Rape redefined in New York. Very specifically avoids allowing women on man rape to exist by definition.

ImSorryItsAnonymous · 2013-07-07T03:55:19+00:00

Reposting this as a top level comment as a few threads in here are working on the assumption of the title and contents of the article, which are in conflict with the actual contents of the bill.

I was curious of this as well and so I dug it up. It's Senate Bill S06877 http://legiscan.com/NY/text/S06877/id/622188 and Assembly Bill 3339 http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A03339&Summary=Y&Text=Y . The law that's being modified is Article 130 of New York Penal Law, available at http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article130.htm . My understanding from the wording is the definition is changed as follows (pulled from the Senate Bill, Assembly Bill is much more verbose):

3 14. "CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT" MEANS SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, ORAL SEXUAL 4 CONDUCT, ANAL SEXUAL CONDUCT OR AGGRAVATED SEXUAL CONTACT.

And based on this wording, I'm inclined to say that this is a huge win for men as it includes forced oral and anal sex as rape as well as intercourse (previous definition would have excluded male-on-male instances of rape). I'm actually a huge fan of the definition, it is as inclusive and gender/victim neutral as I've seen so far.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-07-06T20:04:00+00:00

I guess they're still working on it, isn't that right severe redheaded woman?

Not_A_PedophiIe · 2013-07-06T21:38:33+00:00

Very specifically avoids allowing women on man rape to exist...

Isn't this a good thing? Women won't be allowed to rape men anymore.

Norph00 · 2013-07-06T18:58:17+00:00

From the article:

The so-called “rape is rape” bill would classify vaginal, anal and oral contact as rape.

There is also a video.

So touching but not penetrating a vagina is now considered rape. Meanwhile a girl can have sex with a man against his will and it is still not considered rape.

Sovietrussia92 · 2013-07-07T00:51:04+00:00

God I hate modern society. I really need to stop coming here before my computer screen is broken.

cutcoguru · 2013-07-06T23:35:50+00:00

This law definitely seems to have a glaring and hypocritical blind-spot with how the article describes it. The fact that it neglects to mention unwanted penile contact, does definitely suggest that male victims have been ignored yet again, even though as studies such as the 2010 NIPSVS prove, when you do keep track of forced penetration, you can quite easily find you have similar numbers of male and female vaginal-based-rape victims. I say "can easily wind up with" because to my knowledge, the NIPSVS is the only longitudinal based study that has actually examined it in any substantial manner.

Victory_Disease · 2013-07-06T20:51:20+00:00

Is this correct? I was under the impression that present NY law regarding rape counted nonconsensual PIV sex as rape, and nonconsensual anal or oral sex as "criminal sexual misconduct" or whatever rubbish. See Rape in the First Degree, New York State Penal Code §130.35:

A person is guilty of rape in the first degree when he or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person:

By forcible compulsion; or

Who is incapable of consent by reason of being physically helpless; or

Who is less than eleven years old; or

Who is less than thirteen years old and the actor is eighteen years old or more.

Sexual intercourse being defined as "having its ordinary meaning" (fairly clear that considering the definition of oral/etc, means PIV sex).

In conclusion: does anyone have a link to the exact wording of the new law? NY is one of the states with a gender neutral rape statute, AFAIK.

golemsheppard · 2013-07-06T21:42:12+00:00

I am confused. Your position is that reclassifying rape to include vaginal, anal, or oral contact against ones will would disadvantageously affect men whom are victims of sexual assault by women? I dont see how there is a specific definition that precludes prosecution of a women for forcefully making contact with a man with her vagina, anus, or mouth, or even his anus or mouth. Would anyone care to elaborate their position here?

AndrewLevin · 2013-07-07T11:41:48+00:00

Title is not misleading. The new law excludes female perpetrators.

Crimson_D82 · 2013-07-07T13:26:08+00:00

The so-called “rape is rape” bill would classify vaginal, anal and oral contact as rape.

The latter two, under current state law, are considered criminal sexual conduct, but not rape -- a distinction some victims say lessens the perceived severity of the crime even though it carries the same penalties.

The bill also would only require that vaginal contact be proven for rape, instead of the current standard of penetration.

Whoever put the flair on this needs their mod status removed.

Title	Rape redefined in New York. Very specifically avoids allowing women on man rape to exist by definition.
Author	Norph00
Upvotes	205
Comments	100
Date	July 6, 2013 6:45 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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