Direct Game

apocalyptic · 2010-08-06T07:28:02+00:00

The more direct you go, I've found that the better you have to hold your frame. Case in point: The Apocalypse Opener.

And before someone asks, no I did not come up with it and it is not my preferred method.

Synroc · 2010-08-06T10:33:40+00:00

[ FR ] 15 minutes later, ran out of the house to the cafe next door. saw a HB7/HB8 sitting alone reading, sat down.

"Hey, How's it going " "fine. you ? " " What are you doing tonight ? " "Uh nothing ( looks at me kinda weirdly. I think until this part you seem AFC/ boring ). Why ? " " Do you want to come home with me then ? " held the stare for like at least 10 seconds. She blushed, smiled a little bit, but left her chair in a embarassed way. looked at me before going out of the cafe.

tl;dr : tried the Apocalpyse opener, ended up looking like an idiot alone in a cafe.

Any suggestions ?

EDIT : It does seem to have some effect though, so I'm sure a aPUA with more inner game and experience can pull it off. I'm still a recovering AFC..

Ledatru · 2010-08-06T13:32:53+00:00

I've tried Apocalayptic Opener in both day and night situation. I said it alpha as hell too, because I truly didn't give a shit. No apologies, 100%, just straight up super assertive.

During the day, they girls reacted like it was a joke. I stayed in my frame and just asked them where they were from and they thought I knew one of the other girls or something. They were actually pretty receptive but I ejected because I wanted to keep trying it out on other people.

I did it again during the day at a fast food restaurant with 2 girls, and they said, "Um, you need to leave. Like immediately."

So I stayed and stood my ground but they seemed pretty pissed so I left.

I did it at a night club once and the girls basically looked at each other and got up and left

apocalyptic · 2010-08-06T12:19:46+00:00

Also on the topic of direct game, I read or watched an experiment somewhere where a guy goes up to women and asks "wanna fuck?"

The result was 30+ slaps and/or rejections before 1 said "okay, let's go". I can't find the clip or recall where I saw it otherwise I'd post it.

2010-08-06T13:42:54+00:00

I remember the dude who came up with "The Apocalypse Opener" says it's like a 1 in 10 success rate--so 10%--when you have enough confidence to first try it out. After that it goes up to about 30% if you're really smooth. That's not bad.

I think the real value of it is building your own confidence in asking for what you want. After a while you see that asking a stranger to fuck didn't get you killed or arrested or humiliated so the anxiety goes away.

I haven't tried it yet, still working on other things.

Synroc · 2010-08-06T09:58:01+00:00

As Apocalyptic said, frame is much more important in direct game. If you make one small fucking minisculle AFC/wussy-like behaviour, be it a stutter, or looking at the floor for 1 nanosecond, you're over.

EDIT : OH MY GOD, just read the Apocalypse opener. Definitely going to try it tonight and post a FR when I get back.

Tiddes · 2010-08-08T18:09:13+00:00

This is interesting. I had a conversation about this kind of approach with a friend yesterday evening. Neither of us are in the Game, and we were not aware of the Direct Game.

A bit of background. He's a dear friend of mine and a real nutcase. Among many a vice he frequently indulges in, are regular visits to some of the finest houses of ill repute. And in his own words, this has completely skewed his mode of interaction with non-professional ladies.

If he had anything of a game going on, I'm sure that dubbing it 'direct' would be an understatement. I mean, this guy is brutal, within seconds of initiating interaction, he will compliment the lady's 'beautiful breasts' or 'fantastic ass' or 'complain' about not being able to 'tame his erection' etc. He can often get away with it, because he is charming, has fantastic energy, and laughs all the time. So yeah, I guess he's a natural.

I need to stress that he never opens with it, but as soon as the communication is established, you can bet that he'll start with his super-direct 'game'.

And the thing we were commenting on yesterday evening was the feedback he was getting. A lot of girls like it.

Analyzing it, I'm guessing those that don't fancy him will think he's just crazy and accept it as a joke. But for those that do, he immediately sets the frame for their future interaction, and the frame is: sex.

mynewname · 2010-08-06T12:46:40+00:00

You can't hit on a girl before she's attracted to you. This is why Direct Game isn't taught that much. The very act of being direct has to be sufficient to pique her interest quickly AND somehow convey enough information about you for the girl to not be nervous about it. It's a lot easier for most of us to just show up innocuously, attract her with some DHV, and then hit on her.

frempaway · 2010-08-06T16:49:49+00:00

I sometimes use direct, but thinking about it most of those girls have the "girl next door" look. I don't think this type of girls have been asked out a lot. Or been asked out, but have turned down a lot of 'nice guys' They blush and feel happy. It's like being totally honest upfront.
"You're cute and attractive, let's get together sometime" ala Zan Perrion charming approach.

On another note of being direct check out Mode One Amazon, Google Books, PDF download

Being direct skips a lot of steps in the m3 model... not many of Mystery fans will enjoy.

philosarapter · 2010-08-06T13:41:55+00:00

I normally deal with direct game, because its really hard to tell if I am serious or not and I use this to my advantage often.

The trick is to keep a straight face but also have the expression which makes it seem like you are offering the chance of a life time. It helps if you also have multiple wingmen go in before hand and talk very highly of you to the point of legend. My friends only refer to me as "King ______" and I often have them carry me around on their shoulders when I dont feel like walking [Oh yeah, I should point out my ego is bit out of control, but you can't get more alpha than king!]. Anyway, I let the minions build the rapport then once the girl starts going on about how shes 'heard so much about me'. I just tell her I have a few minutes to spare to separate man from myth.

I know this post comes off like I'm a total prick... but its because I am lol.

But direct game is all about ego, eye contact and strong body language. You want to give her the idea that she just blew your mind with her beauty and now you are inexplicably driven to get to know her.

Title	Direct Game
Author	frempaway
Upvotes	18
Comments	67
Date	August 6, 2010 7:03 AM UTC (15 years ago)
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