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Female Italian pornstar suggests that the solution to the #MeToo problem is for women to "give it away way more". As long as sex is a scarce resource it will always be treated as a commodity to exchange for power.

alberc

January 5, 2018

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Title	Female Italian pornstar suggests that the solution to the #MeToo problem is for women to "give it away way more". As long as sex is a scarce resource it will always be treated as a commodity to exchange for power.
Author	alberc
Upvotes	65
Comments	153
Date	January 5, 2018 6:14 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7o9bsq/female_italian_pornstar_suggests_that_the/
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which is completely ridiculous.

Have you ever heard of bonobos? They solve most of their problems with sex. As in: problem? Let's have sex. By the time the male chimp is done, he forgets that there was a problem in the first place. We share about 99 percent of our DNA with bonobos.

Her statement certainly seems ridiculous, and to a certain extent it is, but the reality is that we would have world peace overnight if women acted as she suggests. Men wouldn't need to embrace "toxic masculinity" and endlessly fight and compete to score poon. There would be no more discrimination based on superficial characteristics like wealth. It's not politically correct to say, but she is technically correct. It reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Lionel Hutz imagines a world without lawyers and everyone is holding hands with a big rainbow in the background. (He shudders). There's also a brilliant Shohei Imamura film called The Ballad of Narayama where a woman's father demands she have sex with every man in the village in order to stabilize their society.

I'm not saying for a second that women should be forced to do as this porn actress suggests. And in fact, the likelihood of it happening is approximately zero. But it's a fun mental experiment: pretty much everything that feminists complain about would disappear overnight if women took the initiative and just fucked everyone.

Edit: holy shit, my most downvoted post: this is what happens when you ask that women contribute to world peace. LMAO.

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[+]Demolition_Menz -24 points-23 points-22 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Hey, I didn't suggest women should be forced to do as the author suggests. Just that that whole "toxic masculinity" thing would disappear if they did so.

You're reacting to the suggestion emotionally. Try thinking about it rationally.

If the precondition for sex was that a man be really good at walking on his hands, all men would be walking around on their hands. Maybe only a few men would be walking around on their feet.

That is power. So like it or not, females have absolutely enormous power. And yes, technically, females could create world peace overnight if they deigned to fuck "losers."

That is never going to happen, because we have more chimp DNA than Bonobo DNA, but it's a fun thought experiment.

Apparently you missed the part where I said that under no circumstances should women be forced to do X, Y and Z.

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So let me get this straight; a woman who uses sex as a commodity to work as a prostitute, thinks that we should make sex no longer a commodity? Tell me, is she out there enthusiastically fucking and sucking undesirable men to do her part? No, she isn't because that'd make her whole career pointless.

And women do have sex. They have it a lot. They just aren't having it with undesirable (i.e. most) men because they don't have to. Sex is only scarce for the majority of men that aren't desirable enough, while the desirable ones have it in abundance. The only way those undesirable men can have sex is by offering a short term transfer of resources (prostitution, whether it's money or a position that is exchanged), or long term transfer through marriage (in which a long term guarantee to sex is promised, even if not delivered, in exchange for long term access to resources like money). Why would women have sex with men they aren't attracted to just to protect other women they don't know? Nobody is that altruistic, as we can see by this lady not putting her money where her mouth is.

Even if this works, which it would, it wouldn't happen in a thousand years. Sex is far too valuable a resource for women to use against undesirable men in exchange for their resources.

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ppl treat you differently when your number is high and lots of people still associate commitment with a lower body count.

That is because those women are worth less with a high body count. More STDs, more mental issues, less likely to pair bond, etc etc. The #metoo problem won't be solved by having more sex, since its not sex thats the issue. The issue is false reporting and women turning all interactions a man has into a media shit storm to get a settlement.

Simply having way more sex will just increase the claims, after all most of these #metoo claims had no sex involved! Imagine how much worse it would be with actually including sex this mess would be. #Metoo is a sign of the times, where women are whoring it up to get ahead of the rat race and than turn around and claim they are innocent girls in the path of a massive patriarchal boner that won't take no for an answer.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

To all the people downvoting this comment:

This is actually backed up by statistics from highly regarded institutions, look up the correlation between partner count and divorce rate (I'm on my phone right now or I'd do it). It's wayyyyyy higher when you breach 20 partners (in the 80% range), but it is higher after even 2 partners. Also STDs are obviously a problem, I'm not sure how you could refute that.

Promiscuous sex will be identified as a problem in the future, I guarantee it.

It's unfortunate that people are knee-jerk reacting to just calling you a sexist when you make actual legitimate and verifiable arguments.

Women who have a higher partner count are worth less to any potential partner, they're statistically far less likely to be loyal. This is backed up by a good amount of evidence.

A much more reasonable solution to me than "just be a bunch of sluts" would be legalized prostitution.

[–]Bestoftherest222 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Ironically enough it seems people missed the MOST IMPORTANT point I was trying to make. That being more sex isn't the issue, the issue is women eagerly using the legal system and social media to leverage false claims to gain settlements. More sex will result in more lawsuits, since its women who are complaining that "You look nice today" is sexist and requires a payout. Imagine what sex between the two people would result in?

I can tell you, it will result in a rape claim and it will be supported by the other whores that fucked that dude. More sex won't help this mess it will only add fuel to the fire. Since feminists are constantly moving the goal post on what is or isn't rape/sexual harassment etc.

For instance

One of these #metoo claims is about a female who eagerly sucked off Wiensteins cock to get a big movie role and now that she is a dried up husk of a women she wants to file a complaint. This complaint is based off the "Power dynamic" because she felt compelled to lap up his seed to get a role, granted she was all to eager to do it but it was the "POWER DYNAMIC" that made her do it so enthusiastically. Wienstein got tons of sex from tons of A list women, look at him now. See where more sex got him decades later.

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Your minor is evolutionary biology but then I'm confused about how you can say that there are lots of monogamous animals as even swans and others birds have been proven to not be sexually monogamous and only socially monogamous. New technology that has allowed the tracking of these animals shows that even animals in a socially monogamous relationship that were previously thought to also be sexually manogomaous in fact went around and had sex with other couples. Look up the book "the myth of monogamy", goes very în depth on the biology of monogamy.

Society isn't dependent on sexual monagamy, it's dependent on social monogamy. If sexual monogamy isn't possible, and it has always been something humanity has at least struggled with, then maybe we should in fact consider open relationships as the right course of action.

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Lol, that doesn't preclude monogamy. Here's a huge misconception, something people don't understand about monogamy. It does not mean you never seperate from your partner, what it does mean is you only MATE with one partner.

If you look up statistics on men who have kids after a divorce from someone who they've already had kids with, you'll see what I mean. The number is insanely low.

For women it's different, they have a biological imperative to find a provider so if they deem their man unsuitable or he dies, they'll find another. Some women are just flat out broken and can't bond with a man.

Just because it isn't a perfect monogamous system doesn't mean humans aren't heavily predisposed towards monogamy, and just because it's enforced socially doesn't mean it doesn't have heavy biological undertones.

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I said we evolved to be predisposed towards monogamy, pretty different. I actually agree with most of what you say, but some things you've got wrong. Like I said in another comment, you don't understand what monogamy actually means. It does not mean not having sex with other people for fun, what monogamy means is mating with only one partner, aka having kids. Men will very very rarely have kids with a second woman, and women will slightly more frequently have kids with a second man.

The rest of the stuff I definitely agree with you on, it's a lot more complex than just saying "humans are monogamous." It's by no means a perfect monogamy, and hypergamy from women throws a massive wrench in the whole system.

But at the end of the day monogamy is absolutely the best situation for kids and for the future of society, and moving towards sexual promiscuity is going to cause our society to decline heavily over time. This is exactly what happened with the Roman empire.

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Men build up their own self esteem and self confidence by smashing down women's. He is not a slut when he sleeps around, he is a winner & all his bro's pat him on his back applauding his hollow victory. When he says no, its the end of the conversation, when she says no, it's the beginning of a challenge for him to over come.

Men don't see women as people the same as themselves, they see them as prey to hunt down and punch and maul and tear into.

This is why women do not have safe spaces but cages where men have cornered them in and men are really wolves at the door.

Men want victories over women, men want to smash women into the ground and stomp all over them because it's the very thing that boosts men's own self esteem and stature in the eyes in their equally vain cowardly self concerned bro's. ..STATUS MANHOOD.

Men's history is nothing more than the history of a bunch of rapist thugs and scurrilous violent viscous villains. Laws may alter but men never change.

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That's exactly why women as suffragettes clamored for a high age of consent to punish males for lowing female sexual value in the 1800-1900s.

Because women's value isn't tied to their vaginas right? /s

We still believe virginity is a thing. Why?

We take attacks on women's sexuality (assault, rape) SO serious that we'll imprison innocent men. When men get raped by women, we laugh. Why? Because women's sexuality has value and men's sexuality doesn't.

How about a man having sex with a 15 year old girl. Let's cut his balls off and hope he gets raped in prison right? At least he'll receive 5-20 years prison.

How about a woman? Comments of "lucky boy" and "this is no crime", and the woman gets 1 year prison, if that, or simply probation.

Because female sexuality isn't considered something of value, right?

No, we punish the man because he lowered the teen girl's value.

Let me remind you that when suffragettes were so angry about the age of consent in the late 1800's, they sought to raise it but not to include males. You could still find yourself a 12-13 year old male and do whatever the fuck you wanted to them.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-teen-rape-double-standard

The disparity in the punishment of these 17-year-olds, both accused of having sex with the 14-year-olds they were dating, goes much deeper. Haasch charged Alan with a Class C felony, which, according to court records obtained by The Daily Beast, carries a maximum prison sentence of 40 years. Norma, on the other hand, was charged only with a misdemeanor, which carries a maximum sentence of nine months in jail.

To put it short, 17 year old male has sex with 14 year old female. He could get 40 years. 17 year old female has sex with 14 year old male. She could only get 9 months max.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/01/04/fremont-former-high-school-who-had-sex-with-student-may-avoid-jail/

Here's another example. She committed felonies and may serve no time in jail or prison at all. Would the same be said for a man?

When you start thinking with your large brain instead of your small one (where you want to 'white knight' by saying 'lets stop calling women sluts and saying they have less worth, okay guys, geez'), in the hopes that by defending the whaaminz and trying to change mating habits, you'll get access to one as well, you realize that society has been telling us "women have sexual value, and it is diminished by spreading around, men have NO sexual value, and it is increased BY spreading around" for over a century.

The evolutionary reasons for this is obvious if you watch and Jordan Peterson.

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I think you're going on a massive tangent here. I'm simply stating that we shouldn't value women less for having more partners. It's not me white knighting (lmao, white knighting on men's rights, that should get me laid), it's just that I think women should enjoy the freedoms that I do.

And yeah, there is a major discrepancy between men and women when it comes to having sex with underage boys or girls. That is wrong. But let's take things one at a time and not all link them to the simple notion that an adult should be able to choose as many partners as they want without "losing value".

When you start thinking with your large brain instead of your small one (where you want to 'white knight' by saying 'lets stop calling women sluts and saying they have less worth, okay guys, geez'), in the hopes that by defending the whaaminz and trying to change mating habits, you'll get access to one as well

This is by the way completely unnecessary and doesn't lead to pleasant discourse.

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I completely agree with this but for women to do this, they need to stop being slut shamed and viewed as less than for having multiple sex partners. Unfortunately, ppl treat you differently when your number is high and lots of people still associate commitment with a lower body count.

Women slut shame each other more than men, because its a way of knocking their competitors down the female dominance hierarchy.
Slut shaming is about women riding the Cock Carousel only of chads.

Lets rephrase her words: "if women would be willing to fuck any guy, the #metoo problem would go away".

Now, a lot of people would say "WTF you're saying all women should be sluts and fuck every guy". No. Any is not every. It means that women would view all men as decent recipients.

This italian pornstar is actually saying exactly what I troll omegle with. Like practically word for word. I think she's read my work. calling plagiarism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XYHPAwBzE

All evidence suggests that men fight over/due to women. Big surprise right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7nybyb/why_the_me_too_movement_is_offensive_to_me/ds6iy1q/

Here's me defending incels. Notice the links which equate sex availability with mental health.

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That's because statistically, the lower your partner count, the higher your likelihood of being a good long term mate. Once you top 10 partners, you're damaged goods in terms of a stable, long term relationship. Besides, you say this like some of us want this to happen. I'd rather a return to chastity and commitment than a hedonistic society where everyone fucks everyone all the time so sex is no longer a commodity.

And you say this like the only way its work is if all men had sex with all women. This could easily work if only a tenth of women had sex with all men. Sex is decomoditized, the majority of women are still chaste and suitable for marriage, and everyone is happy. Interestingly, this is more or less how a lot of ancient civilizations operated, where you'd have whores for pleasure, and wives for breeding.

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Long ago, probably in the 70s, I read a Psychology Today article about a comparison between two cultures, in two VERY different climates. One was in Ireland, where the population was declining because people weren't reproducing as fast as people were dying. The other sounded like a South Seas tropical paradise, where the upshot was that sex was EVERYWHERE. Women were giving it away freely, even to men that were were low on the alpha-beta scale. So, the question was, why was there so little sex for the Irish, and so much on this Pacific island? The people conducting the study put forward the hypothesis that THAT WOMEN HAD EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED, SO THEY DIDN'T NEED TO RATION SEX TO GET GOODS AND SERVICES FROM MEN.

As they say, there's no point in getting all worked up about the truth. But, it's very good to know what the truth is. Me, I lean more towards MGTOW, psychologically. I hear women complain about men, and about hard they have everything, and I think, "They need me more than I need them." Yes, sex is very nice, but lifelong servitude is too high a price to pay for it.

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If you google it you will see lots of article in psychology magazine. Also speaking form personal experience I am happiest when I am getting regular sex. But that might be because I am not interested in the long term relationship.

But keep in mind sex is not a relationship. So I go in only wanting sex not commitment or emotional connection. Hence we both get what we want so no reason to not be happy with getting what we want.

Granted if people sleep with other with the expectation of a relationship or emotional connection they will be let down. You repeat again and again not getting what you want than of course you would be unhappy.

Again people confuse sex and relationship. Sex is like the satisfaction of scratching an itch. It releases hormones that make you happy. You have more sex you get more happy.

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I have, but by that logic men are shamed for playing video games to the point where they don't feel comfortable playing them because there are articles saying they incite violence. While there are individual people and groups who shame men for watching porn it would be downright disingenuous to claim that "men are shamed for watching porn" because that implies that society as a whole is vehemently opposed to it, while the exact opposite is true. A man who does not watch porn would in all likelihood not feel comfortable admitting that to his male peers because of how wholly uncommon it it. Everyone would assume there was something wrong with him that caused him to not watch porn. Women are still being shamed for watching porn (although that is becoming less true every day and is debatably untrue among the younger generations), but men (grown men, not adolescents/teenagers) haven't been ostracized for watching porn in decades and I honestly don't understand how you can believe that we have.

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