Testosterone and You

TheFastCat · 2015-03-31T17:40:10+00:00

I'll give some of my experience:

If you get a raging hard on in the morning upon waking up (or if it wakes you up) then your T levels are great! This is what everyone between 14-~40 should be achieving. Your T levels are highest in the morning so if you are considering getting them checked (any general practitioner can do it) it will be fasted in the early AM.

Secondly your body might not be creating test (enough of it) for many reasons. Diet, stress, sleep, depression, nutrition. You have to live positively across the board to address all of these possibilities.

Simple Nutrition hack:

Brazil nuts (900% daily selenium requirements per serving - better than supplement sources for absorption) Magnesium (From molasses, cocoa, cacao, leafy greens, nuts or supplements) Zinc (oysters, meat pumpkin seeds)

These are some components your body needs to produce Test (as well as do other things). Be sure to eat extra of them.

There are tons of other hacks like doing heavy squats/deadlifts in a fasted state, looking at attractive women (can google) but as a principle every man should be trying to naturally attain more T; it is kind of a magic man hormone. Once you start supplementing it your body also doesn't produce it naturally as easily so be wary.

pewpewing · 2015-03-31T21:54:33+00:00

So much bullshit misinformation in here it's embarrassing. See the /r/steroids wiki to get facts.

hamsterbator · 2015-03-31T15:49:48+00:00

I dunno professor. This disease mongering sounds a lot like the pressure I receive every day to prescribe statins for primary prevention (probably NNT over 100+) of heart disease, SSRIs of questionable efficacy to train wrecks I know won't help (cannot fix their lives), bloated DM regimens to people with Big Mac disease who can't follow a simple diet. Anticoagulants to everyone despite questionable bleedings risks, compliance and life expectancy.

In some areas (dying) medicine is great but when it comes to fitness most MDs know jack shit compared to the average browscientist. Just like how diet advice in the medical communities is decades behind and only now reversing its stance on fat and cholesterol intake.

If your dick isn't getting up by itself in the morning and you're not wanting to fuck girls and you've ruled out obvious causes (drugs, obesity etc) then why not supplement? Why not exchange looking closer to Stallone in the last decades of your life at the risk of shortening your life a few years? Who really wants to live to 80+ if you need someone to wipe your ass for you?

When it comes to supplementation, I don't mean the crazy GH, insulin regimens the bodybuilder freaks use. But a steady twice weekly injection or so to get your levels up to normal range, not supranormal.

If you're a young guy with body dysmorphia and regular levels then absolutely do not take steroids. Maximize your genetic potential and you're good to go if you straighten out the rest of your life. But if you're 30 with levels of a 60 year old, take care of yourself etc but just don't have sex drive then why not?

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TehFuggernaut · 2015-03-31T14:39:30+00:00

Just some anecdotal evidence. Not saying what I've done is right for everyone.

I've been an avid gym goer since I was 18 years old. Never more than 3 months off, always going 3-5 days a week for 7+ years. I was 5'11" 185 lbs and looked like I went to the gym, wasn't fat, and was fairly strong. 425 DL / 315 squat / 315 bench. I looked like I went to the gym, but nothing special at all.

At 25, I cycled testosterone and several other steroids. By the end of my cycle, 90% of my conversations with strangers started with people asking about fitness or commenting on my physique,"Whats your routine like? How many days do you go to the gym? Whats your diet?" I had girls literally walking up to me in the gym and starting conversations for no other reason than to hit on me (girlfriend, so the flattery was nice...but no good stories came from this ;) ). I enjoyed everything about it, except the acne. I've since learned to manage this through experience, its no longer even an issue.

I came off, and was perfectly healthy. Then I ran testosterone for 18 months straight. Even after 6 months coming off, my sex drive was still in the gutter even after proper Post Cycle Therapy and having 100% normal/'healthy' bloodwork come back. Lost all my muscle, and all my strength.

6 weeks ago I started injecting testosterone again, and I'm back to fucking 3x+ a day, I feel great, and I've gone from DYEL to 'almost jacked' in a very short period of time. In a few more weeks, I'll be back where I was last cycle.

While I was on for 18 months, I got my girlfriend pregnant as well. Infertility is literally the least of your worries on steroids. Most doctors and med students are massively under-informed on hormones and hormone therapy (I consulted several med students before using, as well as pharmacists - all either currently working in the field or graduating).

That said, you are fucking with your bodies natural homeostasis which is never a good thing. Weigh your own risks/benefits. Do your research, long term side effects are laughably understudied and overstated.

EDIT: Roids don't suddenly make you become a 250 lb monster when you use them. It takes a lot of diet and effort to get results, your muscles just take a slightly different appearance, and your body uses calories more efficiently (for aesthetic purposes). A natural guy @ 190 10% is going to look like garbage next to a 190 lb 10% juicer.

nzgs · 2015-03-31T16:34:47+00:00

Lots of things wrong with this post.

Testosterone does fluctuate, throughout the day. It generally trends as a decline from the 20s onwards, the evolutionary purpose of which is to nudge men towards fatherhood when different traits are required of a man. Our hormones also do not reflect our modern lifespans. We aren't fathers in our teens/early 20s, or grandfathers in our 40s. It's asinine to support modern medical intervention for lifespan while warning against exogenous testosterone.
Exogenous testosterone used responsibly is not harmful. There is absolutely zero evidence of long term harm providing that it is INJECTABLE testosterone (not oral) and blood pressure is monitored. Andriol is a poor form of testosterone delivery with unknown long term health effects compared to injectables.
Of course testosterone causes temporary infertility. Even a small dose will cause shutdown of sperm production. This almost always reverses itself upon cessation, and can be kickstarted with HCG. Even so, I know of many men who have conceived by accident while on high doses of test, and I've never heard of a single man who was totally infertile despite using HCG. Worst of all, the patients in your fertility study were already being treated for infertility!
Testosterone is extremely cheap. Mine costs me about £3/week and I use a fairly high TRT dose of 250mg/week. Pharma companies are not making huge profits from it, they are making huge profits from growth hormone which is the big thing in life extension at the moment (with good reason). The big profits are made by anti-ageing doctors who charge an enormous markup for cheap hormones.
You completely ignore the myriad positive effects of test supplementation.

Posts like yours are not helpful and you are pushing the same anti-testosterone agenda we have been hearing for decades.

MrHoman · 2015-03-31T15:31:47+00:00

All I'm gonna say is steroids are fun and if I live past 60 I'm going to be really pissed off so I'm just going to keep blasting 1g of test and get my deadlift up to 700lb thanks.

BPtoRP · 2015-03-31T18:17:55+00:00

While I do understand how much testosterone, that glorious chemical, affects my everyday life, especially my psychology...I do not understand the need to go overboard with it. I had low testosterone from the BP lifestyle I lead (shitty sleep, shitty food, no lifting, shitty stress, shitty porn/fapping, shitty female interactions) and fixed it by changing my lifestyle to what it is today and my body is just more alive, I give much less of a fuck, have way more confidence, way better frame, almost no AA, much sharper, more controlled, let alone the bodily differences.

So I do understand how magical it is. But what do you gain from lifting 700 pounds, becoming full Dark Triad psychologically, and looking unnaturally buff? Could you not reach the same benefits by perfecting your lifestyle consistently? If there were benefits you could never achieve naturally, are they really worth fucking up with your hormones this hard? Admitting ignorance here so enlighten me with your real-life perspective.

Steve_Wiener · 2015-03-31T18:57:12+00:00

"I don't need drugs to enjoy this... just to enhance it."

-Otto the Busdriver

real-boethius · 2015-04-01T09:24:56+00:00

I am sceptical the dude is a real doctor. Hardly anyone takes Test 'pills'. Also Test is out of patent mostly so drug companies are not that interested generally.

Visit /r/teststerone for lots of cases of doctors who have no clue eg monthly shots of a Test ester with a half life 5 days.

Ther are many things that cause low Test including illnesses and medications. And treatment when done properly produces excellent results.

Correcting some other brocience here

There is no evidence linking TRT with prostate cancer. Reducing Test to 0 can temporarily slow PCa growth but that is a different issue.
Yes Test can cause infertility but that can be avoided and corrected with HCG and other hormones.
The doses used for TRT are around 60-140 mg / week, far lower than steroid abusers who use 700+ per week. Side effects are far less common and much more easily managed.
Some cases of low Test are due to unhealthy lifestyle or poor nutrition and can be fixed in that way. By a lot aren't and can't be fixed with vitamins etc. Your sample of 1 is not proof it works for everyone.

I personally have osteoporosis due to low Test and it amazes me he readily Drs will give me very nasty meds that are under patent and pushed by drug companies but are scared to normalize my Test levels.

bigmfkr · 2015-03-31T09:25:02+00:00

First, testosterone is not a pill, it gets destroyed by liver when taken orally.

Second, the reference ranges for testosterone in adult men are way too low and are stupidly unified across all ages. What's healthy at 70 is not healthy at 30 or 20.

Third, you're kind of right. Messing with your hormones without proper knowledge is dangerous. But if you have low T, you have to either figure out the cause and treat it, hop on TRT/HCG, or live a shitty life.

Unfortunately, the legal situation makes you need a doctor to hop on TRT. And lack of understanding among doctors makes it very difficult even to get them to admit the low T problem.

It's not a ploy by pharma companies. It's a spreading disease. You'll know it when you have no more desire to fuck. When you'll have no energy for daily tasks.

Testosterone is what makes you a man. The more, the better.

LordPorker · 2015-03-31T17:59:37+00:00

Can you tell us what things to look out for that depletes T?

vvancruz · 2015-04-01T00:30:24+00:00

Test costs me $10 for 2000mg with insurance at my local pharmacy. At my Rx dose pf 200mg/wk that is 10 weeks of feeling awesome. I can't think of anything cheaper that makes me feel as good. Even without insurance, it is only $45, still a bargain.

a-orzie · 2015-04-01T09:22:29+00:00

This is like some stealth sjw post.

I'm sure I read somewhere a group of them were spreading anti test information.

/Tinfoil

fakeslimshady · 2015-03-31T16:17:21+00:00

Professor is there any correlation between T supplementation and increased cancer risk? I dont see much on this. I noticed Lance Armstrong had survived cancer. There was another young person I knew that juiced that I suspect died from cancer also.

epixs · 2015-03-31T17:20:05+00:00

Pretty sure you can't take real testosterone in a pill except for a modified version of the testosterone ring that is called dianabol. Most of those supplements are scams. Even then, like the OP said, you're going to end up feeling like shit since your own testosterone production is shut down.

Chikinhok · 2015-04-01T03:49:15+00:00

thanks for getting the conversation started, but test is not the boogie-man

AusCro · 2015-04-01T03:51:58+00:00

Which country are you from btw?

KissTheBridesmaid · 2015-04-01T14:46:38+00:00

Thanks for the post. However, it seems to me that testosterone enhancing drugs are precisely the ones that are NOT pushed, in fact many testosterone enhancing methods are illegal. The drugs that are pushed in our society are the ones that make us nice and docile, such as Ritalin.

CrazyHorseInvincible · 2015-04-02T21:17:47+00:00

Removed with extreme prejudice.

PokeChopSandwiches · 2015-04-01T11:31:48+00:00

Shut the fuck up you propaganda spreading parasite. Most useless post of the year award.

Test pills. Fucking test pills. It's an injectable oil, lotion, patch, or under skin pellet you simple fuck. Why don't you go back to the Republic of Dumbfuckistan and stop bothering the first world people.

JaxSwagger · 2015-03-31T20:24:30+00:00

I don't have a problem with guys want to maximize their T markers, it makes perfect sense as in the human sexual market place, high testosterone with a low survival cost is humanity's peacock tail. Almost every "alpha" attribute comes back to T, either fetal androgen levels or free floating levels in adults. Provided you have low surface bacteria, don't have heightened limbic responses and have low markers for all the other typical T survival costs, T will be your biggest advantage over other men in the SMP.

My problem is with supplementation. You can get your T levels roaring without resorting to roids.

If you want to use the supplements, go for it, but that it is the default advice around for raising free T is fucking ridiculous.

justtookit · 2015-03-31T14:26:57+00:00

Thanks for bringing your expertise here.

It looks like you're talking about those testosterone pill commercials that started a few years ago. The manipulativeness of those commercials was grossly obvious.

This is a community where some men take and talk about steroids. These guys might hear 'testosterone', and think you're talking about or even attacking them. This might be why you're going to see a lot of denial in this thread.

But if I've understood correctly, then you message is aimed at the majority of normal people who do not take steroids. In which case, you already know you are right, and we thank you for the reminder not to be bamboozled by pharmaceuticals.

ShawnRhoden · 2015-03-31T10:45:51+00:00

The reason why so many guys have low t is because of lack of sleep, over indulging in alcohol, and not being active.

Roids are not worth it unless you are a pro athlete or pro bodybuilders and they can get very addictive.

Eventually you get sucked into bodybuilding and you want to keep getting bigger and bigger. Women don't like that whole bodybuilding lifestyle. They like muscular athletic men like football players or rugby players.

People these days want instant results and that's not how it works. It takes a couple of years in the gym with a good diet to get big results.

Read this post from a former juicer, many other guys commenting agree as well. http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/123243-3-years-aas-what-i-learned-before-coming-off.html

real-boethius · 2015-03-31T17:13:52+00:00

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