Losing hope

ralphswanson · 2022-08-07T00:10:33+00:00

Canada is the worst. Almost all the incarcerated, homeless, school drop-outs, suicides, parents deprived of their children, and overdose deaths are male, but nobody cares. Men are not important. 'Equality' means handing more privileges to females.

the-lone-squid · 2022-08-06T20:55:12+00:00

That's why I've embraced minimalism and only work the bare minimum to get by. Without a family too support that's no reason to help support society.

Let them do everything and we'll see how it turns out

IanHawkess · 2022-08-06T18:57:53+00:00

Tbf, a lot of the male-dominated professions tend to earn more, so you can see the reason for the push toward ‘equality’.

But yeah, I hear you. Especially in Canada, it must be intolerable. We’re living for the ‘sins of the fathers’ and no mistake.

What’s funny/sad is that women (who despite being presented with the ‘equality’ they so badly wanted) do tend to also seek out partners (at least when they’re done ‘having fun’) who earn more than them.

Anyway, all these leg-ups being given to women is leading to a dwindling pool of ‘good’ (read: ‘affluent’) men. It’s going to be interesting watching Hypergamy meet economic reality over the next 20 years.

Bound-Submissive · 2022-08-06T23:19:21+00:00

23f. Of course you have a place in this world like anyone alive. Canada is doomed with its brutal indoctrination.

Do you have any chance of leaving that pathetic country and come to Europe for example? Or do you have the chance to live in a small town or village there as the villages and small towns are less likely to be infested with the virus of feminism?

Men are needed. Nature created two genders for union and they are needed. Fuck feminism and indoctrination bs.

I am glad you exist. You are a good man and I salute you for existing and spreading your good energy in this miserable world.

pappo4ever · 2022-08-07T00:37:57+00:00

In my country there is a huge demand for male nurses. Female nurses just don't have the strength required to lift a person and do other tasks.

A lot of those jobs that are ill-suited for women (women firefighters, seriously? not even most men can handle that job) and the result is that differences and shortcomings of women will be even more obvious. Have you ever seen a women in modern software development? they suck, cannot handle the pressure not even for a week. They just cannot do it, they co crazy. Men excel in those fields, companies cannot hire enough men in those jobs. Go for any job where you have a huge advantage, it was always like that.

Raining_Hope · 2022-08-06T22:10:04+00:00

Try the best you can. I think every generation faces their own issues. I know older generations faced an economic depression, and just had to do what they could and really live frugally to keep food on the table. Nowadays we still have to strive to get by however we can because the world isn't fair and won't start getting fair any time soon.

I don't mean to make light of the situation or how much it's frustrating. But know that you aren't alone. As a generation living in today's world, we are all right there with ya.

Jaguars02 · 2022-08-06T20:55:26+00:00

And yet they expect us to have the Mark of the Beast 6ft tall with 6 pack abs pulling down a 6 figure income but promote whamin to those jobs instead and don't get me started with the Boomers not retiring. I feel your frustration.

ZekalMacabre · 2022-08-07T00:03:54+00:00

Don't you see? This is why giving up is NOT an option. In the face of these kinds of odds, we need every man to fight for what they know is right.

You can't give up. Stay strong.

DirtyPartyMan · 2022-08-06T20:35:38+00:00

Losing hope is the precursor to finding your path. Your purpose.

Do you have mens shelters where you are? Do you have male retreats/events/hikes/obstacle courses/survival skill courses, classes on automotive or body repair, etc?

As corny as it may sound, Be the change you need. Learn a trade then get certified to be an instructor/trainer. Then be an access point for young men.

damn_son5 · 2022-08-06T20:24:45+00:00

Try to live your life instead of focusing on depressing shit.

bignarsty666 · 2022-08-07T02:08:06+00:00

Imma be real female fire fighters who don’t meet the same requirements as men is absolutely ridiculous. In Halifax, NS there was a lawsuit when some female firefighter said it was gender based discrimination that she couldn’t meet mens standards and got a fat ass payout

Effective_Alfalfa360 · 2022-08-07T06:37:29+00:00

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel society is ignoring some of the newer statistics on male sexual assault, the gender wage gap which actually doesn't exist, and male domestic violence cases. We say women are more affected by all of these. But you'd be surprised to know the reality isn't what the media tells you. Male domestic violence cases are on the rise, are now almost just as common as female domestic violence cases, and male sexual assault is way more prevalent in this society than previous statistics in the past have showed. The problem is that there still is a stigma around men coming forward about sexual harassment.

DougDante · 2022-08-07T01:06:18+00:00

You wrote:

I don’t want to live in this world anymore.

Please stay with us.

You can contact:

https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

Difficult_Fix_488 · 2022-08-07T00:22:02+00:00

Jordan Peterson may have his issues but he made in very good point- why isn't there a push for more bricklayers?

Men and women have their strengths and weaknesses and they should be celebrated. Pushing for a woman to be a firefighter, should be ridiculed. That's just begging for more people to die in a fire.

NullIsUndefined · 2022-08-07T07:17:54+00:00

The way was lost. Honestly there is nothing wrong with female X Y or Z if they can do the job. Its the blatant effort to discriminate to give women those jobs which is wrong.

aries0413 · 2022-08-06T23:44:52+00:00

Focus on bettering you. Leave the woke world behind. Remember there is nothing wrong with you.

StudentOfTheTruth1 · 2022-08-06T23:55:36+00:00

I know I may get a lot of hate and downvote for this but this is my opinion.

I advocate suicide and that's what I am planning for myself, to be done soon. I think large numbers of suicides by men are the only form of protest they will ever hear. Especially when they start seriously affecting population numbers and the economy, Meanwhile we have nothing to lose as we just suffer in their f*cked up gynocentric, misandrist feminist system, what is the point. This is not a life. Why suffer, doesn't make sense. They will just torture you with the cruelty, brutality and barbarism of their woke-feminist regime.

If you are young, maybe you could go full MGTOW first and hope and wait that something will change. I doubt it, though. And even as a MGTOW you will suffer. They will be at your throat, they will tax you, persecute you and punish you. Just for being born who you are. Look what they did to the MGTOW subreddits and any male organization or group. So I think even MGTOW is an illusion. Because this is a totalitarian system and they cut off any escape route. I have been MGTOW for years now but it is the same suffering. I am done with this, they can keep it and f*ck it. I choose the ultimate form of non-participation in this barbarism. I suffered too much and I am out.

HiPregnantImDa · 2022-08-06T20:20:29+00:00

Damn what’s going on in Canada? This isn’t my experience like at all. I hope you can find a good therapist OP. You can’t change the world but you can at least manage how you navigate it.

stupidslut34 · 2022-08-08T06:03:15+00:00

mechajutaro · 2022-08-08T21:16:38+00:00

Anyone who's been affiliated with The MRM and made the mistake of buying into it's rhetoric hook, line, and stinker(rather than subjecting it to the same skepticism we apply to all that we hear out of every other special interest group on this planet)has been losing hope for sometime now. The movement has long since taken on many of Environmentalism's more unsavory traits, namely elitism, doomsaying, and a staunch resistance to empiricism*

Just as Environmentalism has been teaching entirely too many gullible youngsters that ecological Armageddon is right around the corner since that movement arrived on our cultural landscape back in the late-60s, and that norm-ie society is just too backwards and dumb to understand how righteous The Green Movement's cause really is, The MRM's been in the business of bamboozling lots of us into believing that a Fempocalypse is soon to be upon us, and that plebeian society is just too Blue Pill to comprehend the genius of the wannabe revolutionaries over at AVFM and HBR. Not surprisingly, the rank file of both The Green Movement and The MRM has grown demoralized, and both movements have failed to accumulate much in the way of widespread support among everyday citizens

If only for the sake of our sanity, it behooves us dissenters within The MRM to take a cue from disenchanted former ec0-warriors https://ballotpedia.org/Ecomodernism In a fashion similar to these Post-Enviromentalists, it's now prudent for those of us who are "Post-MRM" to call the movement out for becoming one more special interest in a sea of many, and one that's viewed unfavorably by most Americans. Aka. The very folks who's support we need to secure, if we're serious about making progress. The MRM, with all of its unexamined assumptions, outdated concepts and exhausted strategies, must die so that something new can live

*Just a few examples: Contrary to what today's Red Pill Apocalypticists like Paul Elam, Karen Straughan, Alison Tieman, and Brian Martinez have asserted, men attending four year universities in lower numbers than our female counterparts has been true for decades, as has the fact that we're overrepresented among the prison population https://reason.com/1994/07/01/man-troubles/ This isn't to deny that there are problems with K-12 and secondary education that deserve our attention. Fact is though, these problems have been around a long time, and they haven't brought about the end of life as we know it. Claiming, as many MRAs today do, that Western Civilization is "sliding towards entropy"(direct quote from Paul Elam)on account of these social ills isn't only unhelpful. It's outright dishonesty

-Men still make up the majority of prison inmates, mostly thanks to an unjust and irrational drug war, the likes of which has actually led to a tripling of women's incarceration rates over the past couple of decades. This gives us all cause to question whether or not it's wise to frame prison and criminal justice reform as a gendered problem, rather than an American one that affects us all deleteriously, men and women alike. On top of that, there's been considerable improvement on this front since '08 https://twitter.com/coldxman/status/1267480737126768640 We still have work to do on this front, but reality is nowhere near as abysmal as one is led to believe if he spends entirely too much time in MRA echo chambers

-Male students and even university staff being expelled and fired for "inappropriate remarks and for running afoul of an increasingly elastic definition of "sexual assault" predates the Dear Colleague letter by a few decades. This shit has been going on since at least '92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIomA2MQNI4 11:40-13:08 Yeah, Title IX star chambers must be abolished, and it's to all of our benefit to establish clearer guidelines in regards to what constitutes harassment, sexual and otherwise

Given that 77% of all Americans-male AND female alike-have little to no secondary eduction though, and a large percentage of that 77% have no desire to attend a four year university(thus, they're chances of running afoul of Title IX are non-existent) this raises questions as to why The MRM has shown so little enthusiasm for initiatives like placing the under and unemployed into steady, legit work(even pre-COVID, fewer men were in the work force than was the case at the end of The Great Depression), and providing greater access to vocational training, so that more Americans-men especially-can attain upward mobility

Last anyone checked, it's men at the bottom of socio-economic ladder who are at the HIGHEST risk for all of the pathologies that MRAs claim to care about. Talking here things like homelessness, susceptibly to mental illness, addiction, poor physical health, premature death, fathering kids out of wedlock, and contact with the criminal justice system. The beauty of such an initiative-lifting a sizable chunk of Americans out of poverty and into the middle class and beyond-is that it needn't be approached as a gendered problem at all. If we were to reduce the number of people who were in poverty by half, a side effect would be a drastic reduction of men suffering the material hardships that MRAs are fond of bitching about

SadPatient28 · 2022-08-07T03:32:29+00:00

its worse in america

maryhartman000 · 2022-08-06T20:42:49+00:00

I think you need to look at the statistics, because you are wrong. Maybe it’s just the field you’re trying to get into or what you’re surrounded by, but more men than women work in Canada.

More men (87%) are employed full-time than women (75.6%). Only 13% of men are employed part time, and 24.4% of women are employed part time (Statistics Canada, 2022).

dzirian · 2022-08-06T22:55:56+00:00

What do you want changed exactly ?

gamerlololdude · 2022-08-06T23:03:23+00:00

I suggest going into social work. It is a heavily woman dominate field so you will be one pioneer there but you can do the social work degree and then the masters degree with an advocacy focus. From there you could be the one leading change to get more boys into nursing, social work, therapists.

4damW · 2022-08-07T02:08:07+00:00

My personal motivating philosophy regarding this issue is this (it’s pretty cliche, but within cliche is truth imo):

In nature, tribes and packs of animals are continuously rising and falling, including our own. In societies which are falling, it’s only the few strongest animals who push through the collapse and uncertainty that end up passing on their genes, thus strengthening the future of their gene pool. Do you want to be one of the few who push through this current societal bullshit unscathed by everyone who wants to doubt and put you down, or do you want to be a weakling who dies out during the collapse with no offspring?

I wholeheartedly believe that the direction society is headed regarding birthrates and inequalities between men and women is nature’s way of selecting who is the most mentally resilient during bad times that they deserve to reproduce - the toughest people. If you’ve ever heard the phrase “Good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men, strong men create good times” - I’d argue that we are in the “bad times create strong men” phase. It’s my view that by becoming demoralised by the defeats that you discussed (ie. men being discriminated against at work), or whining about how women have it better, you are essentially exhibiting weakness, as it indicates a lack of drive to overcome adversity. Therefore, it would naturally make sense, due to Darwinism, that those who have a lower fitness are less likely to be motivated to produce offspring.

Perhaps you might read this and think it is unproven pseudoscience bullshit, but before judging, I would highly urge you to read about the “behavioural sink” and the Universe 25 experiments, as it suggests that an individual’s negative mental attitude towards society makes them not want to have children, so this certainly is rooted within Darwinism to some extent.

WrongThinkerReilly · 2022-08-07T22:13:38+00:00

Hey, same. At some points, I just feel like deepthroating a shotgun. But there’s stuff in life for us, we must fight against the plague in our society. Even if it’s tiring and drains our faith we must and we will stand victorious! Every roller coaster has low points, that always result in high points. We’ll get through this!

false-identification · 2022-08-08T13:21:34+00:00

Seek therapy.

hello38r84e · 2022-08-09T13:48:41+00:00

The only real answer to your question is to move someplace that will appreciate your skills.

Can you not get hired in Canada or why so much emphasis on women being hired?

There are thousands of different countries or "societies" and guess what, they all think they are correct.

Also you listed a lot of normal type jobs. Who cares if women are being hired a little more?

Title	Losing hope
Author	jessi387
Upvotes	216
Comments	107
Date	August 6, 2022 6:47 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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