and smoking weed all day

Ethman2k9 · 2021-10-22T18:53:11+00:00

Another Thing. I have a friend who'se 5'3. He had a hotter girlfriend than ALL OF US in college. Chick was a legit 9. Beautfiul personality, blone hair, blue eyes, perky nipples, the works. Great girl. Married a guy about 15 years older than her which gives me hope for us all. Anyway a lot of this too depends on your community. If you're Jewish, Asian, or Indian - your average height is significantly lower. 5'5 might be AVERAGE for an Indian and 5'2 might be the 5'7 of white people. So it's not the same across racial groups. Also for the Asian and Indian guys - girls in your own race are going to go for you more than white girls. And vice versa. Same with all tribes really. Men working blue collar jobs are gonna do better with country girls than hipster computer programmer girls, Etc. The point is. Chicks care a hell of a lot more about WHO YOU ARE and WHAT YOU DO AS A MAN than they do about some checklist bullshit. OP needs find his fuckin balls.

AshyLarry27 · 2021-10-28T15:12:13+00:00

Disappointed OP, as an EC, attempts to criticize the overwhelming Black Pill wave by pulling up a dump truck of black pills to dump all over the place. Men come here to learn how to get laid and how to improve their overall life. This doesn't help. It reinforces what we already know, and contributes almost nothing to the forum. Just another post to reinforce to people this place is dying out.

I guess i'll go tell my 5'7 jacked friend who has already fucked 8 girls since the start of the summer to stop it and just quit, because some stranger on the internet actually thinks "its over" for him. Can we actually go back to posting "relevant" and "substantive" content again instead of pretending to be edgy to get some clicks on a post. I would expect this from some little shit new comer who just finished the side bar. Not from an EC . . .

HeungMinSwan · 2021-10-22T12:47:07+00:00

i think you saying anything below 5'9 and its 'over' is a bit of a stretch. guys who are 5'7, 5'6 at the lowest will still be fine with asian girls and latin girls as they are short af compared to western girls. also asian guys and latin guys average much lower than 5'9 so for those guys they should be encouraged to go for these races.

however, i do agree that with western girls its extremely difficult to get a chick you want if you arent at least 5'9. but then again, those 5'7 guys could wear 3 inch boots and be 5'10 easy.

PatternEast7185 · 2021-10-23T17:44:31+00:00

i dont rly come here anymore becuz red pill philosophy has too many normies now..

but i want to defend how prostitution is gaining more favor... i think the reason is that with tinder/onlyfans/divorcitopia, i think a lot of guys are wondering if there rly is even much of a difference btw a hooker and a modern young chick.. yes i'm sure there are still some hot love stories out there, but even those can end now - men are seeing that in majority of cases, there is no happily ever after... women rly have reduced themselves down to sex objects, despite men wanting to believe that women have virtue as people. the economics have changed so it does imo make more sense to start thinking about women in terms of risks and rewards now.. the period where love was meaningful for its own sake might have ended in the last ten years or so.

Chard-Far · 2021-10-22T19:30:21+00:00

If this is an EC post, this place has truly gone to shit.

Zeeblackbaron · 2021-10-22T18:17:31+00:00

Prostitution posts = instant upvotes

I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again, prostitution is the future of male-female sexual relations. Allow me to present an analogy to segway into why:

Running game these days is like trying to mine Bitcoin today. Back in 2011 a shitty $300-500 laptop could CPU mine thousands of Bitcoin in a month because barely anyone heard about Bitcoin. Then Bitcoin’s popularity started to grow. Around 2013-2015 you needed a rig full of 4-6 high-end graphics cards to get the same results that you did in 2011 with a $300-500 laptop. The mining difficulty continued to increase. Today, you need a very expensive farm full of power-hungry ASICs do get the same results. I’m sure by 2030-2035 you’ll need a farm full of super-expensive, power-hungry quantum computers to mine lots of Bitcoin in a year. These days, you’ll get richer mining cheap altcoins than you will Bitcoin (or even Ethereum at this point).

Game has followed this same trend, albeit a little slower. Back in 2000-2005, when game was still mostly an underground concept, a player could run simple techniques and rack up lots of lays easily. Then as game material started going mainstream, more guys started getting into it and the difficulty of getting laid progressively rose. Today, every dude in his 20s is trying to run game and the difficulty (much like bitcoin mining difficulty) has skyrocketed while the rewards have shrunken. The techniques have gotten progressively more insane, complex, clownish, and looney.

Meanwhile, the majority of men hate on prostitution and view it as “beta”, even though it makes getting laid with 100s of smokeshows in a year a simple 1-2-3 step process. It’s like driving an electric car vs a gas car; yes the electric car is more expensive, but you don’t need to do fluid changes, ignition tuneups, deal with leaky gaskets, etc. I’m sure that as game progressively gets harder, more and more men will begin looking for alternatives.

Eventually, prostitution will follow the same trend that game has followed and be seen as cumbersome once sex robots start going mainstream.

TitsAndWhiskey · 2021-10-22T23:03:14+00:00

This place has entirely gone to shit. Not you, OP.

But in general. Y’all are here because you realized you were being lied to. Now you want to demand that we lie to you so you can feel better about yourself?

Wtf is even the point of that? It’s like we’ve regressed to silly PUA bullshit because that’s what sells.

What fucking retard is so obsessed with some meme about skull shape they saw on Twitter that they need to come here for reassurance? Well, grab your blankie, because I have some bad fucking news for you. If that’s you, I can promise that your phrenology ain’t your fucking problem.

Back to the basics. Y’all need to work on you for you. Stop lying to yourselves. Be the kind of man your grandfather would be proud of. Fuck bitches, get money.

light5577 · 2021-10-22T23:23:14+00:00

I dont believe post like this

tradsouthernmale · 2021-10-22T23:29:28+00:00

Basically true, but one doesn't need a V taper to lay women. And penis size is irrelevant, unless one has a true micro-penis.

kmderssg · 2021-10-22T23:30:47+00:00

You went too much on the other side.

It's over for people below 5'9? Yes, the difficulty curve is a negative exponential curve below 5'9 - but I would say you really start having problems starting 5'7 or 5'6.

It's over for Asians/Indians? I lived in two of the states you mentioned, and I get 20 matches/day with at least 1 super-likes on tinder as an objective 7/10 Asian man - yes, I'm taller/richer than average, but my profile doesn't show that. What you're saying was maybe true in 2000's - not in 2021.

Everything you're saying are valid difficulty modifiers - but they aren't as drastic as the post makes it seem.

keepthingsbelow · 2021-10-23T04:32:50+00:00

I am from Indian state of West Bengal. Here, facial beauty does matter. Otherwise, I wouldn't have any chance at all. Research suggests women don't like artificially made physique. They get attracted to natural tall, dark, hank figure. I don't know about US. But, it should be much different.

Salty-Application-97 · 2021-10-23T17:41:13+00:00

It's true that height is an important factor. But in general men are taller than women. So any man can find himself a woman out of the pool of shorter women than himself which makes things true at my point of view.

But as a man of 5,9 I can say that the height factor is enforced by the fact that I know what my height is. Otherwise if I'm still confident and accept this fact, it is still an insecurity, but much less. But it can be fixed by a good body language and communicative skills, body and that's it. McGregor is a good example.

People on the inner level choose those who look like them, you probably noticed that. So it would be strange if a tall girl would choose a short guy. They just don't fit. But yes a tall guy can choose a short girl. But still there is an interest in people who resemble each other not always physically.

But as a man of 5,9 and 73 kg without fat I can beat a 6,5 inch man's ass easily and normal people don't easily handle an eye contact with me.

We should accept things we can't change and change things we can change. Especially things like attitude.

So yes, technically it's important but other factors should be taken into consideration.

RStonePT · 2021-10-24T11:49:02+00:00

oh sweet fuck lol.

shittyfuckdick · 2021-10-22T18:07:37+00:00

I agree with the height thing. I’ve been lifting everyday making good gains and make over 6 figures. I still can’t seem to get a girl and I can only assume at this point that it’s due to my height or face.

I’m also 5’9” which is the minimum you recommend. I think this number is actually at least 6 foot.

L3onard3 · 2021-10-22T22:20:33+00:00

LMAO at all the serious responses to this post 🤦‍♂️

amwfhunter · 2021-10-22T23:03:17+00:00

My brother is 5'7, East Asian, married a gorgeous 5'9 Croatian girl. They have 2 kids together. For as long as I've known him (all my life), since we were teens, I haven't seen him single for too long unless it was by choice. He always had some girl. I'm 5'11, in some ways I think I'm better looking than him but he got just as many girls as I did when he was single. I probably get more beautiful women than most guys in general too. So nope not buying this over shit...it is over if you're butt ugly and a real piece of shit.

DrunicusrexXIII · 2021-10-23T01:39:33+00:00

I'm 5ft 7.5 and I've had girlfriends since I was 14 years old. In western NY.

WhoSweg · 2021-10-22T07:33:03+00:00

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futuremillionaire01 · 2022-01-21T02:03:50+00:00

I’m 20, 6’1, white/tan, bench 135, 208 lbs, work out 3x a week, and have been learning TRP for months. I should theoretically be getting laid. Granted, I’m still overweight, but not very obese, and even my crush said I looked good. I’m also mildly autistic and extremely frustrated. I’ve lost 78 lbs in 3 years and plan to lose 20 more lbs. I fear that won’t save me w/o more improvements in my social skills. Me and my crush initially got along and hung out but I became too needy very fast and things went downhill.

Thankfully, I learned TRP and turned things around temporarily. I fumbled the football by running weak game on my crush, being too reactive, and losing my frame. I thought my crush was s*** testing and messing w/ me but she ended up going out w/other people that night, just not me. I was throwing negs at her & using push/pull but couldn’t control my frame. I felt so defeated and have not gotten anywhere since then. I’ve gotten a few attractive matches online but I’m so frustrated. I genuinely want to improve but I’m pulling my teeth. The black pill is so toxic, please comment your suggestions y’all!

DD5002 · 2021-10-23T03:10:41+00:00

Oh dope so I just need the v

FinancialThanks1 · 2021-10-22T16:50:05+00:00

Look at any low smv characteristic that you can’t/won’t change as an opportunity to display elite inner game

Zech4riah · 2021-10-23T15:39:39+00:00

Even tho I don't 100% agree on every point (not gonna nitpick regarding small details), I think this was a good wake up call post - sort of a tough love style of post.

I think you nailed a new point of view regarding height. Guys bitch about being short but if you are below 6ft, it's easy for you to fill up your frame with muscle. As a 6'2" natural, it took me about 6-7 years to fill up my frame properly with lean muscle and even tho I lift 4-5 times a week in addition to certain sports these days, I only maintain my muscle mass. I bet it becomes quite hard for guys 6'4"+ to keep that frame filled with (lean) muscle (without juice) - atleast with average muscle building genetics.

PS. Down votes for GLO posts has probably not too much to do with black pill etc. He just writes shit these days altho his personal writing are better than those collectively written autistic waste which try to compensate lack of consistent thought with unnecessarily complicated metaphors and conspiracy narratives.

justgotalpha · 2021-10-24T20:17:31+00:00

Is this post for real or op is trolling?

ChrimsonChin988 · 2021-10-25T15:52:36+00:00

I'll share some of my personal experience because quite a few of these were issues for me as well in my teens/early 20s.

I was tall. But the skinny/lanky type. Unattractive yes. Eating more in general but especially protein and lifting helped out tremendously. Started pumping iron at 16 yo.

Face looked like shit because of acne: accutane fixed it within 3 months.

I have/had light autism/social anxiety. I don't know what label is most suitable and I stopped caring long ago. Took me years of focus on how people interact in social situations and becoming more confident in my own skin to 'fix'. Nowadays I don't ever feel 'left out' anymore. Although I still realize social interactions are different for me. Like others here mentioned, initially you start 0-1 behind but if you put in the work you come out 'ahead' of normal people because you develop a better/more intricate understanding on certain social dynamics and spot details.

Statistically speaking, to almost everyone apply at least 1 and probably even 2 of the points OP mentions. To the average guy probably 3-4. All you can do is work on the points within your control and fix those. You will never be 'perfect' and don't need to be to get good results.

If you are an Indian with accent, have small pp, 5'5, heavy autism and fugly head you can complain and I won't say shit. But 90% of guys that complain are just making excuses and rather be soothed by other lazy fucks rather than putting in the work.

JohnZoffman · 2021-12-05T18:25:03+00:00

Im quitting finasteride right now

BigDino1 · 2021-12-17T04:43:36+00:00

What if you’re an Asian/Indian American living in Texas?

How Do You Know When It’s OVER?

Intro:

Is it Over?

Valid Concerns: When it’s Over Before It Began…

Common Misconceptions: When Is It NOT Over?

Comments

Title	How Do You Know When It’s OVER?
Author	ForeverKarlMalone
Upvotes	170
Comments	135
Date	October 22, 2021 4:21 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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