Frustrations with the Depp/Heard trial

TheLWMA · 2022-04-12T19:04:25+00:00

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ExMuzzy · 2022-04-12T19:47:21+00:00

Unfortunately, a lot of people online (especially Reddit) don’t really care about the primary victim when it’s a man. The top comment is often always that it’s going to reduce women’s trustworthiness.

The odd thing about Depp’s case is that he lost against The Sun and not Amber Heard. Yet feminists see this as Depp being the abusive person or at least that they’re both abusive.

Depp wasn’t allowed to use medical evidence or audio recordings and instead the judge went with her testimony because why would she lie?

starlight11006 · 2022-04-13T22:42:36+00:00

I will say a lot of people are cheering for Depp which is surprising on Twitter but regardless is crazy to me that in a case as big as this the only thing on the explore page is #justiceforjohnnydepp

Obviously it’s good but usually when big events like this happen (primarily in favour of women) there are multiple articles written about it as well and are promoted. But alas there are none

34T_y3r_v3ggi3s · 2022-04-15T01:50:22+00:00

Are you kidding? Amber Heard wasn't believed? Then why does she get to keep her career while Johnny Depp has essentially been blacklisted from acting for being falsely accused by a psycho bitch of being an abusive rapist? Women have ruined innocent men's lives over things like this and they almost never face repercussions while the man's life and reputation is essentially over. It doesn't matter if there's evidence in your favor of having not raped a woman, just by being accused of such a thing can have life changing consequences to a man's life.

peanutbutterjams · 2022-04-13T01:45:44+00:00

Feminism has become synonymous with bigotry.

A feminist is a bigot who believes that society shouldn't care about men, who has dehumanized men so completely that it may not even be possible for them to EVER think about men as a whole with kindness or empathy.

There had been pockets of such people in the past but ever since the acceptance of "male tears" and all the hate that came after, there have been more women who were sold - and who bought - "Hate is Feminism; Feminism is Hate" than ever in the history of humanity.

Men are more hated now than at any point in history.

That's why nobody cares. Feminism controls our society's narrative.

I don't mean to be impertinent or flippant. I just can't see around these basic facts anymore.

Tangent Ahead

Ironically, men are most hated after enough good and noble men were willing to die for the betterment of others to drag our evolved-primate asses into a world of democracy, stable and less-corruptible governments, a place where universal rights are a reality and universal love (was) an ideal.

After men made it safe to speak your mind, after men made it possible to 'speak' to millions of people at once from the comfort of your toilet, only then did men soon after became the most hated identity type in the world (possibly sharing the podium with 'white people').

Possibly ^{^{^{^/s}}} this has something to do with the fact that our social narrative is controlled by social media which is used by far more women than men.

Social media is also perfectly suited to exacerbating the toxic parts of traditional female culture such as gossipping about others (managing the narrative) andgetting a group to attack an individual (cancel culture)

(Again, these aren't descriptions of women as a whole but a recognition of prevalence. For men it would be, say, keeping closed in, and quickness to anger.)

So social media ramps up a tendency to something systemized and standardized, a slow nod to the women next to them that says 'I'm one of you'.

Between all of this, women's in-group bias, women-only groups' bias, and society's general preference for women, you would think women, feminists especially, would generally be cautious of those women-only groups because it's all of our responsibility to root out our biases and squash them, right?

Instead, get this, feminists come up with the idea of a patriarchy: everything bad about society is men's fault, everything good about society is something we don't talk about at the dinner table, dear.

Yes folks it's a world built by men and for men, that all power is about gender, not wealth. ^{^{^Ffs}}

Despite there never being a male - and poor - CEO or President.

Despite millions of men dying every year doing the dangerous work necessary to create all the luxuries of the modern first-world society.

Despite men being the majority of homeless, the minority of college graduates and the disinterest of everyone, feminists still fantasize about a patriarchy where men help men, towards whom they have no bias, and where men hurt women, towards whom they do have a bias.

It makes perfect sense.

Internet_Person0984 · 2022-04-22T13:13:42+00:00

This is the first time I've heard someone imply that one is taking away from the other.

I honestly always thought of it like: this is objectively wrong, and it's wrong on so many different levels that we can appeal to multiple sensibilities about it.

The public needs to see that wrongful accusations against men can severely hurt them.
Women also need to see that their movements, however well intentioned, are not immune to being hijacked by predators.
The public needs to realize that women can BE predators and abusers.

And so on. I would think that it helps the case and point, and hopefully encourages future legal action backed by men, women, and anyone with common sense.

Amalfi-state-of-mind · 2022-04-14T22:26:04+00:00

I haven't read enough about this to have a totally informed opinion but I've always come down on Depp's side. I think she is an opportunist. I watched some clips over the last few days that further torpedo Heard in my mind. I think it's totally fair that the case be made about abusive opportunists.

They supposedly settled their divorce, she was supposedly going to donate her divorce settlement money, which I never believed and seems questionable if it ever happened. I believe part of the settlement was the future non-disparagement of each other which is fair enough. Then Heard goes and writes the op-ed and I completely support Depp for going after her for it. She continued to play the victim while fire bombing him publicly even if she didn't name him.

Her former assistant gave some pretty damning testimony.

Further compounding things is that she has Elon Musk in her pocket who is probably funding all of her stupid strategies.

Johnny made a big mistake ever getting with her. Once he got together with her he went completely off the rails. He and Brad Pitt need to start their own fraternity of the permanently screwed victims of their own worst choices. Pitt seems to me he was fire balled in exactly the same way by a mentally unstable opportunist.

InitiatePenguin · 2022-04-13T01:36:53+00:00

That "Amber Heard is making it hard for women to come out with their stories because people will use her as an example that women can't be believed!".

I don't think this perspective is completely without merit. On the back of #MeToo many women had not been beleived. And there is real concern someone will use this to attempt to dismantle that.

(Edit: oh, and In the end if there is someone to blame for the tarnished reputation of female victims to be beleived, it will be Heard's, who used her position and knowledge of DA victims as a weapon).

However, I think that perspective has the wrong priority in mind. #BelieveWomen was never to mean, all and only women all the time. This case should do justice to beleiving all victims regardless of sex/gender regardless of how the case is actually decided.

Really, the case is high profile enough that everyone is trying to spin it in their own favor. It'll be used to justify things that are wrong, it'll be used to tear others down, it'll be used by people in bad faith. It'll also be used to do the opposite.

It's been a while since I've seen any specific developments over the last year or so, but it's important to remind people there is no "model victim" — much of the details are still locked away in the court and there are serious allegations made by both parties.

I did write a post about it back then at Menslib: It does address the need for male victims to be acknowledged but also this specific argument about it having a chilling effect on female victims.

Responding to the Discourse around abuse allegations between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard

Nayko214 · 2022-04-19T18:22:24+00:00

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Is_This_Safe_To_Eat · 2022-04-22T19:09:39+00:00

I’m frustrated as hell that every fucking article written about this has to bring up that Depp did drugs and drank. This is used to somehow suggest he’s either just as bad or deserved what happened to him.

It doesn’t matter if you have substance abuse problems, you don’t deserve to be violently abused, nor does substance use automatically make you an abuser.

After_Ear_1147 · 2022-05-01T01:05:43+00:00

Heards witness attorney asks the same questions over and over again argh. So annoying

Title	Frustrations with the Depp/Heard trial
Author	Nayko214
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Date	April 12, 2022 6:31 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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Responding to the Discourse around abuse allegations between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard