13,000 upvotes on Reddit's largest feminist subreddit downplaying men's issues and attacking MRAs for believing that misandry is real (while relying on the apex fallacy). But remember it's only fringe extremist feminists who have these views. TRUE feminists take men's issues seriously! /s

Forgetaboutthelonely · 2021-08-21T21:03:32+00:00

These men in power are not like normal everyday men, so there is no reason to assume their decision will benefit men in general

Also, Science:

People think men favour double standards that favour men but they don't.

gratis_eekhoorn · 2021-08-21T19:00:34+00:00

It's technically not even a feminist subreddit it's just a subreddit for women that has over 13 million members but hey the problem is only a tiny group of radical feminists right? /s

Darkkujo · 2021-08-21T20:32:16+00:00

I don't get their stat about how most millionaires and billionaires are men, aren't most of these men married? Then their wives are millionaires and billionaires too, likely even if they divorce them like the former Mrs. Bezos and Gates. It's just like how they never want to admit they were any upper class women in any era in history who had it better than the average man.

AmiablePenguin · 2021-08-21T20:22:30+00:00

People don't realise how genuinely sexist the mental health system/process is for men. The idea of victim blaming when we try to open up is fucking dumb horseshit.

If a woman gets sexually harassed, the last thing she wants to hear is, "it's your fault for dressing that way." Or for exposing that part of the body, or for posing suggestively, or anything.

Victim blaming doesn't help women in that scenario, how the fuck would it help men when we're trying to open up? Do these people not realise how utterly dense, braindead and dumb they're being by placing the blame on us?

First of all, how dare you? How were we as men to know the issue we're facing would last this long in the first place? No one can ever predict that. We feel guilty for having the issue, for facing it, for being a victim of it. That's our first roadblock mentally in admitting it. That it makes us less of a man, which sadly, a lot of feminists still perpetrate.

There are some days we wake up and think we're having a bad day, but it will be over tomorrow. And it sometimes is. And sometimes it isn't. Takes a little longer to clear out of the system. A few days, a week, maybe a month or two. And suddenly we wake up one day and realize it's still here. We've just blindly normalised ourselves to it in our lives. We never saw this coming, we just thought it would take time to go away.

And when we finally deem you worthy to trust you with this, the first thing you do is blame us? Seriously? You discompassionate creature. "Well you should have gone to therapy straightaway", or, "this is why men should open up more."

A problem I have with modern feminists is that they think they understand men completely and yet their conversations with us completely prove otherwise. True feminists wouldn't make it this hard in the first place, because they would actually be shocked that men can feel this way because of these things in the first place. Instead, you just want to be right to make you feel better about yourself when deep down you know haven't done anything to help. And so you shift the blame onto us so that you feel lighter.

helloiseeyou2020 · 2021-08-21T19:24:26+00:00

Ahhh the projection

"hurdur they think we live in a matriarchy"

Nope. Youre the one insisting on tribalist absolutism with absolutely no nuance - NOT me.

Im perfectly capable of noticing that the majority of extremely negative outcomes (being homeless, assaulted, murdered, poor and without a social safety net, dying young, dying at war, dying on the job, killing yourself) happen to men ... and also noticing, for example, the abhorrent coordinated attack on abortion rights a couple years ago.

Two things can be true. Heaven forbid the thought of acknowledging that though

peanutbutterjams · 2021-08-21T21:28:06+00:00

Just outright statements that men's issues don't matter there.

And men do choose higher-paying job. People don't pay men more because they're men. WHY would they? Men don't have an in-group bias and capitalists don't voluntarily raise people's wages.

There's no rational basis to the claim.

The "women were programmers and weren't paid much until make become programmers" is disingenuous because when women were primarily programmers, it was just data entry. It wasn't anything close to the job of "programmer" today.

Finally, considering that 25,000 people died today from needless starvation, that thread is just a big pile of "I too want to exploit the global poor for profit!" without an ounce of class consciousness.

p_and_q · 2021-08-21T21:15:19+00:00

Wow! Look at that headline. “Hey look at this tiny spot on the bell curve guys! I’ve got stats!” Meanwhile for the female issues she uses all generalized statements. “Female employment is falling” “violence against women are rising”. Falling faster then men’s? Rising faster then men’s? No one should have to be the victim of violence but with that said, men are still far more likely to be physically assaulted then women. This is total bs, binary think.

Badgerz92 · 2021-08-21T18:50:23+00:00

We keep hearing from feminists that "true feminism" takes men's issues seriously and that it's only the fringe extremists who think that misandry isn't real or that men don't have real issues. And yet we still see feminists attacking MRAs just because MRAs know that men and women both have issues and that we need to address men's and women's issues in order to have real equality.

LettuceBeGrateful · 2021-08-21T21:14:07+00:00

Men committing suicide, falling behind in school, and having fewer legal rights than women in many developed nations:

"Men are just angry at women!"

I'd say nice strawman, but unfortunately it's not just a strawman, it's an international narrative.

Bergensis · 2021-08-21T20:11:57+00:00

Why is it always the subs that show up before you subscribe to anything that are the worst shitholes?

Interesting-Bug-6048 · 2021-08-21T20:39:53+00:00

"Men still run 89% of countries." That's a dog whistle, their problem is men.

Men are always expected to pay for everything. Go into any honest female only space and you'll see the majority of comments in those online places are obsessed with objectifying men based on their money, height and job, gross. It's literally men working their entire lives because that's the only way they're going to earn any sort of worth or have any value.

And, in which country are women expected to provide for their family AND their partner? What about even a %50 of cases where the woman was the provider? What country? And the partner specifically seeks 6 figures, or the guy takes the women's house and finances upon divorce? Where is that happening en masse? Is it men or women who are checking out of society and marriages because everything was made to exploit them, cause they'll lose all their money? Where do you see women advising each other not to marry at all costs, because the guy will steal all of their money upon divorce?

Who were all those people who killed themselves due to economic pressure and the meaningless of working their entire lives to be the provider, then work for a car, then work for a house and who checked out at 18-23 and wrote in their suicide notes that it was just a meaningless life of slavery and work? If anything, men are stopping other men due to competition, not you.

If you want more women to even have a reason to reach top positions maybe start with the unfair exploiting and milking of men's resources. Stealing the guy's money in divorce or simply marrying a rich guy and taking an easy way out without having to work themselves is a go-to for a certain percentage, maybe start adressing that too.

On top of that, how many women desire leadership positions and how many men desire nursing positions? They fail to realize that this is a much bigger factor than the things they're complaining about. "The successful" are not wasting their time complaining about men and going on sexist rants about how "men still run this % of countries" as if they were simply given those positions. Nobody's handing out free positions because of their gender. Sounds like this is their expectation, and is lazy as hell. They'll rush to feminism to make gender quotas just for them. What does that tell about how feminism treats women?? They're trying to force-hire women based on their gender and not merit, and congratulate the women's gender when she gets hired. This is what these people want?

For those positions you need to work for possibly decades and beat all the other competition, compete better, but no, these people have already given up. If you look in the workplace a mere accusation destroys random men's jobs and lives, you have gender quotas, HR ignores male workers' complaints about sexual harassment and fires men on command, like goddamn. These people are in it just to complain and be handed out free shit just like a crying toddler. I've been denied from literal industry positions because they only hired women, but the opposite never happens. They are as clueless as it gets.

SauceBozs · 2021-08-22T03:54:03+00:00

It’s incredibly sad how hateful they are towards men

Threwaway42 · 2021-08-22T00:40:06+00:00

The bad faiths who posted that spammed it fucking everywhere

mimiczx · 2021-08-22T06:09:19+00:00

FDS Lite

hostergaard · 2021-08-25T10:19:36+00:00

There is 195 countries in the world, so about 0.000004% of men are running running countries compared to 0.0000007% of women which is a difference of 0.0000033% of which the total population of men and women are leaders of countries.

There is 2,755 billionaries around the world. 0.00006% male and 0.000009 female. A difference of 0.000051%.

Do I need to continue? Men does not rule the world. Men are not privileged. Rich people are. Powerful people are. But not men. This goes on and on for all the stats listed that are true (Most are just false, or also outright misleading, for example the STEM one exclude all the stem fields women dominates. Why? I don't know, I guess they needed to do manipulate the data to fit their narrative. If you include them there is actually more women in STEM than men. Same for the violence ones that forgets that women are actually more violent in relationships and for jobless more men actually lost jobs than women).

What they are doing here is called the apex fallacy. Looking at a tiny to the point of near non-existence group and the difference there and assuming its applicable to the population at large. If you ned to see if a society misandrist, or misgonist society you need to look at the large majority at the bottom, not the extremely tiny minority at the top. Lets do that, shall we?A quick google search tells me that there is about 100 millions people who are homeless. Of which about 80% is males. That is 80 million more male homeless than females. Something they conveniently left out in the litany of grudges, cause I guess it did not fit the narrative they wanted to push. Or to use the percentage example, rounded of 2% of men and 0.5% for a difference of 1.5%.

So you are gonna tell me, that something that affects less than a millionth of a percentage of men (and women), 0.000004%, is a important and valid indicator of privilege of men and misogyny. And that what what affects over 2 percent, 2.xxxx%, more than million times more of the male (and female) population is completely irrelevant and not a valid indicator of lack of privilege and misandry? Really?

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iainmf · 2021-08-22T06:04:46+00:00

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Richardsnotmyname · 2021-08-25T10:16:25+00:00

Who even is the "true feminist"?

Are Swedish feminist organizations making funds for false accusers not the real feminist?

Are Indian feminist who lobbied for rape laws to exclude men not the real feminist?

Are prominent celebrities and activists online not the real feminist?

Are the feminist who lobbied the FBI to exclude men from rape statistics not the real feminist?

Are feminist social media account enabling or spreading misandry not the real feminist?

But a nobody reddit user online, are the real feminist?

kitteneos · 2021-08-21T23:36:08+00:00

Not a feminist sub.

Bugu4787 · 2021-08-22T12:37:47+00:00

If you advocate for men rights and vote democratic then you are in denial. They are the ones pushing this agenda forward. If you pay for peanuts don’t complain that you got squirrels.

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