Learn from my experiences: Lesson 2 "The right amount to NoFap"

Cyralea · 2015-01-12T18:18:32+00:00

NoFap addresses a real issue, that is, looking for a quick serotonin rush instead of fixing the underlying problems. It does it in a very heavy-handed fashion, the same way stone-cold sobriety works for an alcoholic.

In my opinion most guys would be better served with LessFap. Once a week, get the worst of your urges out, focus your time and energy into chasing success instead.

Same benefits, less dogma.

aguy01 · 2015-01-12T17:31:33+00:00

I've played around with nofap for about a year and a half, my longest streak being about 6 months. I've read a ton of information on the subject as well.

There are two issues that nofap attempts to resolve:

Excessive orgasms, and excessive stimulation via porn.

The seven day testosterone study has been debunked. It appears that cumming once every 15 days is optimal. Studies have shown it takes androgen receptors up to 15 days to peak after an orgasm. Testosterone is generally unaffected, but the receptors that make it usable decrease. In actual practice, when you have plates / a gf, I cumming 1-3 times a week with an occasional 1-2 week break has been pretty comfortable for me. I frequently have sex and hold back the orgasm. Only cum once a night with a girl, but fuck her many times more.

In terms of porn, cut it out completely. It has no positive effects at all. It wires your brain differently, and it in no way enhances your desire for real woman. Watching women on a screen, with less than life-like resolution and frame rate, and unnatural camera angles / zooms, is very different than actually fucking a girl. If you want to jack off, do it to fantasies of actually being with a girl - kissing, holding her, playing with her tits and ass, and fucking her the way you actually fuck her in real life. When you cut out the porn your dick will be harder at the same arousal level, and the girl will absolutely notice this. The porn is the bigger problem. Try looking at porn for a while without cumming, and you'll see that it gives you the same feeling of depletion the next day even without ejaculation.

Edit: Don't go longer than 15-20 days of no orgasm. It causes you to 'flatline' and lose the ability to get aroused. For me, I stopped nofap after 6 months because I was hopelessly impotent, and I needed to get my libido going again. Sex did nothing for me. Don't fall into that trap.

riffraffisliffraff · 2015-01-12T17:52:21+00:00

NoFap is kind of like Dane Cook; Dane Cook is a good comic, but his fans are fucking insufferable. NoFap is a sound practice - the practice of semen retention has been around for centuries. But NoFappers or Fapstronauts or whateverthefuck ruin the concept by evolving their entire existence around not touching their dick.

Most of them don't have a problem with masturbation - most of them have a problem with their sexual shame that infects them to the core. A lot of them are religious and anything sexual, especially self-pleasure, is a BIG FUCKING SIN, and they have this massive dissonance between their upbringing and "their" supposed morals, and their natural biological male urges.

A great deal of them have low testosterone - either naturally low, or low because of lifestyle/no exercise/bad eating habits/video games every day. They've never gotten attention from girls so they think that's natural, and therefore they hamster an excuse to not try. When they start doing NoFap and their T levels start to raise (even just a little), they feel the natural effects of testosterone (confidence, more energy, confidence, muscle gains, confidence), and they immediately consider NoFap as a Magic Cure-All Pill.

And then to add to all that, I'm sure there's some sort of psychosomatic response to reading all of the NoFap dogma. A regular dude with normal levels of T finds NoFap, starts reading, reads all about people with ED "curing" themselves, reads all about the "superpowers" that people get, reads all about people saying "when i was fapping, i was a loser"... and this puts the belief in their head that "If I don't NoFap, all of this bad shit will come true", and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now that guy walks around thinking he can't talk to women unless he doesn't jerk off... but I jerked off yesterday, so obviously I will have no chance with that woman because of this pseudoscience I can't prove.

At least this is what I got out of that sub after a couple years of experimenting with it. The people NoFap is really set out to help are literal masturbation and pornography addicts. It's just that WoW neckbeards found it and made it into a religion.

This isn't to say that 95% of men in the world won't benefit from semen retention. Any man who doesn't jerk off for a week should feel the benefits of higher testosterone. But most men also understand balance. Jerk off too much? Unmotivated loser. Jerk off never? Take the cloth.

Jerk off two or three times a month. Find balance. Go outside. Fuck NoFap.

disorderly · 2015-01-12T16:49:56+00:00

I had a similar experience although I lasted about a month. I remember walking into a grocery store and eye fucking this cute girl walking past me. That's when I knew something had changed. Still, it is easy to get used to the positive benefits. When I finally relapsed I felt like shit the next day and that made me realize how beneficial it really was.

NoFap is a good thing as long as we refrain from making it dogmatic. If you want to rub one out, rub one out. No big deal.

McDurden · 2015-01-12T17:28:15+00:00

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pcadrian · 2015-01-13T01:23:22+00:00

You forgot to talk about the best part of NoFap: the amount of cum that you can shoot 5 feet away.

Masonjarteadrinker2 · 2015-01-12T17:56:09+00:00

I typically do 8 days and damn I have a boner all day on day 6 to 8, I feel wayyyy more confident though and once I do fap I feel pretty let down because of my lack of self control

Grainslol · 2015-01-12T18:51:07+00:00

Models - Mark Manson nofap schedule is schedule a fap day once every two weeks and you're only allowed to think about women who you have met with have not fucked yet. I'm trying it as of Saturday. And don't grip so hard.

It was kind of awkward with my ex because I was addicted to porn before I met her and all I cared about was fellatio.

SeekingTheWay · 2015-01-13T11:50:23+00:00

I am in NoFap and I find that if I don't get myself a pussy/mouth/ass/whatever aprox. for 14 days, I just release it in a wet dream.

I was experimenting with lucid dreaming when I was teenager so I kinda know how to recognize if I am in a dream or not and I must say my subconscious has made it very tricky for me lately. Like I try to confront the girls I would be about to fuck in a dream that this is in fact a dream and boy, are they persuasive.

It's amazing what you body can do to you...

HellhoundsOnMyTrail · 2015-01-12T17:55:02+00:00

Semen retention has been used by the East for a long time, especially in Taoism. I forgot where I read it but the Taoists recommended an ideal 2 week cycle for ejaculations. And I've read in studies on testosterone in the west, studies seem to agree with that and testosterone becomes harmful after that 2 week period. The reason guys on /r/nofap go into depression around day 20-30 when they're 'rebooting' is that their body needs the renewal of an ejaculation. Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. Good post.

monsieurhire2 · 2015-01-12T18:02:32+00:00

It always amuses me at all the hysteria directed at "NoFap," as if it were some sort of pseudo-science.

Abstinence and sublimation have been used by religious orders for thousands of years, but then the idea of monks practicing an applied science, albeit a soft one, will make the doctrinaire, rigidly ideological "scientific" atheist's head explode.

At the very least, masturbation consumes your time and energy. You spend nervous energy arousing yourself, whether with pornographic aids, or with your imagination. I can definitely say that pornography can cause the imagination to atrophy to the point where it becomes difficult to sustain a fantasy in your head.

Also, refraining from something pleasurable is an act of will that reaffirms your control over your body, as opposed to letting your body dictate to you that it is horny and wants to be jacked off when it feels like it.

Anyway, the "science" behind NoFap may mostly be applied psychology and placebo effect, but as long as it works for you . . . who cares?

Time is a precious commodity you can't get back, so by only masturbating once a week, you're freeing up a few hours to do other things.

Axotl · 2015-01-12T17:50:34+00:00

It's far more effective just to avoid porn and related NSFW media. The effects of abstaining from masturbation are grossly overestimated, while the effects of abstaining from pornography are tangible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

Watch this for a better understanding of the effects of porn on your sexual abilities.

NeopolitanAfterglow · 2015-01-12T20:37:50+00:00

I don't think it's feasible for me. If I go more than 3 days, I'm literally sitting at work all day with a boner unable to think about anything but sex.

sweatynut · 2015-01-13T03:45:25+00:00

Ever since doing nofap I have not missed a workout. This reason alone is why I never fap.

ChildOfTheLostTribes · 2015-01-14T17:35:09+00:00

I'm NoFapping until my pied is cured.

NeopolitanAfterglow · 2015-01-12T20:44:14+00:00

Nofap is a religion. This thread proves it.

crazydave1979 · 2015-01-13T02:33:34+00:00

This no fap is the silliest nonsense I've seen on the internet.. If you guys need a test boost then do a few more sets of squats.. Last time I went a couple days without my body took care of it for me in my sleep..

juanqunt · 2015-01-13T03:40:33+00:00

Fixing your diet, sleeping well, and exercising will do way more for your test levels than no fap ever will.

I haven't looked into it too much, but does jelqing really work for penis enlargement? Some of my bros swear by it, but suppose it works, then that would mean that you could potentially lose size if you do no fap for too long. If you don't use it, you lose it. This is just a hypothesis and I don't think legitimate studies on this exist, but I think this is a reasonable possibility. If there's loss though, it could be a very small loss. Let's say you do no fap for 30 days and lose 2mm of girth; I don't think anyone would really notice it... maybe there is some data by people into that cuckold chastity device stuff? Intuitively, I think nofap is unhealthy for your penis and comparable to using chastity devices.

Title	Learn from my experiences: Lesson 2 "The right amount to NoFap"
Author	musicvita25
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Date	January 12, 2015 4:04 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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