A buddy reached out for some girl advice. Situation was this:
He is moving to SF to start a new phase of his life. Before getting in he visited and hooked up with an old crush.
She invited him out to a party at her company. Then uninvited him a few days later, citing some thin excuse.
He saw her later to watch a movie and they didn’t touch. It was awkward. She admitted after to friend zoning him because he is in a “transition phase.” He wants to date her and asks me what to do...
Charlie
she is all over the place, from one day to the next she wants it or she doesnt
B----
haha
sounds about right.
Charlie
and if you ride her wave, its gonna suck and at the end there will be a crash
whether you date her and it blows up
or she just strings you along
so you need to set some standards for your interactions
which is just clearly saying
“this is what I'll tolerate”
“if thats not cool with you, no sweat, we just shouldnt spend time watching movies together”
if you follow her every whim
come watch a movie ....
come to the party....
no dont....
its very needy
and very unnattractive
B----
how do i get back to dictating things
Charlie
you just do
you set your boundaries in your own head
then you share them with her
you say, i’m cool with:
not seeing one another
seeing one another and hooking up
being just friends
but i'm not cool with this back and forth movie watching
(or you’ll say whatever your answers truly are)
B----
but what if she is being honest. what if she does like me but is being mature and trying not to get involved in my situation (transition phase, etc)
Charlie
if you play the "whenever you're ready" game, it will never work
neediness is like the plague
people run from it
if you set standards
you have a legitimate shot
because that is confident and attractive
B----
i so agree. and unfort, thats been my weakness in this situation bc i just moved here
Charlie
dude
you can go out and meet a cool girl any weekend
forget that
any day
walking the steet
when this girls senses you have an abundance of women in your life she'll be clawing to date you
transition phase be damned
B----
but how the f do i show that, just short of telling her. its not like we frequent the same bars often
Charlie
you live it
the reason you don’t know how to act it is because you're not there in your head
you keep thinking "how do i get this girl"
you don’t have abundance
if you were meeting cool hot girls every day, would you sweat this one?
would you go watch a movie and let shit just be awkward?
B----
probably not.
Charlie
exactly
you'd hang out with her when you had time, between your other dates and then if shit got awkward you'd be like: hey i don't want this arrangement, we can be friends or date, but I don't feel like waiting around watching awkward movies and being uninvited to parties because I'm new in town
B----
are these things you say through actions or do you explicitly come out and say it?
Charlie
both
I'd have a very candid conversation the next time
and be willing to "lose" her
if you're not willing to lose her, you aren't setting real boundaries in your life
and that's super unattractive, not to mention bad for your own self-esteem
stepping back
i think an issue that is causing a lot of problems is that you have a bit of a philosophy of scarcity when it comes to dateable girls right now you are new in town
she is the only one you feel like is a prospect
so you feel like it NEEDS to work with her
B----
yes, but more importantly, i am genuinely attracted to her.
Charlie
https://www.google.com/search?q=population+of+san+francisco&oq=population+of+san+francisco&aqs=chrome..69i57.3753j0j1&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8
half of those are girls
B----
hahahaha
Charlie
there are thousands of single attractive girls in SF
the scarcity you are placing on this girl is undeserved
B----
but the girls here aren't that hot either
Charlie
how often do you see a hot one?
one a day walking in the street? one every few days?
B----
once a day
Charlie
your best strategy is to haul ass after that one a day
imagine if you approached the one hottie a day for 2 weeks and say 5 had BFs, 5 said no, and 4 wound up going on dates with you
B----
fuck. the problem is that i actually don't think she is mature enough. she's 24 and although professionally successful, she still plays games. its clear
Charlie
i buy that
but trust me on this
she only plays games with people who let her
you get the behavior you tolerate from other people
if you draw a line and mean it, one of two things happens she stops playing game: awesome
or she keeps playing them and you walk: you're better off
B----
haha. fuck. got to be willing to lose it all to win everything.
lets the fun begin!
Charlie
one last thing
B----
yeah sep?
Charlie
seriously
go talk to the hotties
that will get your head in the right place
then you wont feel like you can
"lose it all"
B----
dude, i am an the shyest fucker you will meet
its tough. i can do it when I'm wasted
Charlie
your call man, but otherwise you're at the whim of the girls you know and the ones you meet when shitfaced
we're talking about 100lb girls here
not bullets
no physical threat
just anxiety
your call
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