Why do sluts slut it up? The evolutionary basis of sluttiness

redcamouflage · 2015-01-18T05:25:31+00:00

It's a good time to be a high-status male.

Its also a bad time to be a high-status male. Sure for hooking up its never been better but for LTRs its never been worse. All it takes is another shark to swoop in and take away the person you've been emotionally investing in for however many months or years. He doesn't even have to be higher status then you. He just has to match you and from there the novelty of new dick will give him preference.

Its a tradeoff. Theres a lot more fun for us to be had in the short term but in the long term things are worse than they've ever been for men. Hooking up loses its novelty eventually and you start to wish marriage and fatherhood wasn't such a ridiculously skewed game of russian roulette. You start to realize that you've been cheated on the underlying reason behind your desire to hook up in the first place.

vengefully_yours · 2015-01-18T06:10:14+00:00

Information that is easily accessible is killing religion. Liberalism and feminism are working hand in hand to take advantage of laws put in place by religious minded individuals who felt women were helpless and needed to be supported by the man who was fucking her if he dumped her for a younger model. At the same time they removed the social stigma and legal roadblocks that served to limit hypergamous behavior, creating a perfect storm of incentives for women to frivolously divorce and win cash and prizes.

Religion was only part of it, not the entire reason hypergammy was restrained, the social aspect of a cheating woman not being wanted by any other man did far more to curb her desire. Religion gave them the keys to the kingdom so to speak, by enforcing the idea women need to be taken care of, which persists in a time when she can get a job and pay her own damn way. Instead of her paying, her ex does, thanks to religious vestiges.

MattyAnon · 2015-01-18T03:18:11+00:00

A peculiarity of modern life is that women are spending 10 years having sex without getting pregnant. This would not happen naturally, and genetically speaking this is a problem that is solved by increasing desire and therefore having MOAR SEX. A great time to be a high-status male indeed :)

RedPillSafe · 2015-01-18T14:11:59+00:00

Truly brilliant.

Another high quality post on Red Pill. (seems to get more refined with time)

Women are biologically programmed to be LOWER in status than the man they mate with. In a small tribe it's very clear who is who, so mate selection is a no brainer. In fact you could just as easily perform arranged marriages because status was so rigidly defined.

Players don't exist in nature. (tribes with rigid structure)

The Player realizes that in the "Mice Experiment" modern world things have become entirely confused and Feminism amplifies confusion through Cultural Marxism.

The downside is that the offspring of being a Player (if pregnancy occurs) ends up growing up in a stunted environment because his bastard children grow up fatherless.

Lot's of good wisdom in this post.

runnerrun2 · 2015-01-18T15:10:15+00:00

I like that you're putting things in evolutionary context but there's a few flaws in your story. Please try to be as wholesome and correct as you can when you take a scientific approach.

First off, our brains went through many evolutionary pressures and experiences. The brain is literally a bunch of stuff built on top of each-other, which is often contradictory and serves different interests. It's all held together by the neocortex, which is a robust all-purpose pattern recognition information system. What you're saying isn't wrong per se but it would do you well to qualify that it's only a part of the bigger picture.

To give one example of how different evolutionary pressures create different aspects of the female brain is the War Brides phenomenon. Close-knit societies will favor women who create strong bonds and so on, but all throughout our history, tribes have been conquered, the men killed and the women taken by the winners. This favors women who could switch allegiances quickly (and rationalize/hamster it).

Second, this is just wrong:

Because this is her best chance to garner resources for herself and her offspring.

This is in no way a woman's primary motivation for seeking who to mate with. Women prefer to have "sexy sons" over all else. The brain is our peacock's feathers. The singing and dancing mating ritual birds and other animals do is already a primitive manifestation of probing the inside of the other's skull.

Genetically, the worst you can do is mate with someone who has suffered from a lot of genetic degradation. This is imperceptible, which is why we use heuristics to peer into the other's genetic purity. The brain is ideal for this due to its complexity.

Above all material things, women want to see you have a fully functioning brain. That is sexy! That you can figure stuff out and do things right. Social proof and preselection are heuristics they (we) employ to find out who the brain-masters are. Material gains are secondary. Physical attributes are secondary.

jagrmeister721 · 2015-01-18T06:01:57+00:00

A solid post. One thing:

"Status" is now entirely based on social skills,

Not sure it's entirely based on game. There are immutable characteristics that weigh heavily, things like height, facial structure, race. I would say its mostly status, and Game can move your value up or down reasonably within a range given your looks and wealth.

Frisky-Fox · 2015-01-18T15:56:50+00:00

I believe that hypergamy is pushed my consumerism to get women to buy more things. When you are always competing for mates, your requirements for makeup, clothes, shoes, purses, etc. go up. Hypergamy keeps women in a constant state of competition, as they are never settling for just one mate. I wonder if women know that modern feminism is just the blunt instrument of Victoria's secret marking department.

untrustworthyadvice · 2015-01-18T02:54:24+00:00

This makes sense but sex has a way of making men commit through oxytocin release so its not like its not working for them. Besides some girls enjoy being sluts, think borderline nymphos

teeay · 2015-01-19T06:58:04+00:00

she hopes that the oxytocin and assorted bonding chemicals will take their effect on him, and cause him to desire commitment with her

Read Sex At Dawn. Prehistory may not have worked like you think it did. The female imperative to be provided to by males is not universal, and is in any event an artifact of agricultural civilization - so was probably not in place for 95% of our evolutionary history.

The book doesn't necessarily disagree with your conclusions, just your supporting logic.

Matsew · 2015-01-18T07:26:55+00:00

no. the reasons for so many sluts are: 1. cultural acceptability 2. standard of life. when they have it good(ie. no shortage of food, shelter, safety), women become extremely slutty. there is no need for a provider so might as well secure the best genes right?

ROIVeritas · 2015-01-18T14:17:10+00:00

This whole post was analytical gold. Great work.

wildeep_MacSound · 2015-01-18T10:06:07+00:00

Seriously, there is so much fucked about this post. While Redpill has a place and viewpoint on psychology...it doesn't mean that we suddenly get to make shit up that flies directly into the face of actual fact.

First off - Stone Age. There were no human brains as you know them in that age. At the time, there were several human-like creatures running around and a large portion of those groups were either Monogamous (not even enforced by Jesus) or Polygynous.

The groups actually topped out at about 100 people, because after that you can't hunt/gather at the efficiency needed to sustain everyone. This is why hunter/gathers would eventually find agriculture.

There were no fucking Chiefs. Chieftains are something that happens AFTER you start into civilization. You're conflating the Paleolithic human-like creatures into your lame understanding of Native American tribalism and smashing them together to call them the same things. This completely ignores the huge gap of time, the environment these things lived in, the social differences, and of course - the fact that they weren't even human.

Steve_Wiener · 2015-01-18T07:47:06+00:00

TL;DR

They're indulging simply because they can. If the tables were turned, wouldn't you do the dame?

longerdistance · 2015-01-18T14:20:27+00:00

liberalism has destroyed religion as a cultural phenomenon

You can blame liberalism, but science and the freedom of information make religion completely nonviable as a means of instilling morals in (most of) today's people. You just can't convince them of that bullshit anymore.

If we want to create a society in which traditional values are widespread we'll have to convince the population with logic that they are preferable, in other words, we'll have to redpill them.

cherrypoptart27 · 2015-01-18T15:11:18+00:00

If the chief's son picks a female to mate with, she will instantly go fuck him, no game required

Implying she was given a choice. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the time bitches just got clubbed and dragged into a cave to be honest. That was the extent of "game"

SQQQ · 2015-01-18T18:19:12+00:00

zoologists studied mating patterns of animals (ie birds) which has a high cost of raising children

it seems to suggest that a cheating female could increase the chance her finding another mate should the first one fails her. or in some cases, she was able to gather resources faster because her adulterous partner, increasing the total resource available to her at her nest, maximizing survival rates of her children.

Waldo00 · 2015-01-19T04:10:49+00:00

Dna wants one thing... more copies. It's like religion and money it just can't get enough. And simlilarily to your ignorance of science it knows no bounds. The human penis tells a story of the women fucking all the guys during ovulation (this increases odds of pregnancy) fathers would do anything and everything to determine paternity to not waste resources. so every social structure religion is a prime example to maintain control has a huge element of ensuring paternity. Nothing has fucking changed. The only thing that has changed is the lies bullshit and fantasy men and women have been telling each other to try and ensure paternity and keep the peace. Finally we live in a world where we can test paternity. So it shouldn't matter that women are sluts we can test. So it seems it is our male emotional programming that desperately wants to ensure paternity ( despite having a rational recourse) by locking them up and telling them they are bad if they fuck to much. Acceptance is where errbody needs to go. Stop lieing to yourself about morally bad women. Ya liberalization and yay paternity testing. We can all appreciate the reality of women and the world monogamy is temporary for most and we can all stop hating women for doing exactly what they want to do fuck as much as fucking possible.

machimus · 2015-01-18T04:43:22+00:00

I dunno, I always thought it was because sex is awesome and makes you feel good in many ways, and if you can get away with it, why NOT do it?

CrustsRemoved · 2015-01-18T12:08:03+00:00

You're over looking a key aspect of this: sperm warfare. It is evolutionarily beneficial for a woman to collect as much sperm as possible to see who's got the best quality sperm and therefore the best genes.

To elaborate, if beta bob and chad thundercock both shoot a load into sally slut, then her beta provider turns out to win, then she has been impregnated by the guy with the best genes while letting the two males' sperm do all the work. Takes some of the guess work out of selecting the best male.

ROIVeritas · 2015-01-18T14:39:11+00:00

For the record, religion is hated BY man, BECAUSE it was made BY man. No revered historical figure EVER came with the notion, or the words in their mouth, that they wanted to start a religion.

They formulated ideas. They taught them to the society they cared for, the one they prospered under, much like the best posters and the endorsed on subs like this.

It was the zealots who ran with the movement, and usually in the wrong direction, in an effort not to lose influence in society by being cast aside with the changing times and centuries / schools of thought.

Most ancient dogmas taught the value of self over materialism. The love and worship OF material, is what started the term 'religion'.

It is no coincidence, that the word religion has the prefix 'reli'

Sounds like RELIC, doesn't it?

Relic worship birthed religion, yet all the so called religious leaders of yore lived the lives of MINIMALISTS, but this is not so today. That is why major new movements were, and still are so violently opposed by the economic sanctions, conventionalities and politics of the day.

If people were taught that they didn't need all the fancy crap that the higher castes had, they would have stopped working as hard, or as long, or altogether. If minimalism was accepted, there'd be NO NEED FOR MONEY.

Largely, politics has always been against equal education, progressive schools of thought, and anything collectively to the benefit of mankind.

Law is vs. progressive schools of thought. Economics is vs. society.

So the inference you can draw, is that the worship of material devalues the self, but it takes the self, to process materials. Efficiency like this relationship, is a paradox.

A venomous one at that, and it is one of the major hubs of conflicting interests as to why women are acting like dudes, men and women don't agree anymore, and there is much dissention even in an age where the ideal can be made possible.

"Great spirits often encounter violent opposition, from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

robostanleys · 2015-01-18T14:03:38+00:00

I didn't even bother reading it. It's a way to artificially inflate their value in the short term to real in higher status males. The end.

Title	Why do sluts slut it up? The evolutionary basis of sluttiness
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Date	January 18, 2015 2:21 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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