"I am a strong, independent womyn in law school and I am sad because my boyfriend doesn't want to guarantee me a lifetime income."

plz_say_sike · 2021-10-02T20:41:30+00:00

Whenever a prenup is mentioned women love to throw the “he thinks the marriage will fail”.

Women aren’t stupid when it comes to spending other peoples money. They know prenups (if held up in court) serve a purpose especially now when over half of marriages end in divorce. Similar to how you get car insurance. You don’t plan to get into an accident but if you do you’ll have some protection.

They just want to maximize their cash and prizes when the divorce inevitably happens (despite going all over social media talking about how independent they are).

Overkillengine · 2021-10-02T22:47:41+00:00

Here what he should do:

Get as much of his assets protected as possible under trusts and the such.
Toss the prenup and the ring. They're both worthless for their assumed purposes anyways.
Downgrade her to "fuckbuddy or she can fuckoff" status.
Laugh when the stupid bitch ever brings up marriage ever again.

She's already shown her intent to fleece him. Just ruthlessly use her for what little worth she has left and toss.

loneliness-inc · 2021-10-03T03:06:14+00:00

Gentlemen,

Prenups are toilet paper. They will hardly ever protect you or your assets. See men's rights forums and websites for all the cases that demonstrate this.

Also notice:

When a man hesitates to commit / propose / marry / take the relationshit to the next level / etc - she and everyone else will pull out all the stops to shame the man for his hesitancy.

Think about it, what is it about marriage that they're so desperate to attain? Why will so many women break up an otherwise good relationship over the lack of commitment or marriage?

Because women NEED men and men WANT women!

She doesn't want marriage, she needs marriage. She needs the security and stability that marriage provides for her. She and everyone else will pressure and shame you for not providing your commitment, because she absolutely needs it!

Responsibility is a tool of the patriarchy!!!

Cheers!

Joaquino7997 · 2021-10-02T20:46:32+00:00

Don't you just LOVE IT when women cry about how the man is "prefacing marriage with failure" when he asks her to sign a prenup? Of course, if SHE had the money and he didn't then it would be A-OK to ask HIM to sign one.

Anytime a woman even so much as BLINKS at a prenuptial agreement, walk away.

Walk FAR away.

2021-10-02T20:24:16+00:00

Run boy. She clearly expects more AMBITION (aka $$$$) of you down the road.

"Take care of me" - At least she isn't lying with her use of the mrs. degree. Being taken care of always implied you bring some value to the table. It's entitlement when not only do you bring nothing, but it's always expected. WHAT?

donotvotemedown · 2021-10-02T21:11:31+00:00

One would think someone studying law would know the importance of a prenup protecting BOTH parties.

ransay3277 · 2021-10-02T22:45:44+00:00

Just what every guy wants... A women who argues for a living.

OwenWentFullMGTOW · 2021-10-02T23:03:02+00:00

All a prenup is rly supposed to do is establish the terms of the divorce upfront. Considering how vague and nebulous the marriage contract is, you'd think a law student would at least be grateful for clarity and specificity.

But she's not because that's never been the issue for most women.

Odds are, she's been pushing for marriage before she graduates so that he'll pay her education costs. The guy finally called her bluff by agreeing to marriage in principle... as long as she signs a prenup first. Of course, that would damage her plans to go full Wendy Davis and divorce the turkey the instant the last of her debt was paid off.

This guy needs to kick her to the curb. MGTOW

GutsGloryAndGuinness · 2021-10-02T22:08:17+00:00

Threatening a "deal breaker" as if she's the one with the bargaining chips. She should be delighted he wants to marry her at all. She said it herself, she brings zero, he's been ridiculously generous letting her scrub off him in the first place

slipkid223 · 2021-10-02T21:08:53+00:00

As a soon to be lawyer she will just wear him down fighting the prenup if she does sign it.

Jake-Orion · 2021-10-03T01:29:00+00:00

A channel on YT I like to listen to occasionally has advice from divorce lawyers. One of the bullet points that struck me was if you are requesting a prenup, you already know that relationship is doomed to fail.

Until the marriage laws change to be equal to both parties, there is zero reason for marriage for a man in today's market, prenup or not.

Harry_Teak · 2021-10-03T04:13:45+00:00

There's a certain breed of woman who doesn't want to be married. They want to be divorced. Marriage is that icky time-consuming thing they have to do first.

Anonymous_fiend · 2021-10-02T21:19:12+00:00

If she plans to stay married to him why is she afraid of a prenup? He's just protecting his assets if something goes wrong. And the likelyhood of things going wrong is high. Hoping for the best but preparing for the worst is wise. Why take that unnecessary risk? It seems she's projecting about going into the marriage expecting it to fail. If she's so worried about her bf leaving her in 20 years then she's only marrying him for his money because she doesn't respect or trust him.

Cristoff13 · 2021-10-03T00:39:10+00:00

"if and when your law career takes off, and you end up making multiple times what your boyfriend/husband makes"

Ha no. Law school is now mostly the refuge of undisciplined dreamers. They dream of big corporate law, or trial law. Most are lucky to end up like "Better Call Saul". Only unlike Saul, who was smart enough to get a cheap offshore degree, most will end up with at least $200k student debt.

SpicyPoaster · 2021-10-03T05:40:25+00:00

It's amazing how many women who spend hundreds of thousands on advanced professional degrees decide that they don't want to work and want a man to "take care of them" while they stay home with the kids.

Almost as if feminism sold them a lie.

2021-10-02T22:54:51+00:00

People will always have an adverse reaction when they feel that their survival is being threatened. She's banking on at least half of his quarter of a million salary for life after divorcing him. Judges do "occasionally" uphold some prenuptial agreements. She is simply having a natural reaction to a wrench being thrown in her plans. Though, you would think as a lawyer he would seek out some legal counsel from divorce lawyers, who I would hope could help him stop this mistake. I hope everything works out favorably for him.

karimamin · 2021-10-02T23:32:29+00:00

Prenup should be the default. Even then there's no guarantee she won't just run off with everything you own. If you're a good wife, there's no need to worry about money. A guy who loves a woman will make sure to have them in their will in case something happens.

paleotow · 2021-10-03T01:50:02+00:00

we should called them "Divorce outlines" and make them 100% required, and never let them be voided by some kangaroo family court. This way it's not some kind of a jackpot for either party, and if one of them has crazy ideas (like I get your house, that you came into the marriage with) the other party is given fair warning what he is dealing with.

SmallHandsMallMindS · 2021-10-03T05:50:39+00:00

> not want to take care of me,

> that generally he does not want to be part of a partnership,

Its pointless listening to what women say. It can be entertaining, but at the end of the day theres no value

NoFaithInThisSub · 2021-10-03T06:29:57+00:00

if only she was stronk enuff to make him do that....

djc_tech · 2021-10-03T16:39:41+00:00

This is just a smart move. I’m divorced and spent a good portion of my retirement trying to just get my kid more that six days a month.

So my point being is you can’t predict the chances if you having a successful marriage and there’s a 50% chance it won’t work. You’re left on the hook for most of the debt and fighting to just to keep your head above water. I make six figures a year and lived in a small apartment for a while, during this my ex is out buying new apple watches and I’m skipping meals.

This isn’t a game you want to play fellas. Your emotional and financial future isn’t something to gamble with so my advice is to not play a game where the odds aren’t in your favor

vtec__ · 2021-10-03T03:28:14+00:00

south dakota trust or dont do it at all. its NOT WORTH IT whether you're making the big bucks or making 50k a year.

ogrilla99 · 2021-10-03T14:24:37+00:00

Wait, this woman is going to be a lawyer? You mean join a profession whose entire purpose is to protect their client if/when things go bad? No one needs lawyers if everything goes swimmingly. Out of a 100-page contract, 99 pages are taken up by directives on what happens when various things go wrong. And those are the parts that lawyers earn their fees on. Even if most of the time, things go fine and none of those clauses need to be executed, no one -- certainly not lawyers -- ever question the need to have them there in the first place.

Yet she doesn't believe a marriage should have the same. I guess she's going to advise her future clients that they shouldn't put all that extra stuff in their contracts too or else they're implying that the expect the other party to not fulfill their end of the deal.

Even practically speaking, she's not being a good lawyer. Good lawyers are willing to compromise on worthless stuff in order to make sure the valuable, important parts are left in. She should know that most prenups are worthless in court. If she's a lawyer, she won't get spousal support at all. Or, if she stopped practicing, she might get it for a few years with the expectation that she'll get back into the workforce. The real payout for her will be for child support. And that can't be negotiated in a prenup (you can't bargain away a 3rd party's interest, in this case, the child's interest). The house, half his income, everything will become hers anyway if they have 2 kids, even without alimony payments.

If she were a good lawyer, she would recognize the valuable part is the marriage, and the worthless part is the prenup, and happily give in to the prenup to make sure the marriage goes through. Right now, she's at risk of scuttling the entire deal over something that won't matter much anyway. It's the equivalent of scuttling your client's multi-million dollar deal because the opposing party wants to backdate the closing date by a week.

Ancient-Length8844 · 2021-10-03T05:53:27+00:00

Something tells me she's going to be a terrible lawyer.

Marko_From_Tropoja_ · 2021-10-04T01:11:37+00:00

While prenups are still better than post nups (see morons recommending these when reconciling with cheaters all the time), they are still many issues that can arise. Unless you have a highly reputable attorney and judge sign off on it, it’s basically a crap shoot. Especially the more years you go into marriage.

Best thing to do is never let a woman know how much money you actually have or make (this guy already screwed that up) and hide money and assets. If you know a good shark attorney they usually know people that can do this. Even if you still want to marry, you should be hiding your true net worth. I remember one day talking with my family about stocks and my retirement portfolio and investments, and my mom was kind of asking how well everything was going. My sister eventually brought up how well I must be doing with certain things and stocks and cryptos I had mentioned in prior conversations and I let it go. Then she flat out asked me how much I had in one of my accounts lol. I told her I’m not sure. My dad pulled me aside later and said good job not telling them anything. Now these are people I trust more than anyone and I’m not gonna tell them how much I have, you think I’m gonna let a girl know who I’m dating or considering marrying? The only thing that I respond with is something like “career is going well and I’m doing fine with money”.

Itburns12345 · 2021-10-04T15:33:38+00:00

Doesnt he realise men are not allowed to protect themselves anymore?

Pre nups arent a sensible way for a wealthy man to protect his fortune from being split in 2 anymore they are unacceptable sexism apparently...by the same logic my life insurance means im.100% planning to get into a fire or get shot etc

Paternity test: omg how dare you! Just take her word for it and commit yourself to another human for all its natural life and probably link yourself to the mum in some way

Self defence: you cant hit a girl thats not on...just let her crack you around the face until bloody like a ' real man should' let those rings, glass or even cellphone give you a few scars too cause fuck your face.

Rape allegations: how fucking dare you question logic or factual holes in her story...just believe all women dammit! Yes she has a history of doing this/mental illness what does that matter! We all know men should be 100% responsible for their actions while blind stinking drunk but women are vunerable and could not consent etc

AggressiveProblem654 · 2021-10-04T04:53:44+00:00

I'm sorry but if you're making 230k/year and even considering getting married, you're a flat out fool.

loneliness-inc · 2021-10-03T07:28:01+00:00

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Title	"I am a strong, independent womyn in law school and I am sad because my boyfriend doesn't want to guarantee me a lifetime income."
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