Let's Talk About Being 30+

tuxidomasx · 2014-10-13T19:56:09+00:00

Turning 32 in a few months. Also had the frat boy college experience, throwing the parties, groupies, etc.

The kicker is that once you graduate and leave that microcosm of the real world, you can't keep that social value. So my 20s after college was pretty dismal with a boring average office job in the suburbs. Involuntary celibacy and porn addiction, then a 4 year LTR with a career-focused woman. I had bad nutrition, got chubby, developed poor posture, left my job, moved back in with my parents. I might've tried to get married if my value wasnt so low my gf moved away and dumped me (in that order).

Found the TRP at 30. Started lifting, started a business, worked on my nutrition, traveled to China and Europe to get my travel feet wet, moved into a loft in the middle of a city. If all goes well, I should be making well into the 6 figures very soon. My plates range in age from 19 to 24. I think I've been with more college girls now than when I was actually in college.

And due to the lifting and nutrition, I look younger than I did in my 20s! I certainly don't look like my 32 year old peers who live a sedentary lifestyle.

All I see ahead is continued improvement and achievement. I really feel like I'm just entering my prime and my value as a man will keep going up now that I've figured out the rules. My opinion is that you can definitely hit a stride in your 30s, even if your 20s was crappy.

(Its interesting how many of us have similar experiences. Very cool!)

sadshark · 2014-10-13T21:58:50+00:00

Let me tell you my short and interesting story that began 9 months ago when I broke up with my 5 year GF and discovered TRP. I am 29, and will be 30 next summer.

Since the break-up I've had more sex than I had previously had in the past 28 years. All the girls I've fucked and spun were ALL under 23. I have a cardinal rule that I NEVER break, regardless of how retarted it may seem to some, especially my friends. I never fuck or give a chick over 25 any of my time or attention. They become crazy at that age and start hamstering hard when they see all their friends getting married and having children. They're no longer fun, they're no longer passionate, they are HUNGRY, and not in a good way. But that's a topic for another post, back to the topic.

I've had sex with all ages in the past 9 months. From 17 to 23. Was age ever a problem? Nope, NOT a single time. Did I get shit-tested for my age? Of course, every single time. I maintained frame, treated them like a child, spanked their ass and moved on. I even sometimes get shit-tested by my peers for 'not dating my age' (read my FR from a few months back when I was with a 17 year old girl). I difuse these shit-tests the same way I would if they were little children. Deep down they would love to bang that hot 19 year old laching so close to my arm, but they hamster how they are 'better' than me for having a soon-to-hit-the-wall shell of a woman. Why do I say "shell of a woman"? Because by that age they loose almost all their passion, their sponteniety, all their feminity and become 'old'. And we, as men, we LOVE youth and we feed on it, at least when it comes to sexual conquests.

Now, back to the actual age, the actual number. It's absolutely irrelevant as long as you don't let it affect you and your frame. As long as you don't give a fuck they won't give a fuck either. As long as you don't act like an old fart, you won't be considered one.

As cliche` as it sounds: Age is just a number.

If I heard this phrase before, I would've considered it male hamstering, but my unapologetic sucess and experiences in the last 9 months taught me differently. Age is truly just a number, and it only affects you if you let it affect you.

All my friends got married, I mean ALL of them. They stay indoors, they became lazy and fat, they are literally waiting to die, they are shells of their former selves, of their former 'beauty', former drive, creativity and fun. They stay in that life while they see me drowning in a sea of pussy, and whenever we rarely go out they sit and absorb my stories of banging this and that chick, doing this crazy thing or that stupid shit. I see regret in their eyes and then they turn to stories from their 'youth' when they used to do these things as well. IM AS OLD AS YOU, MOTHERFUCKERS, WHAT FUCKING YOUTH?! I'm doing that shit NOW, what's your stupid excuse?

So, I've slowly started forming a new social circle of guys with like-minded attitudes. Most of them are 24-26, I'm 29 and the oldest of them. Now, understand that these guys are all at the top of their game. One has a business that he started from scratch, another has a VERY high paying position, another one is a freelancer and has been since 16. They are not the 'frat boys' that get drunk from kegs until they pass out. They can afford going out, taking trips, and so on, just like I do. What I'm trying to highlight with this ramble is that you are as old as the people you surround yourself with. You can have a circle of 30+ age old men that do young shit and you will be the soul of every fucking party, every fucking club, and any social interaction. AGE IS JUST A NUMBER.

Now, back to me. I'm a skinny dude. Not skinny-fat, but skinny and muscular. I may be wrong here but I believe this is also a trait that makes men look younger. I almost always bring up the age with a new female just for kicks and to prove to myself that it's irrellevant, and not a single girl in the last 9 months guessed my age correctly. They all assume I'm under 24. And then I tell them I'm 28/29. You know what their response is? "REALLY?!???" with a look of surprise on their face... and that's it. Everything else moves forward like it used to before they knew my age.

Let's put it in another light. As we, men, are biologically attracted to certain female traits REGARDLESS of all the fat-is-beautiful movements, that SAME WAY females are attracted to certain biological traits in men REGARDLESS of their age. That age, that number, is a social construct that's irrelevant when it comes to women's tingles.

Let's assume we never 'invented' a number for age. Let's assume we are still living in a tribe where nobody knows eachother's age. Do you think the 35 year old alpha male would have any difficulty fucking all the women? Nope, he's still in his physical prime, he's still the leader of the tribe, and can still easily produce the tingles. That's all that matters in the end.

Bottom line. Keep yourself high-value and as long as you are in your physical prime you are immune to this stupid social construct. Don't be fat, have your shit together (car, house/appartment), afford to live the life you couldn't when you were 19, and act as if you're 20 but with more maturity and responsability. This is a thin line. There's nothing more disgusting than a 30 year old man acting like a frat boy trying to fit in. It sounds contradictory, but act 20 while still being 30.

I know that eventually my physical prime will start its downfall after 35. Then it will probably be harder to bang 23 year olds but equally easy to bang that horny 19 year old. However, I will NOT be able to form a relationship with that 19 year-old. On the other hand it will be incredibly easy to form a relationship with any 26+ female should I choose to at some point.

Continue to improve yourself and your game and you will ALWAYS be banging females 10-15 years younger than you.

4_YRT · 2014-10-13T19:31:06+00:00

I''m 33. The interesting thing about being 30+ and in an environment, like a corporate office, where everyone is late twenties and over, is that your really start to wear your life-choices on your sleeve. You can really learn a lot about a person by how they look, how they move, what their morning routine is like when they get in the office at 7:00 AM, etc. If you've spent your late teens and early 20s partying and abusing your body, you can see it clear as day after you hit 30.

the_red_scimitar · 2014-10-13T21:39:26+00:00

Age difference is a real thing that many have resistance to. I somewhat regularly date women half my age (occasionally younger - yes, still legal, cuz I'm that old). But really, most young ladies are still running on the baby clock, and don't see even an alpha older guy as viable for that.

Except... that some do, and even look for that, without it being a sugar-daddy arrangement (which I don't do).

But why does one HAVE TO overcome that resistance? Working too hard on that is evidence that one doesn't have an abundance mentality.

Right now or in the past month or so, I've dated women from 23 to 58. And yes, I'm talking repeat dates, not just first dates. All very good looking ladies, and very different from one another. I frankly don't find that many 20-somethings have much personality - most have led very sheltered lives, and their life-experience is limited to school, friends, family, some fucking around, and all of it in a very safe and controlled environment. Most are just out of college and punching around for what they should do now. On the other hand, they have huge plans, and get stuff happening around them (except for the majority that don't, heh.)

When I'm with someone much younger, I'm with them without shame. I never get age-shame, from anybody, because my own attitude won't allow it. I am there 100%. If you will cringe about anybody's bullshit reaction to the age difference, then people will sense that and give you shit. When you walk in, calmly confident as always, people may have their thoughts, but they won't express them.

Frankly, the whole "I'm 30" thing is beta nonsense. It's hunting for an excuse for one's failure, and nothing more. What you say about getting oneself in order is totally true, even when you have another 20 years on you.

Guys - go live life. Stop worrying about which age group or specific girls you didn't win with. Take care of your own improvement, continuously, and the rest of this will fall in place with just a little trying.

vengefully_yours · 2014-10-14T01:40:26+00:00

Wait, some twatwaffle is saying I'm a loser because I fuck girls in their twenties when I'm mid forties? Saying I need to have had awesome college sex because I won't get young girls later?

Sounds to me like some afc is trying to shame us older men because we pulled his bitch, or some older beta afc tried and failed miserably. If we can pull tail half our age, it means we worked on being the kind of man who can when he's older, instead of being a lower that couldn't get laid in his twenties and has zero chance after forty.

No fucking way am I going to only fuck bitches my age or close to it. Fat, single mothers who made poor choices and ended up alone? What the fuck would I want with a serial divorcing wrinkled and saggy 45 year old? I like fucking twenty something thin girls, not bitches twenty years past their best by date.

Put in the work now young guys, build the muscle, build the career, build an interesting life, build yourself to be the man you want to be. I did, and now I can fuck girls half my age and get the blue pills and feminists to call me a pedophile, as if a 22 year old is the same as a 7 year old. Just mad because they look like shit and I don't.

IllimitableMan · 2014-10-13T22:52:49+00:00

Aging is a bitch but I'm still smashing 21 year old pussy and I'm nearing 40. It just depends. Life is complex and at every stage there are different challenges. Don't worry so much about it but keep your body and mind in top condition (working out, checkups, regular dental cleanings, reading, studying, pursuing a passion, etc) because shit adds up. A car well maintained and cared for will go 200k+. A car you beat the shit out of and treat like ass will fall apart. People let themselves go in their 20s these days if not earlier. It's not pretty. Follow a good regimen and you can go over 200k miles without missing a stride :)

RedPillSafe · 2014-10-13T19:21:26+00:00

I'm 53 years old and I'll agree that 35-40 years old is a man's peak.

For me my hair started to turn gray at about 35. From 35-40 I would color it to hide the gray, but by 40 I just let it go. It's now about 50%/50%. (but at least it's most all there)

Keep in mind that everything starts to go off from the ideal. Even when you continue a very healthy lifestyle and exercise regularly the body doesn't recover as fast, so you have to rest longer between workouts. It's harder to maintain muscle mass. It's easier to put on a spare tire. Your vision can decline. Etc, etc, etc...

By 50 years old you start to realize "hey, maybe I have 20 years of good health left" so things change with age.

If you are 30 and want kids you need to get on that NOW because even though you are capable of doing it at my age you just would rather continue being free.

Being single as you get older is SO GOOD that you will avoid relationships because you don't want the hassle. It's the opposite of what the Feminists say that we get lonely... it's more like "content".

So if you ever plan to go LTR with children that should be your focus.

You know the drill:

Young
Virgin (or close)
Good Family

...see if there are any around. (good luck with that)

__ROOSTER__ · 2014-10-13T19:19:44+00:00

I'm 49 and haven't hit my peak. I completely disagree with the assertion that 30 is the peak, 40 isn't even.

The stuff written about peaking is justified with online dating site stats, which has many , many flaws associated with it. It's also written by guys who can't imagine being 50.

AntixD · 2014-10-13T20:06:50+00:00

In my 20s, I was just a guy working all the time and it wasn't until I turned 27 that I got ANY significant female attention. The higher your pay, the earlier it can happen for you. And yes, read books. Get into interesting hobbies. Meet interesting people. That's all admirable but if you don't have the money, you're just a great conversationalist.

It's mostly about the money. It's all in what you do with your money all those years that you're invisible. Save it. Don't worry about a relationship, much less having a girl move in with you and have your baby. And if you don't have one, for the love of God, I implore you to not feel down about not being in one! You have a great opportunity to be somebody if you don't let your dick get in the way. Think with the big head, not the small one!

EmperorAurelius · 2014-10-13T23:36:31+00:00

I'm 31 and I've only recently discovered the redpill/manosphere lifestyle. I sometimes wish I had discovered it years ago, as now I feel that I'm far behind. Alas, as long as I'm still alive I can make changes for the better.

PorqueChop · 2014-10-13T22:16:09+00:00

I like to say "I may be sexist and racist, but I'm not an ageist" and follow up with, "I fucking love asian bitches"

alpha_i · 2014-10-13T18:34:55+00:00

I'm about to turn 32 and my SMV keeps going up with age. Like you, I was somewhat of a "big man on campus" (in a frat, etc.) in college but then struggled for a few years after college, unknowingly playing the part of the beta chump thinking it would attract women.

I started my own business at age 29, shortly thereafter found r/seduction and then later TRP. Also began lifting recently, and the confidence boost and attention from women I receive from all of the above has been incredible. I have had no problem pulling younger women in recent years, but the biggest obstacle I face now is opportunities to meet them. It's been especially difficult to get in the same social circles as college-age girls, which is the age group I'm most attracted to. I have been invited to help start a business mentorship group for current undergrads at my alma mater, so that should be a good foot in the door. That starts in a couple of weeks and I'm going to spin it into good social proof with the girls in the group.

[deleted] · 2014-10-13T21:59:35+00:00

Women look at you differently. They see you as potential settling-down-material rather than a hamster wheel.

tepper2 · 2014-10-13T20:44:53+00:00

I'm 30, in the best shape of my life, and only getting better. I'm going through a pretty dark patch with my business, but I will prevail. My goal is $500k revenue in year 3. $1M+ in year 4.

I've always had pretty respectable SMV, but I slacked in my late 20s. I realized that most of my 20s was spent drunk and partying. I'm over it. Time to ignite the boosters on the SMV rocket and just. fucking. go. hard.

Women come and go, and most of them are in their early-mid 20s.

Life is looking good. And it's only going to get better.

flplatespin · 2014-10-14T04:22:30+00:00

Age is really just a number. My current two plates are 22 and 20. I am In my early 40's. The main thing is working out hard, showing high value, and the IDGAF attitude.

I banged another 22 year old and a 23 year old aspiring model earlier this year. (Aren't they all aspiring models lol). I have gotten much better at handling their shit tests. I really just look to escalate and hold frame. It is really empowering to not give a fuck about women.

All of you younger guys have a golden opportunity to change and take advantage of the red pill methods to handle women and life. This stuff really does work.

duglock · 2014-10-14T00:33:43+00:00

I'm mid-30s. At this age the sex game difficulty level is set to easy. A single man with a descent job and no kids makes it pretty easy to get laid. I've only fucked 2 girls that have been over the age of 24 so it isn't that I'm not putting standards into play. I'm not saying this to brag but to answer your question. I put zero effort into this since right around 30 - all you have to do is show up and hold frame.

SgtBrutalisk · 2014-10-14T02:30:11+00:00

The way I see it, there is no other way for a girl to experience the true ripeness of manhood without dating someone 30+

The shaming part is just par for the course in our anti-men society.

mbillion · 2014-10-14T04:58:45+00:00

I think you miss the point. It is not that at thirty you turn into some golden man child. At thirty certain benchmarks are happening for most men that make them wildly attractive to most women.

You are still youthful, fun, fit, spirited and many lack any super serious responsibilities still - however, you have culture, you know what you like, have a social network etc etc.

I am 29 and I see my age now and the next year ahead of me not as some tipping point in which women will say holy smokes he is thirty now, I look at it more as hey look at all the cool stuff I have and do and look how comfortable I am in my own skin.

Its not some transition its just something that happens, you start to grow up, and a little maturity in a man can be pretty attractive I guess

xiko · 2014-10-14T14:48:46+00:00

Im 30 and my plates are 20-22-22. When ANYONE tries to shame me I answer: "It her body and she can do whatever she wants with it."

It is great to see their heads exploding.

MrMagwitch · 2014-10-14T01:51:11+00:00

tombreck2 · 2014-10-13T18:59:09+00:00

My biggest issue is:

I for one am not ready to resign myself to Saturday nights in sweatpants watching Netflix while a chick fast approaching the wall

I've lost 6 friends to this in the past year. It's becoming annoying because I have to spend a lot of time making new male friends and it's hard to find TRP type men.

fnordsnord · 2014-10-13T22:52:40+00:00

At 50 I find that 20 something's have no interest at all. I do most of my fishing in with the 40 something's, although I still seem to be able to pull 30 something's on occasion.

stillnoturday · 2014-10-14T07:15:14+00:00

LOL reading this "I for one am not ready to resign myself to Saturday nights in sweatpants watching Netflix while a chick fast approaching the wall shovels ice cream down her throat and talks about plans to pick out curtains all day Sunday."

I was like this guy gets it.

JamesRoscoe · 2014-10-14T07:32:36+00:00

I see that I am not the oldest one here. I can tell you what some of the other silverbacks here have said. 30 is quite a long way from when you "peak". I think peaking is relative from man to man. If you peak at 30, and you are male, I can only say that just because it takes longer to do certain things, does not mean it's over. I routine date women 20 years my junior. Do I get into relationships? Definitely, but at my point in life, these are always on my terms. I wish I had the internet back in my day. Some of the things you fellas are learning here, we oldsters had to learn by trial and error. I will grant that the women were different back then too.

kingofpoplives · 2014-10-13T19:16:34+00:00

I've noticed a lot of comments in threads lately about whether being 30+ is really the peak SMV time of your life that Rollo Tomassi famously laid out in his male vs. female SMV chart.

I think this really all depends. If you have a strong career and make an effort to cultivate game, a unique personality, and self mastery, these things will coalesce in your 30's and you will be a far superior man than in your twenties.

If you are a loser without much going for you, and you don't do anything to change that, in your 30s you will just become an old loser -- even more pathetic.

I for one am not ready to resign myself to Saturday nights in sweatpants watching Netflix while a chick fast approaching the wall shovels ice cream down her throat and talks about plans to pick out curtains all day Sunday.

I will gladly die alone before subjecting myself to such a fate.

Is there anything particular you've been struggling with? More importantly, how are you planning on continuing to kick ass?

I turned 30 earlier this year, and this was probably the first year I fully committed to not give a fuck about any form of societal expectations to "marry", "grow up", or otherwise conform.

I have become immune to social shaming and expectations, and this has freed me to pursue my personal goals without internal conflict. I know that no woman will "save me", and that committing to one will likely make me miserable. I've had enough women in the past that it's hard to really get too excited about them anymore, and I think this is a good thing. I'm able to take what comes my way, on my terms, without attachment. When I see warning signs, I can let go and avoid the emotional turmoil.

Getting older is a good thing if you use your time to accumulate experience and skill, but if you fuck around and waste your time and energy it bites you in the ass that much harder.

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RAGING_ERECTION · 2014-10-14T15:05:42+00:00

I started the path of self improvement at 22 when I finished University (and before I discovered TRP).

It's quite simple, I divided me life into 3 main categories - Career / Finance, Health / Fitness and Relationships (both sexual and other). The idea is that you will be constantly improving in these areas at ALL times.

I'm 25 now and I have accomplished a LOT in 3 years but it wouldn't be immediately obvious at first. Like bodybuilding it's more a very large number of small changes over a long period of time.

It takes years of discipline, diet and commitment to sculpt and build your physique.

It takes years of studying and working hard to become a master at your job and get promoted.

It takes years of social interaction, dating and relationships to be successful with women and friends.

I'm never going to stop. I will be improving all these areas until the day I die. The rewards that you get from this are nice, but the journey to get them makes it all worth it.

ThousandTruths · 2014-10-14T21:57:27+00:00

24 is your peak. Everything after that is pretty much downhill. Hair starts falling out. Testosterone lowering, etc...

Artemisnotfowl · 2014-10-13T20:31:30+00:00

I am an early 20s male who is hitting his mid 20s soon and I was the one who made this massive post about men who missed out on sex growing up being damaged. IMO, I feel like men have a lot more flexibility when they get older and potential to get with a lot more women than they did in their high school and college years. If a guy has his shit together, I think he can own it in his 30s and I have seen it for myself with guys who do amazing with women.

That said, here are the points I was attacking and trying to talk about.

If you miss out on sex growing up (high school and especially college), nothing you do as an adult will make up for that empty hole in your past. You will turn into a manchild because you missed out on sex during peak years. Even as a college graduate, I see it with myself. When I was in a fraternity and getting laid a lot, it meant something to me because my brothers and I would share stories of our lays. You were young, you were supposed to fuck, you had all night to party, no responsibilities as a college kid, and you were in a community full of those your age. When you grow into an adult male, those opportunities tend to disappear. Sex has lost its novelty.
As you leave college here in the US, making friends and forming social circles becomes a lot more difficult. People work, people have responsibilities, everyone is trying to make it, and the opportunities that existed in college are not there anymore.
It has been confirmed on here that as an older guy, you can't really get college girls with ease here in the US that many would have you believe. As a 21 yr old guy, if you had a high enough SMV as a college student you could get a night in bed with that beautiful sorority girl in a college town but as a 30 yr old guy, no matter how high your SMV you won't be able to get with a hot sorority girl in a college town. I use sorority girls as examples because at my university, the hottest girls were in sororities and being a frat boy myself, they only went for 3 kinds of guys: athletes, frat boys, and very popular college students and rarely were these guys above the age of 23.

As a 20 yr old college student with good looks and some status (which I am not because I finished college) in a college town, I have a better shot with a lot of the sorority girls at my university than some 30 yr old guy with good looks who is rich but doesn't go to that college. You have some limitations in terms of women, a 21 yr old guy can do amazing in a college town or big city while a 30 yr old will have to stick to the big cities and fail in college towns. This has been confirmed on TRP btw.

Yes, you can get attractive women in your life at 35, 45, 55, and so forth but your options are not as grand as say a 21 yr old with a high SMV. Now obviously, most guys have a higher SMV at 35 than 21 so they do better in their 30s because they figure it out by then.

Most of the times, your looks will fade. You're not Brad Pitt or some famous actor, a lot of men start balding as they hit their 30s and keeping a nice body is a lot harder than it was in your early 20s.

It's not that you can't get a lot of sex, as a matter of fact you can get more of it in your 30s than you did your 20s, but it's just that it doesn't feel the same. Getting laid as a college kid while others your age are getting laid feels amazing compared to getting laid as a 35 yr old while others around your age are settling down and having kids. The novelty has worn off and some things just aren't the same as they were when you were younger.

I am hitting my mid 20s soon and I slept around a lot in college. Right now, I am in a relationship with a beautiful girl around my age and we have done so much together. The idea of sleeping around has worn off for me and a lot of my brothers back in college. I don't find anything wrong with guys who want to sleep around at all and why shouldn't you if you missed out on it growing up? The fact of the matter is that when people hit their 30s, the whole casual sex and sleeping around thing doesn't have the appeal it did when they were in high school, college, or their early 20s.

Source: I have talked to a lot of 30+ yr olds both online and offline.

Title	Let's Talk About Being 30+
Author	DukeHollywood
Upvotes	156
Comments	110
Date	October 13, 2014 6:14 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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