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No comment allowed and facts disposed of. Yes, according to 'The Guardian' it's all misogyny!

Acrobatic_Sport_7664

June 2, 2022
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Title No comment allowed and facts disposed of. Yes, according to 'The Guardian' it's all misogyny!
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Date June 2, 2022 2:19 PM UTC
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Comments

[–]Code-V 155 points156 points157 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course, radical feminism has become so normalised that true equality seems like misogyny to these idiots.

I'm not even mad, this is hilarious to see them be this blind to reality.

[–]abortion-is-bigotry 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"when all you know is privilege then equality feels like oppression".

[–]ajm2601 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I copied that quote man.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points61 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yea, like the legal system isn’t slanted toward women or anything. She got a fair trial and now feminist aren’t happy. Boo hoo.

[–]Angryasfk 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently the result is a “blow for POC” too.

I never realised Amber Heard was a black woman.

[–]thealphateam 49 points50 points51 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Screw the guardian. Its a bunch of fucking feminists that write for them.

[–]iGhostEdd 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The picture of the woman who wrote the article looks exactly like the average feminist lol

[+]communismIsBad69 -22 points-21 points-20 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Whats wrong with feminism?

[–]Starmind0 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

"What's wrong with a terrorist female supremacist movement?"

[–]communismIsBad69 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What? I have a lot of feminist friends and literally none of them are like this?

[–]Starmind0 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Then you're in denial, or simply a misandrist just like them. The things feminism has done are undeniable.

[–]communismIsBad69 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What has it done thats so bad? Give women the right to vote? Allow LGBT+ people basic rights?

[–]Starmind0 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Advocating for women's rights is not the same as feminism. And getting that right without getting selective service shoved down their throats is a privilege. Feminism has absolutely nothing to do with GLBT community. They bark about any oppressed group or community just to earn empathy points as well as to avoid the feeling of privilege by shoving themselves in with the suffering of GLBT, black people, and Muslims too. It's known how some straight white girls get offended even more than a gay, black or a Muslim person about issues that don't even affect them. You're clearly a misandristic oaf who constantly denies the utterly disgusting misandristic behaviour feminists displayed.

[–]communismIsBad69 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you please define feminism for me then? And I dont see what Ive said that would make me in any way misandristic, especially considering Im a man.

[–]Starmind0 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By definition, women's rights. By word, "equality for all!". By action, utter misandry, female supremacy and bigotry.

Despite the definition being about women's rights, feminists love to bark that it's "actually gender equality between the sexes for both genders!1! Therefore, men should be feminists too!" Pathetically pretending just to get more people to become feminists. The same thing is done when feminists literally claim that feminism is also somehow about GLBT, race, religion, and even animal rights. Desperately trying to appeal to the most oppressed as well as what's "woke". But all of that fuckery is all bark, because by actions it's merely a bunch of misandrists. You're not a misandrist for what you said, but for defending a misandristic feminism. A movement that shut down a men’s shelter, counter-protested against men’s rights, made kill all men trend on Twitter, rejected gender-neutral rape laws in india, rejected inclusion of male victims in domestic abuse laws in the UK (same country where they introduced a male curfew), supported the white feather, created a big bad non-existent enemy they call patriarchy to blame men, I can go on.

[–]NeoNotNeo 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally everything.

[–]Rifter0876 42 points43 points44 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow they are making flat earthers look smart and thats tough to accomplish.

[–]tenchineuro 111 points112 points113 points 4 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

  • The Amber Heard-Johnny Depp trial was an orgy of misogyny

An orgy of misogyny? Wow.

  • The trial has turned into a public orgy of misogyny. While most of the vitriol is nominally directed at Heard, it is hard to shake the feeling that really, it is directed at all women – and in particular, at those of us who spoke out about gendered abuse and sexual violence during the height of the #MeToo movement. We are in a moment of virulent antifeminist backlash, and the modest gains that were made in that era are being retracted with a gleeful display of victim-blaming at a massive scale. One woman has been made into a symbol of a movement that many view with fear and hatred, and she’s being punished for that movement. In this way, Heard is still in an abusive relationship. But now, it’s not just with Depp, but with the whole country.

So now the whole country is abusing Heard? Really? Funny when men get tried in the court of public opinion (and usually found guilty) we never see anything like this in the print media.

[–][deleted] 73 points74 points75 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

it is hard to shake the feeling

It's always about muh feeling, isn't it?

[–]Lui_Le_Diamond 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feelings ≠ Facts

[–]aknabi 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You need to use feminist math… then it is

[–]Hm_Maybe_ 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fee fees > facts

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I really hoped that was hyperbole on your part Tenchin, but no. Legitimate quote, and hardly the worst of them.

Reading that article I could feel Orwell sitting on my shoulder and whispering warnings in my ear.

Propaganda is becoming less subtle by the day, and I can only hope it is not becoming more effective as a result…

[–]Yowilkat 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man... I didn't get an invite to the misorgy!

[–]kelley38 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't get past the "Everything is secretly about me, somehow, someway, because I am just that I portant" mentality these people have.

Holy shit, this had nothing to do with you and only tangentially anything to do about feminism. It was about a lying liar who lied. That's it. Thats all. Not you. Not feminism. Nothing else.

[–]DivyanshPanwari 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

"Anti-Feminist" So did feminist community came to the point of admitting it (the movement) was solely for women only.

[–]tenchineuro 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It seems to depend, maybe on the issue, for example...

  • Feminists: There's no need for a men's movement because feminism is about equality for everyone.
  • Men: Feminism does not help us. Feminists: It's not supposed to, it's the women's movement, it's about helping women.

[–]Stephi87 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

34F and I can’t stand the whole feminist thing. Especially related to this case, AH set women back by lying about JD abusing her which could make things worse for women who actually were abused, but they blame JD, his lawyers and now the jurors saying they are setting women back… pleeeease. Everyone should just be treated equally, and it’s so obvious AH was lying her ass off.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m s guy, but I always felt like, this feminist idea that women need to be ”protected” against normal adult responsibilities, I mean isn’t that kind of sexist against women as well? Do women really want to be seen as children that never grow up?

[–]Cortinagt1966 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They will probably claim she was suffering from 'internalised misogyny'

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the man haters, and believe any women despite the facts are exposing themselves. Has it really never occurred to these people that Heard’s lies are what’s going to make people think twice about women claiming abuse in the future? Why don’t they blame her?

[–]Stephi87 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! It’s crazy to me that anyone believes and supports AH.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They forget that Johnny’s lawyer is a woman. A successful, intelligent woman that was on the side of righteousness. Lots of things going for her that the guardian could spin in to their bias towards the feminine without disrespecting the justice that’s been done and they would’ve even have to stop hating on men lol.

[–]Angryasfk 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. I’d love to see the meltdown if they ever see a real anti-feminist “backlash”!

They think they’ve been living in a “backlash” since circa 1980! Spiller even refers to it in her Cassie Jaye interview. Amazing.

[–]iGhostEdd 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that they think only americans saw the trial seems utterly funny to me. It's like they think that the internet is only available to USA citizens or that we still live in the "Arpanet Era".

[–]regularcomments 30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism when their theories are proven as wrong: AlL iS BecaUsE oF mISOgYNy!

They literally are like terraplanists or the people who think all the apollo 11 trip was false.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yea the author has a history of misandrist garbage. The fact that she disabled comments is a clear indication of the fear of reprimand she was sure to receive. How else would anyone sane would feel secure producing such moronic opinions on a public paper.

Too bad I really liked the guardian during the Snowden days but they’ve lost their way…at least with this case

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They’re under feminist control, and have been for quite a while. And this includes the “believe all women” mantra. So they have to believe Heard no matter what. And they’re doubling down so their readership will “keep the faith”.

[–]archit1405 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes I feel going back to the 1600s, but then I just take some paracetamol for the headache

[–]regularcomments 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Metoo is literally Salem witch trials adapted for these days.

The funny thing contrary to what pop culture believes, most women were accused from witch craft by other women.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And like Salem, accusations for malice and personal gain abound.

[–]regularcomments 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, humanity does haven't changed in centuries.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And it’s amazing how many self declared “progressives” are behaving in such an old fashioned sense.

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jun/02/depp-heard-trial-verdict-me-too-sexual-violence-women

Depp-Heard trial verdict condemned as a ‘toxic catastrophe’ for women

I think it's obvious the Guardian are Amber Turd fans. Screw them.

[–]Archangel1313 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wish some of these people with such strong opinions in this, would actually watch the trial. This person obviously didn't...or maybe they spent the entire time with their fingers in their ears, crying "la, la, la!", at the top of their lungs.

She lied. She exaggerated every event. She presented heavily edited evidence to support her claims. An every time the unedited version was shown...it made her look like the abuser, not the victim.

But do any of these columnists acknowledge that? Nope.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But but but Heard had photographic evidence. I mean her “broken” nose clearly wasn’t swollen, but she iced it didn’t she? Heard should be the world authority in this. I can’t imagine anyone else being able to prevent any swelling from a broken nose just by icing. But you have to “believe all women” so it has to be true doesn’t it!!!! /s

[–]SecondEldenLord 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you are used so much to privilige, equality seem like oppression now.

[–]Rol9x 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't expect less from that garbage.

[–]capitanMorgan89 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The human who wrote the article… Moira Donegan. This person is a genuine pure man hating misandrist who has the privilege to write for The Guardian. They need to fire her ASAP or boycott The Guardian & Moira Donegan.

[–]Acrobatic_Sport_7664[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How can it? This woman personifies 'The Guardian'. Little regard for facts if inconvenient, and not prepared to be "called' BTL for her hate and dishonesty.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is the case for sure.

[–]TheSpaceDuck 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Another article to show whenever someone claims "feminists care about male victims of domestic abuse".

[–]rabel111 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In a world where hate speech, discrimination, vilification, denial of services, and gender hatred are publically endorsed and normalised when the target is men and boys, the Amber Heard verdict would appear to be incomprehensible to a feminist man hater. The lack of misandry and gynocentralism in the juries verdict is inconsistent with the media/college universe.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

EXACTLY. In a world of lies, telling the truth is a revolutionary act!

[–]combs1945a 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, freedom of speech that is limited to defamation is misogyny. Full clown world.

[–]vhisic 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

its not backlash for me too... she fucking abused him, lied about abusing him, lied about him abusing her, knowing full well she would be believed as the victim even going so far as to say as much (imo that one quote was the nail in her coffin).

This Men vs women bs needs to stop, this was about victim vs abuser and if you are cheering for the abuser you are wrong, herd is a monster and she brought her terrible self to light under the guise of #metoo keeping her as the abuser safe, SHE ruined this for women, not depp, no men. Blame her for abusing your trust, not him for exposing her abuse of it.

[–]Aspiengineer 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

This from the links in the article seemed interresting:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/jun/02/johnny-depp-amber-heard-libel-outcomes-differ-us-u

"Why did the Depp-Heard libel outcomes differ in the US and UK?"

Yeah, it is as biased as you'd thought.

Some facts seemed to have been proven true or false differently in the US and UK, but they don't talk about it.

They don't consider male victims a possibility.

Also no commenting possible.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am always sceptical of news articles (or youtube videos) that don’t allow comments.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They also forgot that Heard was NOT the respondent in the UK, The Sun was. Plus the judge should have recused himself from what I’ve heard.

[–]TrapNT 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, these ad hominem cunts always throw the word “misogyny” every time they lose.

[–]rabel111 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you lie and abuse trust, don't be surprised when you are treated like a liar and a cheat.

[–]Svenskbtch 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it not the height of misogyny to equate someone as obviously disturbed as Heard with women in general? How else could you interpret people siding with Depp as misogyny, or hatred of an entire gender and hence driven by gender, rather than her actions? It is hard to imagine even the most extreme MRA seeing this as misandry if the genders were reversed - and that includes people so radical that even I, as a fellow MRA, cringe in instinctive opposition.

Having said that, theyre both pretty crazy. And even crazier is the simple fact that one civil case seems to have the world captivated. It crops up in my youtube list more often than the war in Ukraine, and I am working with that part of the world.

[–]RadDude96 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stupid fat gluttonous feminist communist fucks

[–]VegetableTeacakes 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this writer above the law?

[–]TitanicPat 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The media no longer have live unfolding events to compete with. The trial and it's verdict are now complete and have become part of history - feminism's favourite subject.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And so the lies and misrepresention begins! Too true.

[–]goinsouth85 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can someone please tell me where journalists were appointed the great judge of the public’s morals and behavior?

[–]dcs577 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s odd to me that so many publications are going with this narrative when the public overwhelmingly believes Depp.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It shows the institutional power that feminism actually has.

[–]redplanet11 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

finally well said

[–]redplanet11 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

feminists control many institutions for decades now and men dilly dally and strongman postuire eg laughing at feminists and do nothing

[–]Angryasfk 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And aren’t we being treated to endless articles about the “chilling effect”.

Honestly these people lie when they claim they don’t really mean “believe ALL women”. The logic of the “chilling effect” is that you must treat all claims by women as true, no matter what the evidence to the contrary is. Which means you MUST condemn obviously innocent people least this may “discourage” some legitimate victim to come forward. And ignore the fact that this weaponises the liars and the malicious.

What I NEVER hear from these people is that each case should be judged on its merits. Taking someone as a victim of DV solely on their word is the right way to run a shelter/refuge. It is not the right way to run the criminal justice system.

[–]heldonhammer 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

His lawyers say...after the verdict. No the jury said the article was about him

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not just the jury. Heard herself said it was about him whilst on the stand.

[–]GodBirb 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I do think it’s a bit odd that the jury found Depp’s lawyer liable for deformation when all he said was that Heard’s claim was a ‘hoax’.

If Amber was deforming (I don’t know if that’s the correct word) Johnny by saying that she was abused, why did the Jury also decide that Johnny was deforming Amber by saying that she wasn’t abused?

[–]darksedan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You guys still read The Guardian? Why?

[–]dartymallet 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

To be fair to the Guardian, it is an opinion piece. Maybe they could do better to not entertain this sort of bullshit though

[–]crab--person 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They have since published 2 more "opinion pieces" on the subject, both, unsurprisingly, echoing the same train of thought that it was a travesty of justice and a victory for misogyny. There comes a point when you can't allow them to hide behind the "it's only an opinion piece" defence, if they are only allowing one line of opinions to be voiced.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/02/the-depp-defamation-suit-should-outrage-and-appall-you

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/02/amber-heard-johnny-depp

[–]Pepperclue_55 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

From one of them:

"Although only, perhaps, if we accept that dangerous premise Vasquez laid before the jury, with its clever echoes of the unsettling absolutism running through social media culture: that you either #believeallwomen, or treat the lot as liars. For those are not, and never have been, our only options.... Her legal team warned the jury that in refusing to believe Heard they would effectively be telling women everywhere that they weren’t to be believed either. If she really was lying through her teeth, it would be a terrible, terrible thing Heard had done, not just to Johnny Depp but to all those other women; so terrible, indeed, that many women would find it almost impossible to believe she could have done it.

This is so so so close to getting it.

[–]jsdfreedom 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember when Morpheus tells Neo, "I can only show you the door; you have to walk through it."

This quote shows the author was guided to the door, they pointed to the door, they said, "Go on, open it."... Then the author proceeded to turn around, sprint face-first into the opposite wall, then blame misogyny for her nosebleed.

You can't make this s*** up.

[–]gorgonrock -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s just a shitty opinion piece.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Along with others The Guardian is publishing on this. Do you see a pattern here?

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Simogyny.

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