Why the hate between red and blue?

CursedLemon · 2015-03-04T16:05:07+00:00

To say that the tension between TRP and BP is unwarranted is to say that the matters they disagree on are trivial.

UniversityofToronto · 2015-03-04T17:30:57+00:00

I would say most people on PPD are the moderates of either sub.

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Some on TRP may genuinely think that every aspect of it is true. When they say AWALT they really do think all woman are exactly like that.

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TBP (the subreddit) in general is a circle jerk: they have a predefined opinion of TRP and they find posts to try and fit that predefined opinion. To do that, they will cherrypick and create strawmen of TRP opinions (usually based off of obscure TRP posts).

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Alot of the purple pillers and TRPers here, I will say, have looked at TRP and seen that a lot of their analysis on social dynamics between men and woman is quite true in a lot of cases. They aren't 100% red because they're probably turned off by certain extreme aspects of TRP. .

The TBPers on here I would say are generally liberals who have had "pleasant" relationship experiences with LTRs. They, themselves, haven't been exposed to the dynamics that TRP describe (either because socially it did not occur around them, or they may have not noticed it) so they see TRP as strange or even untrue, as it does not conform with their experiences.

soylentblueissmurfs · 2015-03-04T19:38:58+00:00

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What is this?

boinko03 · 2015-03-04T15:35:17+00:00

Blue pillers dedicate their time to trolling and sarcastic replies on the blue and red pill sub reddits. They dedicate their time to arguing on the purple pill sub reddit. What they don't do is try to help people. They'd rather just take what red pillers say and exaggerate it to look ridiculous. Now don't get me wrong. There are some extreme red pillers that add fuel to the fire. But they're still trying to help people in their own way.

OccamsRaiser · 2015-03-04T15:47:56+00:00

The short answer is that anyone who feels compelled to identify with a colored pill ideology is a complete and utter moron. To accept an ideology and all of its tenants without questioning, testing or evaluating them is dumb. And ideological morons hate other ideological morons if they don't have the same moronic ideology.

The longer answer is that both sides try to package the positive, beneficial portions of their philosophies with the negative. TRP is totally correct that a man will be more appealing to women if he keeps himself in shape, doesn't rely on the attention of women to make him feel validated, etc. TBP (ignoring the fact that it's a satire sub) is totally correct that ignoring the needs of your partner is a bad idea and treating people like adult human beings rather than children or dogs is essential to building a healthy relationship.

You can accept all of these things together. They aren't diametrically opposed ideas. It's when people begin reinforcing bad notions to each other that it becomes a problem. You might get cheated on by your girlfriend; that's a legitimate possible outcome. It's not your job to try to understand why it happened or take the blame for it. It also isn't your job to assume that the asshole you just dated is the archetype of women, leading you to go on to be a dick to the next girl as punishment for what the last one did. But TRP self-reinforces by convincing you that you got cheated on not because she's an asshole, but because she's a woman.

Basically, two groups fighting over ideologies are the two least helpful groups to take relationship advice from. It's like expecting to get a realistic perspective on politics by asking the Republican and Democratic Presidential candidates.

OccamsRaiser · 2015-03-04T15:51:56+00:00

there is no hate "between" red and blue. TRP and RPW are sitting on their own subs minding their own beeswax and TBP hate reads us and makes a sub devoted to making fun of us. any "hatred" from red to blue is reactive and responsive. TBP trolls our sub and our users, though they seem to have a new toy with /r/marriedredpill now lol, and with good reason

esayer · 2015-03-04T17:32:45+00:00

I need the BP for eye bleach when I see the anti-woman rhetoric RP spouts. It helps when I know not everyone believes in RP idiocy.

MissPearl · 2015-03-04T20:51:42+00:00

Generally anyone who thinks I am a child, or at least should be treated like the oldest teenager in the house, has lost the baseline respect I usually give out.

My discussions are mostly just to try to understand a fundamentally alien world view.

taiboworks · 2015-03-04T16:21:43+00:00

why do people protest/satirize hate groups?

ThisSiteIsDumbAndBad · 2015-03-04T21:46:10+00:00

First off, you're creating a false dichotomy. There are not two groups.

There is one group, The Red Pill, and there is everyone else on earth.

The people you're identifying as "The Blue Pill" are almost always people who have an interest in either laughing at or arguing with people in "The Red Pill" group, so of course they don't get along.

When the stance of one group is "I believe women are not fully human" and the stance of the other is "Get aloada these morons!" there's not a whole lot of common ground.

saltinado · 2015-03-04T16:19:58+00:00

I think this is really insightful. I think that the middle of both groups are within arm's reach if they really stretch, but the outliers keep on jumping in the middle, waving their hands and causing general distraction.

EDIT: punctuation?

[deleted] · 2015-03-04T23:27:35+00:00

My take, the blue pill ideology believes in a toxic, apathetic ideal regarding masculinity. They sugarcoat and oversimplifying complicated self-help advice with "just be yourself" and essentially "you're fine just the way you are". They lack perspective on how the other sex perceives romantic relationships by making the broad assumption that "just being yourself" works as well for men as it does for women. Just be yourself does not work, at least not the way the blue pill believes.

Speaking from personal experience, "just be yourself" causes guys who are naturally assholes to be more of an asshole, because that's "who they are." Instead, men should accept who they are and not project negativity, or at least when they project emotion, they do so productively. For example, passive aggressive behavior in men implies the man lacks confidence in his opinions to be straight and forward with the recipient. Men who employ passive aggressive remarks are essentially lying to themselves.

This is just one example, the overriding reason behind TBP and TRP feud is due to fundamental misunderstanding on tone and meaning. Positive meaning all the time defeats the purpose of having variable emotion, which TBP wants men to continually restrict. TBP appeals to everyone, which inadvertently appeals only to women. Personally, I want a man who is strong and caring. TRP promotes mainly the first and implies the latter. Caring allows for mutual attraction, but TRP focuses more on sex than relationships - and for good reason - relationships are difficult and time consuming. Few real men are strong enough to put up with unreasonable women, let along call us out on our selfishness. So on and so forth.

The best parts of both are misconstrued by an imbalance in tone and meaning between the ideologies.

SoldierGenerale · 2015-03-04T15:42:36+00:00

Great post that touches on alot of the deeper underlying issues. If you want to get to the real root cause of the hate it's unhappiness.

People are unhappy in life and the little satisfaction they get from arguing and validating their beliefs or discrediting someone else's beliefs keeps them going.

lesslucid · 2015-03-05T06:30:32+00:00

1.) Why can most of you not just accept, that there are different points of view for every aspect of life? What works for me, does not necessarily works for most other guys/girls.

I think this is totally fine, so long as it doesn't involve unethical behaviour. "Some people think stealing is wrong, but I think it's totally OK. Why can't we just live and let live?"
Some people - including many women - strongly prefer to be in relationships with male-dominant dynamics. Other people hate those dynamics. For mutually agreed-on relationships between consenting adults, I think either is perfectly fine. But, when some men think that it's OK to behave in ways which they see as "normal, male-dominant" with people who see things differently, or who haven't consented, or who have explicitly said they dislike it, and then respond by going, "well, this is OK because men are meant to be dominant, and people saying they hate it are just going against the natural order, and the best response is to dominate ever harder", there's a wealth of potential for ethically fucked up shit to happen.

2.) Why is there always so much judgment about the other "pill"? No one knows the life story of another being as good as one self. Therefore we can't judge the other person for anything they do (as long as it's legal) or believe.

On the contrary, all of us judge other people for the things they say and do, all the time. I think it's sensible and advisable to try to be sensitive, patient, and compassionate in the way we exercise our judgment, but making judgments is part of what we do. I'm not going to assume anyone is ill-intentioned based on things they say here, but if someone advocates for behaviour that I think is bad, of course I'm going to respond by saying something about why I think that behaviour is bad and why the advocacy of it is bad, too.

3.) Why do you feel the need to prove your point to the other group? If I am really content with my situation, and think what I am doing is the right thing for me, I don't care what others say or think about me. I don't even argue with people who don't even try to get my point of view.

See above. If someone has a different point of view and is living a life that is different to mine, but they're happy and they're not causing any harm to others, more power to them. If all of the above is true except they are causing harm to others, then it's a different situation.

adrixshadow · 2015-03-05T08:46:49+00:00

Lets all join hands, the glorious TRP, the everybody hates moderates purples and the trolling blue pill betas.

And kill feminism, because we can all agree that is where it all got wrong.

To equality under law for all!

RichieFinn · 2015-03-06T12:49:44+00:00

One of the most important lessons that really brought more happiness and peace to my life is: Let people live the way they chose. If someone asks me for help, I'll try to better him/her from all my heart. But it's neither my duty nor my desire to convince everyone I'm right. Because I'm probably not.

Its hard when you know its someone who might be struggling and deserves better, and you can offer them an alternative which has some proven results, but they think you are crazy.

waylandertheslayer · 2015-03-05T00:57:06+00:00

Any group that calls me a child, simply because I'm female, I perceive as idiots. This is okay.

I don't even care about their 'amoral' sex shenanigans (as long as a woman isn't harmed).

But I consider them dangerous because of this:

Where they worry me is the emphasis they put on their 'alpha masculinity' being the thing that will keep a woman hanging onto them in a long term relationship. There is already enough hate and domestic violence directed against women in relationships. TRP beliefs are going to create even more of this.

Women are killed every single day by their husbands/boyfriends/ex's.

They're also creating a dissociation where a man might watch everything his gf/wife says or does, constantly watching her for evidence of her doing things that TRP says he should be concerned about.

What else could you do but hate your girlfriend/wife if you believed that their behavior is a direct reflection of how masculine you are - because she is always going to disappoint in some way. Women are only human. Not some kind of fembots.

It's similar to how men in some very patriarchal countries judge their own honor and their family's honor on how the women in their families conduct themselves.

It doesn't matter if TRP claims that they advocate non-violence against women. They're putting masculinity up against a woman's behavior. This is only asking for major trouble.

Example: Look at what this 'top endorsed' terper has to say about what women will do when you're rooly trooly 'alpha':

namae_nanka · 2015-03-04T15:54:08+00:00

blue pillers are SJW cultists, the amazing thing is that they can even comprehend RP. Somewhat.

chippetg · 2015-03-04T18:32:33+00:00

Terpers are ugly sexless neckbeards living in their parent's basement, living in a self-created fantasy where they are alpha-as-fuck and bitches actually want to have sex with them.

Bluepers are ugly sexless Tumblr migrants who scream about misogyny and feminism to cover the fact they have never even touched a penis.

They hate each other because they are so alike.

In all seriousness though, both groups have people who take their pill a little bit too seriously. People like to laugh at the MRA just as much as they like to laugh at the #SJW'.

Title	Why the hate between red and blue?
Author	puwahwah
Upvotes	19
Comments	110
Date	March 4, 2015 3:08 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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