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[–]rydogg707 52 points53 points54 points 14 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link
I grew up being extremely sensitive and living in my mind, dwelling on everything everyone ever said about me. I took everything personally. I'm 33 years old, and over the past 15 years since I graduated high school (fuck me) I've gradually toned down how personal I take things, to how much I let what people say affect my mood.
I still struggle with living inside my mind, and in fear. Constant “what –if” scenarios for every aspect of my life. I started having therapy with a counselor about 6 months ago, and she’s helped me with some of these key issues. Finding seddit last week was the final piece of the puzzle for overcoming who I was, to who I want to be.
This video really helped me get some perspective on how to feel on a daily basis: No Fear in the Now, but it also emphasized a point my counselor talked about and that concept is:
We are 100% in control of our feelings
I had never really considered this concept before. I was unaware that all the feelings I have I generate, based on events that occur. One thing she taught me was to do a course correction, or a re-evaluation. If something happens and it makes me feel angry, sad, upset, embarrassed, I made those feelings. So I can re-evaluate, re-asses and course-correct my feelings into something I want to feel.
This entire concept was mind-blowing for me, and has completely changed my life. Since then, I don't get angry anymore when I drive (I used to get really upset and be in a bad mood for the rest of my drive). If someone does something idiotic, I might get angry for a second, but then I re-assess, realize that it’s not really anything I can control and let it go.
TL;DR: We control 100% of our feelings/emotions and we can choose how we feel or react to any event in our lives.
[–]DevilsAdvocater 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
This is called "cognitive behavioral therapy" (CBT) Get the workbook Mind Over Mood... The lessons learned in seddit are an extension of CBT. If people suffer from depression, anxiety, guilt, shame or embarrassment, they would find use of the workbook and a couple sessions with a CBT specialist. I think once you overcome your inner issues, you are then able to understand and use seddit appropriately.
[–]WiretapStudios 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
100%. I had gone to therapists / got medication for anxiety from around 17-21, with terrible results, feeling even worse. Ran into a counselor who was a cognitive specialist for really troubled people, but was the nicest, calmest, coolest dude I'd ever met in the mental health field. He turned me on to cognitive therapy and thinking, and changed my mindset completely.
[–]pk_atheist 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm going to take a look at that. Thanks for the recommendation.
[–]rydogg707 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess I have overcome my inner issues then. I understand and have been able to use seddit appropriately.
I just ordered the book on Amazon. Thanks!
[–]pk_atheist 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I have had a similar feeling. When I was younger I used to have a spending problem. I'd spend too much during the weekend then be afraid to check my bank account and see what I had done. I was crippled by fear.
Then one day I said, more information is always good. So whenever I get a feeling that I should check my bank account, I made a decision to ALWAYS check no matter how bad it felt. I got in the habit of looking at the numbers and making better decisions based on them.
Since then I've learned to start budgeting, but the point is- I was in control the entire time, I just needed to realize it.
[–]rydogg707 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was in control the entire time, I just needed to realize it.
I still struggle with this concept, but I am getting much better about re-calculating, and doing it much faster. Being more in control, all the time.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Also, sleeping and eating well helps a whole lot. I have reached the same conclusions as you but I can't control my emotions when I'm low on energy. Working shifts suck big time.
[–]rydogg707 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
See, the thing is YOU CAN control your emotions at any point in your day/life. It's being able to recognize indicators of your mood and respond to them. It takes practice, and everyone IS human, so we make mistakes. I still find myself having little "rage sessions" when playing a video game or when a chain of idiots on the freeway really piss me off. But I reflect back on them to see if I can identify how to better assess those triggers that set me off in the first place.
Lately, when I find myself in a funk, which seems to be uncontrollable, I try to think of something that amuses me and I laugh out loud. A good hearty laugh. I'm sure people think I'm crazy in my office when I do this, but who cares??? I feel better for it! (I also recognize being considerate to my office mates, and I'm not sitting her cackling like an evil genius all day long!)
[–]WiretapStudios 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
See, when I'm playing a video game, I'm relaxing FROM traffic, etc. I never get pissed off at something like that, if I get sniped (for example) I'm just like 'HOLY SHIT hahahahaha.'
[–]rydogg707 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
THIS is how I want to be when playing video games, but I haven't learned how yet. However, with friends in a public setting, playing a board game or something, I usually don't get upset. I'm able to laugh it off when I blow a round, or roll shitty dice or whatever the game requires. It only seems when I'm by myself that I get upset when I suck. Not really sure what that is all about yet.
[–]WiretapStudios 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That's really pointing to a deeper anger issue. Not to diagnose or anything. I get 'mad' sometimes, but I have never really 'raged' other than in very extreme relationship arguments where I just couldn't believe the other person was SO out of line, etc. I don't usually hit things or throw them, even if I have an urge to. A lot of it has to to with reading about Zen and cognitive things (separately). However, for a video game? I play about 2 hours max a week, to blow off steam. I limit myself to a few online rounds, and approach it just like a date - I'm here to have fun, if I have a good round, awesome, if I suck more than anyone, then it was good practice with better players, etc. I might yell 'YOU MOTHERFUCKER!' but it's in a gleeful way, not really actual hate.
I have to explain to people sometimes that I'm not actually road raging, just me like 'FUCK YOU BUDDY' in my car (they can't hear me) isn't me amping up to beat up someone, that is the thing that makes me not upset really, just half jokingly yelling at the douche who can't drive.
[–]rydogg707 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I should clarify, the "rage outs" or whatever I have aren't long term anymore. I used to get really upset when I was in my teens. Now, it may be a simlar outburst to you, I might have more anger behind it initially, but it usually disipates after a few seconds and then I realize it's just a game and it's silly for me to get angry at a game. 99% of the time playing is fun and enjoyable.
I always make fun of douche's that can't drive. ALWAYS. I never get mad at them anymore.
[–]WiretapStudios 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Awesome, not being sarcastic, congrats on getting past most of that. My ex dated a rage-o-holic, so by nature she rages when mad and we couldn't have a discussion that ended well, because she WANTED the rage to come out to have that 'calm after the storm' feeling afterward. Fuck that.
Frustration is totally ok, that actually can motivate to do better at things.
[–]rydogg707 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Completely agree. I've also actively been trying to learn how to meditate since I came across all this information last week. Been practicing every day. Still don't have the hang of it yet. But I think I'm getting better, I do feel calmer than even a few weeks ago.
[–]WiretapStudios 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Awesome, good luck dude! It really calms the mind with practice, doing it first thing in the morning can really set your head straight.
[–]rydogg7071 point 14 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Thanks!
I'm going to start running in the morning, and then when I get back, maybe try it. Although I run without music, just the sounds of my feet, my breath and nature. Feels good man.
I don't know if I have the current mindset yet to try it first thing without doing something first, even if I am sitting upright so as not to fall asleep. But we'll see where this progresses over the next few weeks.
[–]gaso 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
So many valuable lessons within Buddhism...shame the essential secular tenants aren't instilled in children, humanity would be better off for it...
[–]rydogg707 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I have a friend who's been atheist since I've known him. But recently got into the teachings behind Buddhism "because they make the most sense." I've looked some over, but never "dived in" as he did.
Only to realize that Buddhism has so much to offer on how to be a better human, a better citizen on this planet.
So I am going to revisit Buddhism now that I've set forth on the path I'm currently on. Just to see where it goes.
[–]rainman18 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Three of my favorites subreddits are /r/meditation /r/buddhism and /r/zenhabits
good stuff to be had.
[–]rydogg707 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
/sub /sub /sub
[–]WiretapStudios 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seconded, I love this collected info.
I'm mostly atheist, but have studied and read about Buddhism for as long as I've been atheist. Zen type principles are very easy to align with atheism, as I feel more they are of a 'human' science leads to bliss / happiness vs. a religion leads to zero answers but a reward when dead type thing.
Oh cool. I will definitely be looking into all of that then. Can't wait!
[–]UnapologeticalyAlive 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
dwelling on everything everyone ever said about me. I took everything personally
I don't understand that mindset. It's like you expect yourself to be perfect at everything on the first try, and if you're not, then you're somehow worth less as a person. It's irrational to have that kind of expectation for yourself. I expect to suck at everything on the first try, and improve with practice. I'm never disappointed.
[–]rydogg707 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
This is just how I was as a teenager. I didn't really know how to be any other way at the time. I was constantly disapointed with myself. I had issues. I can only relate to that mindset because I lived it. It seems so far fetched and irrational now.
Also...half my life later, and I really don't have any of those issues I had when I was growing up.
[–]UnapologeticalyAlive 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm glad to hear you've put that behind you! I think a lot of teenagers have unrealistic expectations for themselves. It's probably a result of their parents' unrealistic expectations for them.
When I was a kid, I was pretty terrible at soccer. My dad was always disappointed by that. I wish he had just said, "that's no big deal. let's go practice in the back yard so you do better next time." That would have helped me develop the right attitude early on.
[–]Corndawgz 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My parents were like this too, but I feel it helped because I developed self motivation at a young age. I guess it depends on the person/environment you grow up in.
[–]rydogg707 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thanks! I am also glad it's in my past!
The funny thing is, my parents didn't put that much pressure on me at all. And were always so supportive, rarely hyper-competitive with things in my life. I often heard "it's no big deal", "we'll get 'em next time", etc. SO all of this behavior I just fabricated for myself. Where it came from, who knows.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Some of us just set really high standards on ourselves for no reason. I remember I used to be a massive bookworm/nerd and got extremely pissed when I got an 84% on a test... I ran away from home for like 5 minutes until I got hungry. I still don't know why I did that to myself.
[–]rydogg707 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can see that. It's probably not a collection of events around our lives while growing up, but perhaps we extrapolated from said events into something our own.
[–]folderol 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is irrational but many of us do feel this way. Realizing that it is irrational and stopping our minds from always thinking this automatically is the key and the difficulty.
[–]ShamwowTseDung 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
What is this?
[–]UnapologeticalyAlive -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What's even stranger is that you thought I was "shitting" on it.
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[–]UnapologeticalyAlive 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Are you suggesting it's rational to expect yourself to be perfect at everything on the first try and always be disappointed if you're not?
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[–]UnapologeticalyAlive 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. This is a dumb conversation. Let's not continue it.
[–]WiretapStudios 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Wow are you me? 33 even as well. Thanks for the link, I've more or less gotten away from my prior thinking, but what you said hit home in a past-me way.
You're not wrong.
I've been on reddit for almost 2 years now, and one of the greatest comforts I've found is the "you're not alone in feeling this way" vibe from the community. Sometimes I felt like I was the only one on the planet going through what I was going through. I never fully understood that there is most likely someone else out there going exactly through what you are going through, or having similar feelings. This realization has greatly helped me in how I deal with my feelings and my life.
"you're not alone in feeling this way" vibe from the community.
Totally agreed, Reddit has made me actually MORE social and adjusted, vs. less social and introverted. Seeing people in the motivation section or the mountain bike section gets me out there and going, and reading the forever alone section makes me feel more lucky and empathetic towards those with less social skills that need a kind word, etc.
Couldn't agree more.
[–]forgivedurden 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
this is exactly how i am now, 15 years old. :\
The only advice I can give you is something I wish I would have believed at the time (even though I heard it all the time) and that is not to care what people think.
It's REALLY hard to grasp when you don't have the experience to back it up. You will learn that nobody really gives a shit, so all the self-judgment you put on yourself is maybe 5% of what everyone around you is actually thinking, maybe even less. And even if what you think about yourself people around you are actually thinking... who really cares? Once you can figure that out, it gets easier.
I still struggle with this today. Just not nearly as much as I did when I was a teenager.
PM me if you want to talk more about this outside of the public.
[–]too_long_didnt_read 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for posting that video. I needed that right now.
[–]Mailman7 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I want to believe this, but I am almost certain science tells us something different. A lot of what you feel right now has largely been pre determined by prior events in your life. You can't possibly control the unconscious operations of your brain, and that is a place where everything arises from, into your conscious thought. Another way of perhaps putting it, is that your conscious mind is simply riding the wave of your unconscious mind.
I hope this wasn't a downer.
While I see your point, and agree to some extent, what I mean is that while you think the conscious mind is riding the wave of the unconscious I believe the conscious mind is stearing, directing, re-calculating what the unconscious mind produces. So while we may have unconscious emotions and thoughts, almost like instinct and impulse, I believe we can "course-correct" those initial unconcious thought processes to have more control of how we think and feel.
[–]TofuTofu 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Excellent point. Opinions and criticisms are great, but at the end of the day live your life to please no one but yourself.
Being self-validated is a critical part of becoming truly awesome in life.
[–]WaffleSports 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So simple and true, if you look into others for validation you'll never get where you want. Listen to these Opinions and criticisms though... there's some guys out there that think they're the greatest and it's not helping at all.
[–]geek_in_a_suit 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I used to be the exact same way. This quote I heard when I was 18 has resonated with me since.
Hear all, trust nothing - Rules of Acquisition #190
Since then I listened to to every piece of opinion and criticism out there whether it be for my work or personal choices. Good or bad and I never take it to heart. If I felt their input was logical, I would keep it in mind. If I felt the opinion was destructive to my goal, I would discard ever having the conversation. Bottom line, I'd do what I felt was right. After listening to others, I would do my own homework at the same time. Make my own decisions and be accountable, most importantly - take risks. I've hit some walls but for the most part, it's paid off well. I can't imagine going back and not changing my frame of mind like you have recently learned. It feels great, even when I failed. I have no regrets and learned from mistakes. Congrats to you for discovering!
TL;DR: Start watching Star Trek, will bring logic into your confused life
[–]gerusz 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rule 62.
[–]UnapologeticalyAlive 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Inner confidence is everything.
I'm a performance salsa dancer. People are always critiquing my style. I welcome it. Some people hesitate to say anything negative because they're afraid they'll hurt my feelings. I see criticism as a means to improve my style. I can't see what I look like from the outside, so I rely on other people's feedback to improve. Without it, I could be making the same mistake a thousand times and never know it.
The key is to realize that no one has ever gotten perfect at anything. All the greatest athletes in the world have lost a good portion of their games. Everyone gets good at things by trying and failing. That's just how life works. Those who appear to be really good at something are just farther along in their training than you are. They're not better than you. They're not super-human. They're just better trained.
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[–]UnapologeticalyAlive 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
some people are just better than you
I find it amusing that a redditor with the account name "nopantson" typed this to me.
[–]pk_atheist 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He's just better at mooning than you
[–]Lead ModeratorThrowawayPUA 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
People all have inner self-destructive opinions of themselves. Since we get exposed to all sorts of opinions from all sorts of people, some of them are bound to connect with our inner issues and then we feel like we have exposed our flaws to the world. But it's not personal, even though it feels that way.
[–]pk_atheist 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Personal or not- you have to press on in spite of the criticism. I decided to publish despite the critique I was getting, and actually got my first record contract this past summer.
[–]rydogg707 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
got my first record contract this past summer.
That's awesome!! When is your record due out?
[–]pk_atheist 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's out now. I wish I could share but I prefer to remain mostly anonymous with this group. :(
[–]rydogg707 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Understood. Congrats anyways!
Thanks! It's been a big part of my life!
[–]ymrhawk 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This probably has more to do with achieving goals than it does confidence. Confidence arises from experience and competence and you really can't fake it internally.
[–]pk_atheist 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Confidence is getting through the dip just before you achieve your goals. You definitely get more confidence with each successive goal you achieve, but you've got to have belief in yourself to attain at least your first.
Recently I've learned that I can chain "confidence events" to boost my confidence exponentially. I've begun to approach my entire day that way.
Get up at 6am right when my alarm goes off, no snooze; "Fuck ya, that's the way to do it. Good job!"
Make my bed right after waking up: "Shit, that makes my bedroom look nice 'just-in-case-anything', don't have to worry about that the rest of the day!"
Eat a healthy breakfast, get ready for work and leave for work with enough time to make it in 10-15 min before I am supposed to be there; "This day is going to be awesome!"
And so and so on, all throughout the day, little small accomplishments that I feel proud of doing help me feel amazing and on top of the world all day long. Now I've begun to incorporate seddit and some of the beginners tools into my daily life as well. Smiling as I walk down the hall, talking to everyone, making compliments when appropriate to co-workers, cashiers, public, etc. All of these events compound exponentially for me and by the end of the night I just feel fucking incredible. And I can fall asleep with a smile on my face and say “I fucking did it, today was awesome.”
Then wash, rinse, and repeat.
[–]ymrhawk 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That is motivation and perseverance which helps in getting confidence but we shouldn't mix the goal with the process. Without experience you are only going on trust/faith which is fine for the short term until you get enough experience to have real confidence. Why make the distinction? Because regular people out in the field can spot the difference a mile away.
There are no shortcuts or cheat codes toward gaining inner confidence. It cannot be gained on an intellectual level, we can only talk about the ACTIONS needed to conjure it. It is quite simply
Actions > Experience > Competence > Confidence.
[–]lovesushi 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Inner confidence is knowing that nobody will ever understand your mental state, motivation, and goals.
This!!! I always find inner peace and satisfaction following exactly what you said. I'd rather be happy and content from the inside than the outside.
[–]Arro 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You had me 'til the lottery analogy. Don't play the lottery. Really, don't.
[–]pk_atheist 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol
[–]IAmTheOmNom 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nobody thinks you'll win the lottery either, but every day so many people do.
Damn ... that analogy sucks. because so little people win the lottery.
[–]pk_atheist 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hahaha, good point. But really a lot nationwide do.
[–]IAmTheOmNom 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You should see it an a correlation to all people who play and not to your personal impression. ;)
[–]netcowboy 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For me, it was understanding that other people have that same complicated dialogue going on their head that I was having in mine. One day, I looked at everyone I saw and studied them living in this conversation in their mind. All the stress left my body when I realized that (most) other people live in this unique world of their own trivial matters. It made me a better listener and gave me tons more confidence. Most people would rather talk about themselves, but somehow doing that with them has made me more popular and made others more comfortable with me. I have no agenda, but if I want to persuade someone else, I play like I'm in their crazy little movie with them.
[–]nycprowl 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even if a girl you're after seems unimpressed- assume that's because she doesn't yet know you well enough to be impressed, and then press on.
I usually just think she must be boring. Me? Ego? Naaaaaah....
[–]Alec105 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"The number of times my friends assured me that a girl didn't seem interested when she ended up very interested is astounding. Don't rely on them."
A thousand times this.
Not to mention the fact that she may not start off interested- but that shouldn't discourage you from trying. For all you know, you just need a couple more minutes for her to get to know you.
[–]unclejoesmomma 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
best advice ive heard in a while, thank you
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Another note on self-confidence: stop trying to 'impress' people
[–]squarehouse 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm going to go out and disagree, only because you're only halfway there.
True inner confidence is like framing: You create the reality that other people judge by. I've been reading parts of the Book of Pook, and he stumbles onto something insightful:
How do successful men act with women? They bring the lady into their world. When they date (at the beginning especially), it is HIS date ideas, he gets to be as creative or dull as he wants. And she will judge you based on the world you are creating for her.
[...]
What is confidence but the LINK between your world and yourself, between your DREAM and DAY? Guys with no confidence can create no worlds. She will see the wimpy rich guy and think how she can use him, not love him.
What is confidence but the LINK between your world and yourself, between your DREAM and DAY?
Guys with no confidence can create no worlds. She will see the wimpy rich guy and think how she can use him, not love him.
This implies that there is no actual true reality out there, but you don't believe this, because reality is arbitrary, but you must be the arbiter.
Inner confidence is knowing that nobody will ever understand your mental state, motivation, and goals. Some people will be close, but nobody will ever really know these things as well as you.
This is only half way there. You're only saying that confidence is knowing that people can't see your inner state, and so they're unable to judge you. But this sounds more like a psychological defense than actual confidence. You're still unsure if you're right, but at least others can't judge you wrong.
True confidence is framing your reality. If you have any doubt that you might be right, then it just means that someone else's frame is stronger than yours (your parent's, your employer's, the government's, etc), your very will has been impeded on, and someone else's will has overcome yours.
Nothing less than this is genuine confidence.
[–]pk_atheist 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I like to think that my confidence is based on my assumptions being logically correct. When people disagree with me it's because they don't know all the factors I do- and I assume if they did, they'd agree.
[–]squarehouse 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Like I said, halfway there. It's good to assume, in general, that you're right until you can be proven wrong; then, if someone shows you to be wrong, you respond "Oh, okay" as if it's no big deal.
But people with a great deal of confidence don't usually work this way. You can't show them to be wrong, because their frame of reality is so strong, that you'll be sucked into agreeing with them. It's like Steve Jobs' "reality distortion field", and lots of extremely high-powered men operate this way.
It's rare that people actually disagree for logical reasons: true intellectuals are the rarest bird, even among well-educated people. Mostly, people disagree because they are emotionally invested in the issue, and then they construct reasons to justify it. It's nearly always a battle of will.
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Awesome.
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