You can distill all Red Pill knowledge down to one word: VALUE.

down_with_whomever · 2015-03-27T07:05:44+00:00

We are collectively taught that our value is low and that the things we bring to the table don't matter. That we should be grateful for any attention we get from a woman. Part of the red pill awakening is, in addition to learning how to add value, realizing that we as men had value to begin with. I think so many of us never thought of it that way. I know I didnt. I had trp ideas before I discovered this place, but this was the first and only place I've ever found that is celebratory of masculinity and manhood. Men have value. Imagine that. The fact that this statement is a revelation to anybody says something about our culture.

FattestRabbit · 2015-03-27T12:31:51+00:00

I definitely agree with the first 70% of this post and really dig some of the gems:

Of course, bitches don't like it when they think they're the best a man can get.

I've been trying to think of things more in terms of 'the marketplace' and I completely agree here; women don't want to be a man's best option, they want the man to be THEIR best option.

only men who lack options have the time to spend hours making thoughtful birthday cards.

This line really hit me. I did this kind of shit all the time before finding TRP, because I thought that's what would separate me from the crowd. It sure did - as the beta orbiter the girls reduced me to.

Women are all roughly the same value – their value is determined at birth and can only go down

This is where we stop seeing eye-to-eye. I don't think this is a good mindset to have. I'm an engineer and I work with plenty of women (and have female bosses) who really bring a lot of real value to anything they do. Part of TRP is using what works for you and leave what doesn't, but I don't think adopting "a woman's value is determined at birth" mentality helps anyone in the long run AND probably starts affecting your game/thoughts about them in bad ways.

At the end of the day, all people are capable of having value and women are people. Otherwise we wouldn't want to have sex with them... mostly.

MattyAnon · 2015-03-27T08:38:29+00:00

I realised recently that there was almost nothing physically or mentally my ex could get close to. Fitness, strength, speed, intelligence, games, anything technical, etc. Even socially she didn't have the edge. Earned 2x what she did.

It's usually this way... (and they do it to themselves by being attracted to exactly this)... no wonder they gotta learn to put men down and manipulate up their own sexual value to pretend they are our equals.

Calculus_Lord · 2015-03-27T09:28:14+00:00

In general a good post. Only thing I have to say is if you are still measuring your value in relation to others you're still fucking up. Self-actualization is attained when you realize, what other people think doesn't really matter. What matters is what you think of yourself. Do you like yourself? Are you happy with yourself? Do you enjoy being around you? Do you think you are doing cool things with your life? If the answer is yes to these questions who cares what others think.

Oh one more thing. You should be nice to people you are seeing. Nothing wrong with making a thoughtful birthday card, it shouldn't come from a place of putting someone on a pedestal though. If you're nice because you think someone is better than you you're fucking up. You should be kind because thats who you truly are and enjoy doing nice for other people.

Cyralea · 2015-03-27T14:55:06+00:00

I'd argue that understanding value is part of the male experience that women will never understand. Women get all of their SMV up front; if they make it to 18 and they don't look like they belong in a barn they're considered highly desirable. Even HB5's generally possess some intrinsic value just for existing.

Men don't have any such value. When a man turns 18, he legitimately has little value. Strong men are forged through fire. You start with nothing.

What men do possess is that infinite potential for value. There will never be a female Gengis Khan. It's possible to build your value to surpass the highest any woman can achieve. Once you get there, be damn sure to value yourself accordingly. Never look at a women as your superior, because she simply can't be.

shawnmarbury · 2015-03-27T07:41:17+00:00

This added value to my evening. Thanks for the light. See you at the top!

NSA_web_spider · 2015-03-27T14:33:00+00:00

Yeah, I was with you until the "bitches don't understand value" thing.

Women, do understand value, and may disagree with your assessment of it. But if you see yourself as having value, a woman will generally take your leadership and see the value as well.

If you value them less than they value themselves, and they don't see you as more valuable, it's perhaps time for a next.

Either you don't have the value that you perceive you do, can't communicate it, or her value assessment of you is based on different criteria than you judge yourself by. Either way the matchup is not sound.

You know when a Woman's rights advocate says that a woman has to work twice as hard to be considered as good in a mans job? For the most part, that is/was true, particularly in the trades.

It's the same for men in a relationship. We have to bring more perceivable value to the relationship than she does, or she will see herself as worthy of better. Society has always demanded that women marry up, and anything else is considered unacceptable.

You can either build up your value, or diminsh hers with negging. Both work, but I prefer the positive route, and you get the side benefit of being a more awesome you.

I know I should say, "And if she doesn't see your value you should leave and find a glorious unicorn that does and rewards it with many blowjobs!" but I'll spare you the bullshit. She might be the one with the differing value assessment, but it's way more likely that you don't know how to display and communicate your value, or you are over estimating it in the first place. Improve your value, and improve your ability to communicate it without appearing to try too hard.

Women are not stupid. That's an AWALT that I can't agree with. They are on average physically weaker than we are, but also on average better able to manipulate the game. They range in mental capacity from dumb to brilliant, but since sexual strategy is the biological endresult of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, and has nothing to do with dumb or smart.

TLDR; Get out of mismatches, know yourself, build your SMV and ability to communicate it. Even if you screw up, you'll still feel better about yourself.

Holy fuck. Am I a red pill feminist?

Garconanokin · 2015-03-27T12:23:46+00:00

"Cause I'm all about value" --Barenaked Ladies

Black-Pill · 2015-03-27T07:22:47+00:00

I think that this is a very smart refinement of the RPT " Abundance Mentality". Women are abundant and easily accessed with the sexual strategies that can be learned and used by any man that swallows the Red Pill. A man who can rise above, dedicate himself to his goals and life purpose without the qualification of a woman (or anyone else for that matter) creates a personal value that is unmatched.

ForgeAndTemper · 2015-03-27T15:13:31+00:00

A good thing to keep in mind for the anger phase is that a 20 year old woman reaches her max value, with just about zero work. Genetics and don't get too fat. A 20 year old guy is pretty worthless. The 20's are about building yourself into a man. Then you reach somewhere near valuable. But there is no max and it keeps going.

CopperFox3c · 2015-03-27T13:13:36+00:00

I've gotta agree with /u/Waldo00 here, I was totally with you until you said this:

Fertile women will always have some measure of value to society, because wombs are needed to produce more men... but it's men who have the ability to become really valuable.

Sounds like the same nonsense men-hating feminists spew about men. Look, clearly the modern Western female is disappointing in many ways, totally agree with you there. But I think the problems are more that women are not being held to a high enough standard. Too many thirsty betas pushing up the value, because they've been told for a generation to pedestalize women, to save them, white knight them, be the "nice guy". Movies, music, TV, etc. All the same emasculating message.

What incentive do women have to maximize their value in that climate? Some do it out of sheer will, but that seems to be the exception. That's really the fundamental problem. And until men wake up, reclaim our masculinity, our manhood, things won't change.

I think realizing our own value as men though is critical (which is where we agree). There are things we bring to the table, unique things that women do not. Those things are not appreciated by modern society, and in a way many of us have internalized that. We don't value ourselves. But the process goes both ways, once we begin valuing ourselves, that will percolate out into society. That is the essence of TRP.

In short, fundamental change start within ourselves, but it extends much farther than that. We are a reflection of our society, and vice versa.

GV19 · 2015-03-27T15:45:38+00:00

SMV in one sentence "cuz hey I'm black, handsome, I sing, plus I'm rich, and im a flirt"-R. Kelly

mauripj · 2015-03-27T15:51:43+00:00

I began reading this sub-reddit back in September and since then have started slowly implementing the lessons taught on here. I will admit I've slipped a couple times but it takes time.

But the most valuable lesson I have learned from this sub-reddit is the idea that it's about what you value, not what others value. In a way I have learned to be more selfish. I take a look at everything I do and start to measure it's value TO ME. Not what other people think the value is to me.

Those things include my time, my energy, my attention, my focus, my money, all of it. When you start to look at what's true valuable to you, then you are amazed at how much BS falls to the wayside. You find yourself starting to say no more often than you thought and it's liberating.

What happens is when you start taking this value centric view on life, you have more energy for that which is important to you and you succeed at those things, thus making you more valuable to other people.

test822 · 2015-03-27T17:51:27+00:00

yo, that urinal was a piece from the "dadaist" movement that was born out of disillusionment from everyone coming home from shitty world war 1. it's a good and historical piece. up until then, all art was just fancy paintings of kings and stuff. making a thing people pissed in as a piece was a calculated act of rebellion and a call to pay attention to an aspect of life that weak people often try to ignore.

the artist, marcel duchamp, also did this which is cool as hell

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Duchamp_-_Nude_Descending_a_Staircase.jpg

don't be like my blue collar grandpa

chest_bruh · 2015-03-28T06:02:40+00:00

So if you aren't doing nice things for them on special days like making them a custom card and whatnot, what are you supposed to do on special days like birthdays and anniversaries?

BeekersBeaker · 2015-03-28T11:37:34+00:00

Counterpoint: valueis what you get, price is what you pay. The price of that urinal is millions, the value, to you and me, is still $5. Maybe someone else could get millions' worth of value out of it, but not I.

Value is still what you want to have and show, independent of price. Bitches will look at the urinal and see that it truly is worth $5 ... to them.

IllimitableMan · 2015-03-28T17:26:32+00:00

Just passing through and wanted to say this is a good post. The urinal metaphor may be lame to some people, but it still makes a solid point.

My point to add: men underestimate their value, women overestimate theirs. Combine this with hypergamy and male testosterone and you get men dating down and women dating up.

silanor · 2015-03-27T15:25:21+00:00

never think someone is more valuable tha your self. (goes for men and women)

Count_To_Five · 2015-03-27T14:14:40+00:00

You didn't really talk about why men are collectively higher value than women though. Aside from physical differences (lifting heavier), I don't see how men are essentially more valuable than women.

I'd say everybody is valuable in their own regard -- as you say, everybody sees value differently. You may value Asian girls whereas I value brunettes. But ultimately, the most important thing, as you correctly state, is to value oneself.

MoneyStatusLooks · 2015-03-28T02:23:17+00:00

Speaking of value, this post is up their with the best on this site.

I do however want to touch on how this relates to sales/marketing though. Everyone/everything is being marketed and sold to someone.

The one thing I would say on value is, although relative, it is market dependent. Although intrinsically you were more valuable than Laura at the time, the market probably thought differently, as there were hundreds of willing men who wanted to fuck her brains out. Young, attractive, sexy women will always be in demand.

For 10 years, that woman has more value than a multimillionaire. But you know what, value is not static forever and women burn fast/strong. If you cultivate the principals taught in this sub your value will remain high for along time. Every high value woman will want to be with a high value man. Your job is to cultivate the appearance of high value and be high value as well. That way you get the recognition you deserve for being in the top X% of men. It's the equivalent of a high end product in the marketplace with epic marketing. There is no use being more valuable than Laura but being sold in a shitty box with no sales/marketing. Otherwise you will not get credit for your value.

In summary. Value is relative. Sales and marketing are everything. Be the best/look the best.

bitterRedpills · 2015-03-27T16:46:40+00:00

Thanks bro, that was a wakeup call I needed.

awfukbye · 2015-03-27T17:56:29+00:00

Was interesting until the past about picking shit up. She is still a thousand times more valuable than you, for being cute and having a pussy.

realdev · 2015-03-27T18:53:47+00:00

Women are all roughly the same value

Not exactly. i mean, if you want smart kids, you'll want to LTR with an intelligent woman. IQ is something like 80% hereditary.

SwissPablo · 2015-03-27T21:38:45+00:00

There was a time in my life where I was so BP I'd actively reduce my value by self-deprication because I foolishly believed women would see my humility and modesty and it would win them over!

I see men doing this now and it makes me cringe.

Umad1017 · 2015-03-28T04:56:13+00:00

After going through a breakup and watching my dad go through a divorce, you really gain perspective into how twisted females can be. I've been told "I want to hide any future children from you" by a female I dated for 5 years. I remember hearing my dad referred to as an "investment" while the other side tried to squeeze him for every dime by the person he was married to for 30 years.

The concept of marriage is obsolete. It was first conceived when human lifespans were 30-40 years. Now, with people living well into their 70's, why force yourself into a situation that will result in your eventual financial downfall or even worse, a situation you are trapped in? Marriage is designed to exploit men for female profit, and these woman have no concept of loyalty.

My dad has never heard of reddit or TRP...but 30 years of marriage and a divorce later, all the advice he gives me parallels what I've been reading here. Value myself and spend my life making myself happy--not the person who will stab you in the back the second you run into hard times.

bobjoe177 · 2015-03-28T07:49:09+00:00

I like it but the breeding to value part is incorrect. Women have one womb and men have unlimited spooge, and for every woman there're 50 other guys trying to undercut one another's value. As far as breeding transactions go, very few men have higher value than women, that's why alpha fux.

Waldo00 · 2015-03-27T10:43:09+00:00

Men and women are valuable in different ways depending on the definition of value. If you define value as reproductive ability, women are the most valuable creatures around by far.1000 women and one man makes 1000 babies. If you define value as best possible offspring, than beautiful successful people will be the most valuable. Value is the overriding premise of redpill and game. The brain makes economic like decisions about mating strategy based of the information available. But it is important to understand that value is relative and defined by genetics and social norms. So when you say men have more value it is true in of itself as you have defined value by what men are naturally better at.

brotherjustincrowe · 2015-03-27T13:59:21+00:00

I'm reminded of what Varys said in Game of Thrones about how power is a mummer's trick, a shadow on the wall. The same could be said about value - what did tulip bulbs provide to Dutch society that caused them to be such a hot commodity, other than people wanted them because other people did (IOW, they're valuable because they're valued and vice versa - a violation of the is/ought distinction).

Is it all just a confidence trick? Are we all just used-car salesmen dressing up clunkers as great buys? You can try to measure and quantify variables all day long but when all's said and done it's still pretty arbitrary, just look at the recent stock market crash to see how people thought worthless debts could be sold off as commodities and what happened with that.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-03-27T16:32:54+00:00

Heirarchy

Equality is the blinding of oneself to Heirarchy.

Quality is the ability to see Heirarchy and to rise to attain a higher Value.

Red Pill allows Value... but without a Heirarchy to climb within (and to see) there can be no climb.

Value cannot exist without Heirarchy.

Once you understand Heirarchy you know two things:

One Charms as they ascend the Heirarchy
One Loves as they rule over the Heirarchy

. A man can only Love if he Rules.

The man who Charms a woman does not Rule her and he will never be attractive to her. (no Tingles)

Men love women, women love children, children love puppies.

Title	You can distill all Red Pill knowledge down to one word: VALUE.
Author	BurgundyCarpet
Upvotes	243
Comments	60
Date	March 27, 2015 6:25 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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