MGTOW and why I did

Zammyk · 2014-08-05T17:41:12+00:00

I feel you, man. I myself am slightly younger than you and a MGTOW as well. I work out, I'm tall, and I'm decent looking. Yet despite all that, I have no interest in pursuing women and doing anything with them.

The reason people like us get flack for it is because we stand out. How many 20 something year olds do you know of who can resist the urge for pussy? Not many, and that's why people think that there's something wrong with you, when the opposite couldn't be any more true.

Anyway, going MGTOW is also good for you should you want to start some kind of a relationship as you will unlikely be clingy or desperate, thus dread game and just general 'I don't give a shit' attitude would come easy.

Props to you for not buckling under pressure. Keep it up.

throwawaymuffeater · 2014-08-05T19:05:24+00:00

I disagree with whoever said having women around is good. They are emotional vampires and will sap every second of attention and emotion from you. Most of the people on TRP just want to get laid. If theybwere already getting laid, even as a beta, most of them wouldn't bother reading it. MGTOW is something I think every man should try out. Learn to love yourself and not need other people to be happy

DISMANTLE5 · 2014-08-05T17:22:36+00:00

Never understood why MGTOW always had (has) negative connotations around here. It's simply another sexual strategy. And what's more, you're focusing all of your energy into your mission, and only your mission.

MGTOW is a highly sensible method for removing yourself from many societal shackles.

MGTOW are surely just 21st-century monks.

laere · 2014-08-05T18:02:54+00:00

Every one has different goals in life, I think that if you believe strongly in your values then maintain frame, even if people here give you shit for it.

Society has conditioned guys to think that being married is the biggest goal a man can accomplish and there is nothing of more value on this planet. They're gravely mistaken.

bama79rolltide · 2014-08-05T18:29:32+00:00

"I got to the point where I felt like she conditioned me to do these things."

When you are blue pill, the pussy is so overvalued, that you are willing to be Pavlov's Dog in order to get it.

Nice recovery.

ComradePsycho · 2014-08-05T19:24:14+00:00

I'm a MGTOW myself. It started off with depression and anger, but now there's peace. Reason has come with a clear head and I've decided it's my best option.

TRP gives some MGTOW flak because we decide women aren't worth any effort at all, or rather we don't place a lot of value on sex if we choose to have any at all.

Sex is just another drug when you think about it. The "need" for it people talk about is pretty much the same type of "need" one feels for some sort of addictive narcotic. You won't die from a lack of sex.

Sexual energy is by far the most powerful driving force on Earth, MGTOWs just decide to use it on other things.

2014-08-05T18:54:15+00:00

I find it strange when people are dependent on others for happiness. I really think everyone should have a portion of their lives dedicated to themselves and their own happiness.

I see most people either stay with their high school sweetheart or go from relationship to relationship with only a few months between. They feel hurt for a while, get over it, find another before they've had time to be single and not recently heart broken for a while.

There's nothing wrong with eventually settling down, but you have your whole life ahead of you. No need to rush to the end goal.

usku · 2014-08-05T18:27:14+00:00

Part of the flack the MGTOW gets is directly related a lot of first stage anger that is still rampant among many of the subscribers here.

MGTOW is regarded as stated earlier as a losing strategy by those who don't yet know better.

recoveringdeleted · 2014-08-05T19:00:01+00:00

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DarkSayed · 2014-08-06T02:04:25+00:00

I'm a 33 year old MGTOW. Had my fill of crazy bitches, no more of that thank you.

I've never been happier. MGTOW is the most liberating thing that has ever happened to me. I look at my finite time on Earth, and I just want to live and enjoy it. Happiness and contentment for me comes from achieving things: in my career, learning new stuff, having new experiences.

I cannot imagine the hell some of my married friends are living through being tied down to someone they don't want to be with any more.

As for women, what do I get out being in a relationship? What do women offer? nothing apart from sex.

Niemamnick · 2014-08-05T18:46:32+00:00

MGTOW is simply the most alpha lifestyle there is.

You basically decide to focus on yourself. You thrive, and become a better version of yourself.

PUA's and pussy-obsessed RPer's are less alpha because they derive value solely from what women behave like towards them.

Ganadorf · 2014-08-05T22:07:24+00:00

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JohnGalt316 · 2014-08-06T00:33:52+00:00

you should see how upset women get when they realize i don't want to get married.

"how dare he become a doctor and refuse to give half his shit to a woman"

t21spectre · 2014-08-05T23:11:16+00:00

Give the pseudo-MGTOW route a try, pick up chicks at bars and have "casual relationships" aka Fuck Buddies. No dating (dinners, coffee, etc.) LTRs, marriage, etc. Spend the rest of your time working on yourself, doing what you love, and making yourself happy. I ascribe to this, and at 30 I look at the men around me and the whole marriage and kids thing doesn't look that great at all. Most of the guys I know lost the fun adventurous part of themselves, they are an indoor cat now, looking out the window at the life they could be living, full of adventure, traveling, sex, and freedom, something they will likely never have again.

2014-08-06T00:53:30+00:00

"we are a generation of men raised by women. I'm starting to wonder if another woman is really the answer we need." - Tyler Durden: Fight Club

TheReason13 · 2014-08-06T01:30:58+00:00

Celibacy? Trust your old buddy Reason on this one. My introduction to RP philosophy was through MGTOW, they are far from celibate. They exercise self control and self preservation, and avoid western women. They quell their urges at brothels, foreign women or internet porn.

MGTOW's refuse to interact with western women based on the power any women has to strip a man of his freedom and financial independence in modern western society. They are the intellectuals of the manosphere and concern themselves with philosophical and political matters on a strict red pill basis. They focus only on self preservation, knowledge and the wealth and comforts it brings. To risk this for a woman is just not worth the effort.

MGTOW's view women as spoiled children with ICBM's as playthings, and the power to launch them at a whim. They treat western women with extreme suspicion, and seek sexual gratification from foreign women, the nearest brothel or computer screen.

MGTOW's value the knowledge that comes with game, but view PUA's with disdain. They see the effort exerted by PUA's as a waste of male potential, near supplication, for little to no reward.

MGTOW's reject, boycott and expose all forms of control, propaganda, political correctness, chivalry and conformity. They employ a no nonsense passive resistance stance. For example, ignoring and withholding assistance from women in any form of difficulty, from being murdered, raped, assaulted to struggling with a heavy bag.

MGTOW's believe that direct resistance to feminism and political corruption is counter productive, and as the solution is a counter intuitive one. To withdraw from all social forms of control. Rejecting marriage, paying as little tax as possible, boycotting the products and services of corrupt governments and corporations, rejecting and withholding resources from western women, rejecting and demoralizing all forms of chivalry, then sit back and watch the world collapse.

gt35r · 2014-08-05T21:34:02+00:00

I think the trick is to get a not give a fuck, and live your life the way you want it. Especially when the culture around you is one of the most despicable, lame, and apathetic ones that has ever existed in all of human history. You do not need to participate in the system, nor do you need to continue it. MGTOW is one of the only reasonable responses to the cultural and legal climate, it's look at is all and saying, IDGAF.

I think people wrongly assume on here that being MGTOW means you can't date or run game. Which is as foolish a sentiment as saying all a PUA wants out of life is sex and nothing else. You can date, game, and do whatever to your hearts content. You just simply recognize the great need to put yourself and your interests first. And if that means taking breaks from dating or not marrying, then so be it.

cashmoney_x · 2014-08-05T22:05:41+00:00

Hell ya man, it's an amazing life choice. 3 years in and I am truly happier than I have ever been. No "fooling myself" either; I'm not one to do that- if I don't like my lot in life I confront it head on with action. I literally have zero urge to go back to blue bill land.

Hirudin · 2014-08-06T01:45:06+00:00

It's surprising how fast you can turn your own life around if you get a little bit selfish. Always watch out for people preaching about altruism, because chances are they expect to be on the receiving end of your selflessness.

mighty_mogomra · 2014-08-06T06:25:50+00:00

As for women, what do I get out being in a relationship? What do women >offer? nothing apart from sex.

All I can say is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVzp4MJRKHc

I am a fellow MGTOW and subscriber to the Red Pill section of Reddit.

If you are interested in knowing more about MGTOW, I would start with the MGTOWHQ forums. It is a very active relaxed forum with informative and humorous members with a wealth of information to share with their readers. It is also moderated by the former mods of MGTOW Forums.

As far as relationships go, I spin plates (One Night Stands,etc.) and don't bother with anything that could lead to a Long Term Relationship, Living Together, or Marriage. I've had two long term relationships in my lifetime and found them both to not be worth it from my end. I call this "the Bruce Wayne lifestyle" or others may call it MGTOW level 1 or 2. Most MGTOWs, I think, are at this level.

As many have stated, you can still interact with women as a MGTOW. The question for you is the same question you would ask yourself at a casino before placing bets: "How much am I willing to risk?" Once you have an answer for this, plan your life around it accordingly.

One of the most important aspects of life is to enjoy it. This is a MGTOW philosophy as well.

Good luck.

icyhot39 · 2014-08-06T00:09:22+00:00

If some of you haven't seen this rant by Bar Bar on youtube perhaps it will show some insight into the mindset of a few of us MGTOW-ers. The rant at 4:40 might annoy a few PUAs here, but it's legendary.

mgtow4ever · 2014-08-05T20:35:54+00:00

Its amazing what you can do when you start thinking for yourself instead of whats expected of you driving your actions, whether they are Societal and or biological. I knew TRP a long time ago and a MGTOW just as long. I just don't frankly care about caring or wanting about the Traditional norms.

HalfysReddit · 2014-08-05T23:03:20+00:00

TRP is a no-holds-barred discussion on sexual strategy and gender differences.

MGTOW is simply the opposite approach to the same problem - not caring what the reality is and just doing what makes you happy regardless.

In a way I wish I was MGTOW. I desire sex too much though to give it up, I'm not proud of that but it's part of who I am. I imagine it would be very liberating to not be controlled by a libido or feel the imagined necessity of a romantic relationship.

HahahahaWaitWhat · 2014-08-05T23:38:22+00:00

it's not natural to not want to get married or not date anyone

Yes, because natural is always best. Other things that aren't natural include the buildings we live in, almost all forms of transportation, and certainly modern clothes and makeup. So, when they're willing to give all that up to live in the woods and gather berries and nuts for food -- 100% natural, baby -- then their concerns about your relationship status can be taken seriously.

HermitOnAJourney · 2014-08-06T00:38:02+00:00

Don't forget that there are levels to MGTOW.

The main difference between RP and MGTOW is how active they are in pursuing for sex.

Both seek self-improvement, which differs from person to person.

Personally, I do think that self-improvement includes learning how to deal with women.

Btw OP, I do think you should've posted this over at /r/MGTOW

ogalvan · 2014-08-06T06:07:30+00:00

Not only that, but I can almost sense a bit of jealousy when I tell them about all the things I've been doing. I buy things for myself, I enjoy vacations by myself and I've overall learned that yes, I can be happy with just myself.

I told some post-wall woman I worked with that I had gone shopping for a new computer (I made more than her) and she asked me half-jokingly when I was gonna take her shopping. I just laughed in her face. She later tried setting me up with her younger friend who already had 2 kids. No thank you.

2014-08-05T17:41:33+00:00

You went from one extreme to the other. Being your girlfriends dependent little bitch (no offense) to totally ridding off women and dating altogether. It's good to remember you can be content with yourself, but having women around is good. You should learn how to handle women as opposed to staying away from them entirely.

kick6 · 2014-08-05T19:40:25+00:00

There's nothing wrong with MGTOW. However, you aren't going your own way as a conscious decision that the juice isn't worth the squeeze after having put in some squeeze and gotten some juice, you're going your own way as a shortcut around the self improvement that would allow you to still date, but not get walked on. Instead of leaving this hole in your persona, you need to do the masculine thing and fix it. At that point, if the juice STILL isn't worth the squeeze, then you can go your own way legitimately.

Title	MGTOW and why I did
Author	gt35r
Upvotes	135
Comments	130
Date	August 5, 2014 4:20 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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