Women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of domestic violence cases.

The odds ratio is 2.3:1.26, a difference of 1.04. This is also only referring to reciprocity. Basically it means that in reciprocal DV women are slightly more likely to escalate to physical violence but the study also shows that women are less likely to injure their partner than men regardless of who hits who first.

Claiming that the size difference is what keeps men from getting hurt is bs btw because women can be quite fierce even when considerably smaller than their opponent. It also does not state how much of that initiated violence is in defense of a perceived threat. (one does not have to be physically assaulted to physically defend, yes it can be confusing but it is the truth)

But the study also goes on to show that women are still more likely to be a victim of assault/rape by an intimate partner than men regardless of reciprocity by a ratio of 1.5million to 835,000.

A more in depth study needs to be done but no matter how many times you do the studies the numbers will always be skewed because some people will never report, others will false report and others will simply not realize that it is something reportable due to cultural standards, and in some cases the definitions are hazy at best.

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Claiming that the size difference is what keeps men from getting hurt is bs btw because women can be quite fierce even when considerably smaller than their opponent. It also does not state how much of that initiated violence is in defense of a perceived threat. (one does not have to be physically assaulted to physically defend, yes it can be confusing but it is the truth)

That's generally reflected in studies which show that when serious injuries occur it is usually the man who is seriously injured¹ and that women are also more likely to use weapons and subsequently be charged with crimes with the aggravated modifier² . This study³ also reaffirms that women are more frequent offenders and also cause serious injuries more often. It also seems to say that violent men are less violent towards intimate partners than they are otherwise (which isn't all that much to brag about still). There is also a lower perception of harm from the male viewpoint. That is being burned is seen as less severe for men, by men, than for women, by women⁴ .

¹ Buzawa, E. S., Austin, T. L., Bannon, J., & Jackson, J. (1992). Role of victim preference in determining police response to victims of domestic violence. In E. S. Buzawa, & C. G. Buzawa (Eds.), Domestic Violence: The Changing Criminal Justice Response CT: Auburn House: Westport.

² Brown, G. R. (2004). Gender as a factor in the response of the law-enforcement system to violence against partners. Sexuality and Culture, 8, 1−87.

³ Felson, R. B., & Cares, A. C. (2005). Gender and the seriousness of assaults on intimate partners and other victims. Journal of Marriage and Family, 67(5), 182−195.

⁴ Marshall, L. L. (1992). The severity of violence against men scales. Journal of Family Violence, 7, 189−203.

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I was quoted! I just realized today that I did my math wrong...apparently simple subtraction is beyond me. It should be:

49.7% of domestic violence is reciprocal.

50.3% of domestic violence is not reciprocal.

The study does NOT state that women are responsible for 70% of domestic violence

You're right, it says they are violent within 84.9% of domestic violence situations. They hold sole responsibility in 35.2% of the cases, and shared responsibility in 49.7% of the cases.

Now, this is making the assumption that "reciprocally violent" and "defended themselves" are not the same thing. If this study counted self defense as domestic violence then we really can't say anything beyond the non-reciprocally violent relationships.

Reciprocal partner violence does not appear to be only comprised of self-defensive acts of violence.

This line from the study makes me seriously wonder if they are including self defense in the 49.7%. I'm specifically wondering about the word "only" in that sentence. Self defense should be completely excluded from the 'reciprocal violence" number: DV with self defense only should be considered non-reciprocal.

It is followed by:

Several studies have found that men and women initiate violence against an intimate partner at approximately the same rate.

Which suggests that ultimately the percentages will probably work out the same way, but it's much less certain.

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Actually, I just looked at the study that this is a meta study of, so I can tell you how they determined their numbers!

The study is this one here.

Specifically, the questions asked are on this page. The specific part of the questionnaire regarding violence in relationships is Section 19, starting with Question 109.

109. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] have you threatened <PARTNER> with violence, pushed or shoved {HIM/ HER}, or thrown something at {HIM/ HER} that could hurt?

110. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] has <PARTNER> threatened you with violence, pushed or shoved you, or thrown something at you that could hurt?

111. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] have you slapped, hit, or kicked <PARTNER>?

112. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] has <PARTNER> slapped, hit, or kicked you?

113. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] have you insisted on or made <PARTNER> have sexual relations with you when {HE/ SHE} didn’t want to?

114. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] has <PARTNER> insisted on or made you have sexual relations with {HIM/ HER} when you didn’t want to?

115. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] have you had an injury, such as a sprain, bruise, or cut because of a fight with <PARTNER>?

116. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] has <PARTNER> had an injury, such as a sprain, bruise, or cut because of a fight with you?

For me, the most important take away from this is resources for education and support need to be given to male victims of domestic violence.

Until we can get men to report domestic violence, we need to spend money on spreading the idea that yes, men can be victims and are deserving of support too.

We also need to make sure that when a man needs support and does want support that they have the resources available to get that support, without being shamed or made to fell like less of a person.

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Pseudo-intellectualism, and lack of integrity: this sub in 6 words.

I actually happen to agree with you when it comes to the title posted here. It should have read either what you said, or something along the lines of "Study finds that 70% of non-reciprocal domestic violence is perpetrated by women." or something more specific. The user who posted this actually apologized for this elsewhere when it was pointed out.

I don't agree that the study itself is pseudo-intellectual. Or at least it's no more or less pseudo-intellectual than every other social sciences study, such as the studies used to support the idea of 1 in 4 college women will be raped.

Cases? This isn't statistics from the DOJ, it's an unreliable survey of a small sample size, with an unclear definition for "violence".

And yet every time we do try to use numbers from the DOJ to back up anything, we're told that all the things we're trying to talk about are unreported. We're told instead that we should go look at this study or that study, which are all performed in the exact same way this study was performed.

Either this type of study is valid, or it isn't valid. You don't get to pick and choose when it's useful for you.

an unclear definition for "violence".

Please remember that this is a meta-study, analyzing the study here.

Specifically, the questions asked are on this page. The specific part of the questionnaire regarding violence in relationships is Section 19, starting with Question 109. The definition of violence is not unclear, you just chose not to look for it.

109. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] have you threatened <PARTNER> with violence, pushed or shoved {HIM/ HER}, or thrown something at {HIM/ HER} that could hurt?

110. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] has <PARTNER> threatened you with violence, pushed or shoved you, or thrown something at you that could hurt?

111. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] have you slapped, hit, or kicked <PARTNER>?

112. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] has <PARTNER> slapped, hit, or kicked you?

113. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] have you insisted on or made <PARTNER> have sexual relations with you when {HE/ SHE} didn’t want to?

114. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] has <PARTNER> insisted on or made you have sexual relations with {HIM/ HER} when you didn’t want to?

115. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] have you had an injury, such as a sprain, bruise, or cut because of a fight with <PARTNER>?

116. How often [if LONG = 1, add: “in the past year”] has <PARTNER> had an injury, such as a sprain, bruise, or cut because of a fight with you?

And if I may make a suggestion:

Next time take the time to do a bit of research into what you post, and don't just cherrypick to validate your worldview.

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if you called the right to defend your self from a women becuase your a man "a misconcieved idea of eqaulity"... then you may be in the wrong place sir.

yes hitting back will result in a mans arrest... becase such a large amount of men blieve you shoudlent hit a women, due to various factors.

that is exactly why men need to start hitting women back... becuase that will effect people view points, tolerance, and the courts reaction..

the goal is to make it viewed as normal and common and only right for a man to defend hims self against a women... as well as women to be shamed for hitting a man..... this will result in part from other simply seeing it happen and getting used to it... that is one of the reason people tolerate womens sexist / abusive habbits.

then add public advocation of mens rights and self defense..... and public shaming of women who it men.... add in some messges about "respecting men" (you cant find those any were)...... then add ins ome education to men not to tolerate womens negitve tendecys.

if we want men to have eqaul rights... then we need to fucking use those rights... use them or lose them... thats what they say.. and they got a point, so we need to use them.

having pity for women and tolerating sexism is not the way to go.... men defending thems lves no matter what.... suing police departments for sexual discrimnation and protesting and public shaming and logical debate is the way to go.

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Title	Women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of domestic violence cases.
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Date	October 8, 2012 9:10 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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