So apparently a group of feminists collectively involved with manboobz, no seriously what about teh menz and r/againstmensrights wish to divide the mens movement by creating another mens movement, instead of just contributing to the existing one

kloo2yoo · 2011-08-15T17:40:47+00:00

Feminism and Masculinism are two sides of the same coin.

We shouldn't look at issues through the skewed view of a gender based philosophy. We should look at them as humans, and base what we do off of what's right, not what we have between our legs.

jmnzz · 2011-08-15T14:02:43+00:00

Feminist woman that frequents manboobz and supports all of the lies and misrepresentations Futrelle smears anti-feminists with gets frustrated with not being able to dismiss all of the many valid points about male discrimination and feminism that anti-feminists present.
Feminist woman writes an article addressing some of these points to try and show that not all feminists are man haters.
Later, feminist woman creates a blog with some other feminists with the intent to divert any and all blame for the current discrimination men face away from feminism and to be a convenient scapegoat feminists can use when people point out that feminists don't do jack shit to address male issues...besides blaming men.
Feminist woman and friends proclaim the blog is a pro male website...even though they promote bigoted anti-male feminist theories like "rape culture" and...link to bigoted feminists like Michael "put a warning label on every man's penis" Kimmel, who created a mandatory college program that only young men are forced to attend where they are told why they are all potential rapists and their masculinity is to blame.

So as you can see this is all a fine example of pro male activism at its finest.

GorillaJ · 2011-08-15T18:41:37+00:00

Ya'll need to relax. Even assuming the worst, that it's an elaborate scheme to divide the movement and fuck things up, if it turns out that no useful discussion happens there or it's just feminists downplaying male issues, the people who check it out and care about Men's rights will leave.

2011-08-15T23:18:29+00:00

"Our goal is to create a positive space to discuss men's issues with a goal of gender equality and without the sexism or antagonism that currently dominates the discussion at r/mensrights."

Sounds about right...

brunt2 · 2011-08-15T13:20:22+00:00

As kloo2yoo says here feminists want to be able to personally sign off on the myriad of men's rights issues and thereby maintain control and domination over men politically in the media and legally in the courts.

SharkSpider · 2011-08-15T17:03:16+00:00

Theres actually a "think tank" reddit right now discussion how we are going to deal with some of this shit

There is a huge discussion right now about how NOT to go the route of NSWATM and a disowning of manboobz and AMR. Its not an attempt to invade or divide but rather to have a more cooperative. Its more about letting the non-misandric feminists (the few there are) into the discussion and perhaps creating some cooperation between some MRAs and feminists when it comes to future activism.

Its already been decided there will be no feminist moderators and minimal censorship.

And for those of you who don't know the history/foundation of NSWATM it came for Ozy's infamous post, and she wanted both MRAs and feminists to be involved. Only 2 MRAs volunteered (me and troll king, who wanted to troll-he openly said so) compared to the abundance of feminists so they went the feminist route. Idk how it would have turned out if there was more of an MRA base, but that definitely could have changed things for the better.

FlyingSkyWizard · 2011-08-15T16:05:50+00:00

I think there's a distinct divide between people sympathetic to Men's issues and equal rights under the law and the Men going thier own way crowd

kloo2yoo · 2011-08-15T13:34:55+00:00

"masculism"/"masculinism" isn't a word I approve of; it suggests a parallel to feminism, and an identity-based movement as opposed to an interest-based movement. "Men's rights advocate" does not.

Given that both reddits linked to seem to love this word, I'm inclined to see it as yet another drama attempt. Ho-hum. Hi Sigi1, did you really discover reddit only 1 month ago, or do you have a past here you'd like to share with us?

kloo2yoo · 2011-08-15T17:19:41+00:00

How else would "beyond-repair" feminists jump to the bandwagon? For most people, it's very important that the foundations of their thought stay unharmed. If you have built your identity strongly on a 'ism, you seek and feel comfort in confirmation and conflict-avoidance.

I don't mind feminists getting interested in mens rights. How NSWATM etc. are reacting is probably among the better reactions we can get. It's still better than excluding them. And even better, it forms up similar, probably much bigger - division among the femstablishment. Every moderate feminist is less radicals.

2011-08-16T03:52:20+00:00

I feel bad for agreeing that they do have a point when they say that some regulars of this subreddit do just hate women, but I don't agree they should blame us all.

ManThoughts · 2011-08-15T15:32:22+00:00

Feminists want to control the men's rights movement so it only grows in a direction that favors women. Some of you may have noticed how a lot of mainstream feminists are suddenly really favorable towards paternity leave for working fathers. "You can have a little bit of equality, as long as it serves us and our children."

kloo2yoo · 2011-08-15T13:18:10+00:00

And then we also have the support of a popular group blog that is posted frequently to reddit - No Seriously, What About Teh Menz? It shares our goals - it is focused on men's rights issues but treats feminism as a natural ally, and promotes gender egalitarianism as the ultimate goal. Our mods and activists are the creators and writers of that blog. Do any of you also have connections or ideas for promoting?

noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz.wordpress.com - egalitarian(?) for linking to mr manbooz himself, david feutrelle. Yes, David, who wants to dismantle the mens rights movement and who threw a hissy fit when Paul Elam wiped the floor with his lack of arguing skills.

So watch for this soon, or other mensrights appropriation efforts.

Feminists would love to tell us exactly which of rights are permissible.

And remember, thinking that people would lie to get your favor makes you distrusting and paranoid.

tl; dr: /r/masculism is a false flag operation

AntiFeministMedia · 2011-08-15T13:08:37+00:00

The men that initially get drawn in by this fake bullshit will realize it pretty quickly, become even more angry and move on.

2011-08-15T20:02:08+00:00

This would be a wonderful subreddit if I didn't know that it would turn out to be what it claims, but the real goal is to almost certainly going to tell men that the problems are their fault, fathers shouldn't get custody, etc. until they believe it. I'm predicting MR and Masculist redditors posting the same issue, MR Reacts to it with outrage and points out why it is not fair to men and Masculist puppets respond by saying that women deserve special treatment and being above the law. However, in the unlikely case that it doesn't turn out that way, We should go there for a bit to get a closer look and judge it.

2011-08-15T15:57:39+00:00

Alright, I'm starting to downvote this bs.

Simply don't care.

Ma99ie · 2011-08-15T17:42:15+00:00

Wait! Aren't there a bunch of traitors already who are "authorities on men" and love feminism? Oh, yes, "Men's Studies," with acolytes like Harry Brod (no joke.)

kloo2yoo · 2011-08-15T18:58:49+00:00

been there, done that. Not everyone here remembers the drama around /r/equality in its early days. In short, it was another "attempt" to bring MRAs and feminists together, and I volunteered - and was accepted - to be a mod, under Saydrah as top mod.

Before the first week was out, she demonstrated clear favoritism for 'men behaving badly' stories and removing 'women behaving badly' stories.

I still get drive-by attacks for my actions in closing /equality, and I still regret re-opening it.

Saydrah later apologized for her sexist attitude.

poopmachinery · 2011-08-15T18:26:32+00:00

I bet they're just going to do a "false flag"

2011-08-17T06:19:07+00:00

I am more of a scorched Earth advocate, but as a rule I view feminism as the left wing of the Matriarchy and traditionalism as the right wing of the Matriarchy.

Because both feminism and traditionalism seek female supremacy. The only difference is that feminist's want to drive and traditionalist's want to be driven. Both require male dehumanization, subjugation, demonization and expandability in order to survive.

Just view feminist's and traditionalist's as female supremacist bigot's period(with feminist's being the outright bigots and traditionalist's being the more dangerous bigots with a smile on their face).

 And as long as a person associates with either feminism or traditionalism they cannot be an MRA or an ally of the MRM. The most they could ever be is a useful idiot. And once a useful idiot outlives their use they are to be discarded as trash.

We must not forget the mistakes of previous generations of men who forgave too easily. We need to set a very high price on forgiveness. Even if it means damning our own culture, society/civilization to extinction.

Jahonay · 2011-08-15T20:13:24+00:00

Specifically, they disapprove of r/mensrights' blanket condemnation of all feminists

It's not so much that MRA's hate all feminists but the feminist movement. The movement as a whole has done terrible things to men, it's only fair that we blame them for their misdoings.

2011-08-15T16:54:17+00:00

It says I'm forbidden from that subreddit. I would assume I'm already banned? Wow, I'm pretty new here......

2011-08-15T18:51:23+00:00

Can you please figure out how to type like a big kid now please?

effarve · 2011-08-15T16:49:16+00:00

and maybe if you buy into everything you read on the internet and take everyones bait you deserve to be the fodder for some dick hating man hating bullshit... Use your brain, and form your own opinions for christ sake... How fucking old are you anyway god damn.?!

Moldavite · 2011-08-15T18:16:35+00:00

I keep telling you people. feminisim and wymynz lib is a commie conspiracy to break up a normal family unit putting everyone under the 'care' of the state. one of the strongest defenses against tyranny is family.

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