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Amazon Has a White Man Problem | Feminists claim highly successful tech companies, all started by men, would be even more successful if they had more affirmative action for women. Seems unlikely.

EricAllonde

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Title Amazon Has a White Man Problem | Feminists claim highly successful tech companies, all started by men, would be even more successful if they had more affirmative action for women. Seems unlikely.
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EricAllonde

Upvotes 624
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Date March 10, 2019 5:03 AM UTC
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[–]Xerethor 64 points65 points66 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Why aren’t women starting their own companies in tech/engineering/STEM fields if they believe that they can do just as good or even better? Why bother even working for a man at all ?

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 39 points40 points41 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Plus they can save on payroll by paying women less! /s

[–]Devidose 29 points30 points31 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because they just never end well for all the reasons you'd expect.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Kinda seems like toxic femininity.

They need to keep one token man around to blame when everything falls apart.

It would have been perfect except a little bit of patriarchy was able to sneak in.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just feminity.

[–]p3ngwin 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yep, and :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2756793/App-helps-women-NYC-taxis-driven-women.html

https://clarissasblog.com/2014/05/14/i-dont-want-to-hire-women/

[–]Thynome 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ahh a classic

[–]Valmar33 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So they can infiltrate these fields under the guise of "equality". Once "equality" is achieved, they start sidelining men more and more, until men have little power. The company suitably starts tanking due to bleeding talent.

[–]loloLogic 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe this is their way of breaking up monopolies. They're the new age trust busters and they don't even know it!

[–]Standard_Rules_Apply 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You aren't as wrong as you might think. Corporate sabotage is a very real thing.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

''If women ran tire companies, like, tires would like never go like flat, so we'd like make more money, too because everybody would love us!''

[–]onbakeplatinum 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

On Shark Tank or Dragon's Den or one of those investor shows, one of the investors was the founder of "Mr. Lube" oil change places. Some smug bitch went on there wanting to have an all female version called "Ms. Lube" and she wanted him to pay for it!

[–]valenin 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m sure someone who hatched that plan would react well when the employees reported daily encounters with freaks coming in to make the jokes sane people would see coming from miles away.

[–]born_a_fire 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They tried that. It was called Theranos.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

too stupid to do so, prefer to ride someone else's back to success.

[–]mancala33 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The billion dollar question...

[–]fengpi[🍰] 134 points135 points136 points 7 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link

For all the advances Amazon has made, it still can’t seem to figure out diversity.

I love how a young, hip, fresh out of school, white-as-Antarctica journalist chick can sit in her office, sip her butterscotch ristretto and tell everyone way more successful than herself exactly what their problem is and the only possible solution is her deeply heartfelt wish: a corporation which runs on Social Justice in lieu of goods or services and makes lots and lots of money by employing Brazilians, Bolivians, Bermudans, Barbadians, Bangledeshis and so on in proportion to their percentage of the human family.

"Did we hire a Bahraini? No? That's a billion-dollar idea! Fire a Chinese to make room! We've got too many of them already. There aren't any qualified Bahraini's? Hah! Go out and make one! They can learn on the job. Oh, and make sure she's wearing one of those black thingies with the eye-slits, those look good on the promotional materials we send-out."

Just hire people according to their ethnicity in exactly the right proportions, and you'll just conjure-up billions of dollars without making a single sale.

Amazon ultimately did an about-face, agreeing to adopt a practice to include women and minorities when considering new board candidates.

Thank god! Surely the racist old misogynists wouldn't have even looked at such qualified applicants before that point. Another win for (white) women and, uh, maybe some people of color too.

[–]EricAllonde[S] 73 points74 points75 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I love how a young, hip, fresh out of school journalist chick can sit in her office, sip her butterscotch ristretto and tell everyone way more successful than herself exactly what their problem is

Yes, exactly.

The complete absence of any feminist-founded companies run on intersectional principles which have achieved billion dollar valuations (hell, I'd even take $50 million valuations) certainly speaks to the real-world usefulness of that ideology.

[–]fengpi[🍰] 40 points41 points42 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Redecorating is what she's calling for. Right? Human redecorating.

Not "building". Not "founding." Not "creating something new." No, redecorating with humans. Gotta have the right colors and hairstyles and groins or it just isn't right.

It's really a very simple thing. You don't need to know anything about anything. You don't need to know how to read a financial statement, how a supply chain works, how a database cross-references customer data, nothing at all. You don't need to know fucking anything except that a man is sexist and needs to be replaced with a vagina with two arms, two legs and an optional suntan. That's all you need to know. You don't need to know anything else about anything. You're an expert. You don't need to read anything by Peter Drucker or W. E. Deming or look at the Wall Street Journal on a daily basis, oh no. It's so easy, anyone can do it: simply note someone's skin hue and crotch shape. If it's the wrong hue and the wrong crotch-shape, something must change.

All you need to do is just figure-out the average skin tone and crotch shape of a company and add dark vaginas until you get it a hue below "Honey beige androgyny" Poof. Job done.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Clearly Amazon is struggling and needs her help.

[–]fengpi[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And she's the one to help. She really really cares about Amazon's stock price! Instead of being worth $800 billion, with a little bit of Grrl Pwr and some melanin, it could be worth- uh- $800 gazillion-zillion-billion!

[–]valenin 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

gazillion-zillion-billion

That’s a funny way of spelling ‘thousand.’

$800 thousand.

[–]Mode1961 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think Thanos might have been that company, but that didn't end well.

[–]nomeail 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet, billion dollar companies in Japan and China don't give a fuck about affirmative action.

This woman would massively increase the diversity of those companies if she went over there and persuaded them to hire her....

[–]batdatei 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Why is it a win for white women? You get bonus points for being a person of colour, according to intersectionalism.

[–]loloLogic 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Because affirmative action disproportionately benefits white women over all other groups.

[–]batdatei 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

How did you reach that conclusion?

[–]Hillary_For_Prison 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Affirmative action is fundamentally anti-white-male. In western countries there just aren't that many people who aren't white and there are fewer of the non-whites who have the necessary qualifications for the jobs. What you do have is a proportion of white women roughly equal to the proportion of white men and those white women are more likely to have the necessary college education than non-whites are so they get immediate preference in hiring. It doesn't hurt that they look great on company promotion materials or that colleges favor them in admissions for the same diversity reasons that large companies do.

[–]batdatei 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree that it is anti white male. However, it follows the rules of intersectionalism, where you get bonus points for being non-male, non-white, non-christian and not heterosexual. White women only necessarily have one of those characteristics.

There may be fewer non-white women with college education, but that is their own responsibility. Colleges already admit by the rules of affirmative action. If anything, they have it easier.

[–]Hillary_For_Prison 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is exactly my point. Diversity is fundamentally anti-white male. It favors white women because they are the most capable large group other than white males.

[–]valenin 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That second paragraph is the key.

If you’re in second place and you can make something happen that makes everyone move up except the winner, it doesn’t matter if the person in tenth place moves up eight spots and you only move up one, you’re still the new winner.

[–]loloLogic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's been a well known, albeit unintended, consequence of AA since the beginning. If you Google "primary beneficiaries of affirmative action" you'll pull up study after study and article after article demonstrating this from publications from a wide variety of political and ideological sources. Rather than cherry pick them for you, I would recommend you take a look so you can decide if you think the source(s) to be trustworthy and draw your own conclusions, however, I would hope the sheer volume of articles with the same findings would lend to there being merit to the argument.

[–]fengpi[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Because when the competition comes down to a white woman and a black man, the white woman usually wins. Her vagina doesn't exactly perfectly cancel-out her white privilege, if I am forced to use the terminology.

[–]batdatei 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A black woman wins against a white woman.

[–]fengpi[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

In theory, yes. In practice, not as often as you'd imagine. Being a white girl seems to increase one's white privilege.

The loud obsession with racism is a good camouflage for what's going on underneath. The white girl's demand is that white men be pushed-out and the jobs be given to "women and POC" in that order, with "women" by default being white.

As soon as they are given some tiny little position of authority, they instantly start using it to play favorites.

[–]pepe_the_third21 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

We also need equal representation for the Icelanders and the Burmese. Chop chop, feminists.

[–]fengpi[🍰] 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's be honest: these chicks do not give a shit about improving how a corporation performs. They think corporations are destroying the planet, the shareholders are fatcats and the capitalist system is exploitative. "Oh yes, Bigtime Consulting Inc said that companies with diverse workforces are run better! They return more shareholder value!" Nah, she doesn't give a shit about shareholder value or efficiency, it's an obviously-insincere argument. "This is the male argument!" She thinks "I must make the male argument! I must speak their male language in order to make it sound persuasive! Shareholder value? Yeah yeah, that's the male argument bullshit I gotta say in order to sound like a big smart real grown-up!"

This is about trying to allocate more high-paying jobs out to white girls, camouflaged behind anti-racist appeals. She does not give a shit about how big corporate profits are.

[–]tenchineuro 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

“All these companies have increasing stock prices,” Pao tells OneZero. “You wonder, though, how much more value they could have generated if they had been inclusive from the start. If you aren’t reflective of your customer base, and you’re not representing your worker base, you’re not building the best company possible and the best business possible.”

This is nonsense.

Richard Warr, head of the Department of Business Management at North Carolina State’s Poole College of Management, co-authored a 2018 study that came to similar conclusions: Being inclusive makes a company more innovative in terms of product innovations and patent creation.

Often claimed, never proven. In fact, the data shows otherwise, if this were actually true then no non-diverse company could compete with a diverse company, and yet all the big companies have limited diversity. They hire primarily by ability, not race and sex (often there is nepotism involved).

[–]fengpi[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and you’re not representing your worker base,

So the composition of a company's workforce does not reflect the composition of its workforce. Makes sense.

[–]prof-jay-smith1 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can never trust someone from lolstate.

[–]biscuitgravy 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His wife is now the richest woman in America. How much better "affirmative action" can you get than marriage and divorce?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why don't you split-arses actually get off your ever widening asses and create some of these businesses then?

"That sounds HAAAAARD. I want YOU to do all the hard work and I'll come in and supervise once all the money is there."

Also two words: Carly Fiorina.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So start a company with only nonwhite empowered womyn led according to feminist doctrine.

Do that instead of trying to infiltrate other companies.

Logically they should immediately out-compete any less woke company because gurl power.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They are getting their word order wrong those rascals.

They mean the women would be more successful if hired by high successful tech companies.

[–]fengpi[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha, this. This is obviously the overriding concern.

"Golly, these evil capitalist fatcats would suuure make a lot more money if they gave $100,000 bonuses to people who look like meeee because that would, uh, help shareholder value. Stupid sexist bigwigs don't know how to corporation. I should totally be in charge."

[–]chazfarote 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't want to stir the pot, but this goes back to not enough women in STEM fields, but they don't sign up in the first place.

[–]DJ-Roukan 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Diversity over production is like feelings over facts. Not whether it's right or wrong, but how you feel about it.

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...and that is why our educational system has failed to like 24th among first world countries. This nonsense has taken priority over education and work ethic.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wortk ethics, female...pick one. Ive several examples at my company at the moment. Programmer gurl that spends 1/3 of the time playing with her fucking bunnies!! of all things (literal animals, in cages, company mascots) - instead of going thru tasks. And half of the rest on coffee.

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Cant fire her for not doing her job, tho - you cant legally just fire a preggo here. Then she'll be, most probably, off for 2+ years of maternity, lol. So cant fire her either, gotta keep that sweet spot open for her, just in case she comes back.

[–]S3xb3ard 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is garbage.

The proportion of male executives was similar to the proportion of male workers, with a job described as underpaid and dangerous by the article, which threw a shit fit over the fact that there isn’t enough diversity among executives and suggesting changes, while giving a minimal obligatory nod to those on the work floor. So it’s okay for men to take all the rough, dangerous work, but god forbid they do anything but hire an arbitrarily-based demographically “balanced” board of directors. The entitlement here is ridiculous.

[–]DirtyPedro 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Really tired of of forced diversity. If they want equal numbers, equal numbers of women should take programing classes and pursue technology careers, simple as that. I saw my alma mater bragging about their staff diversity due to organized action to make it more diverse, was cliche and tokenizing. All they need to do is focus on doing the best job possible and hiring the most qualified people - likely to still be diverse. Their obsession with gender and skin color in the first place is part of the problem. A majority of middle school teachers are female, I understand more females pursue that career, so I don't go protest the school board until they hire equal numbers of men for those position when 5 times more women are applying. That would be sexist, just like how it's sexist and racist when people go after companies for this. It's not their fault if the majority of qualified applicants are white males. Diversity comes from the initiative of the underrepresented people, overwhelmingly the lack of diversity isn't due to discrimination of any type. The only way to enforce these types of affirmative action policies is through discrimination, plain and simple, which should be ethically abhorrent to all. Incentivising or forcing female and minority hiring only takes away from the initiative that these individuals took to distinguish themselves instead of celebrating each individual's qualifications and achievements. In reality, that sort of backwards thinking actually only perpetuates and enforces institutionalized sexism and racism rather than actually normalizing diversity.

[–]Mode1961 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have said it before and I will say it again.

If the government came out tomorrow and that mandated that all companies have 50% female CEOs, Every one of those positions would be filled with Upper Class / Rich white women, which is what this is all about, a power grab by white women from MEN.

[–]that_other_guy_ 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If business would be made more successful by employing more women, how come more women aren't starting successful businesses?

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that would mean actually putting in an EFFORT, and she cant have that.

[–]nikolatesla86 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Show correlation between success and diversity and you have an argument, otherwise virtue signaling.

[–]fengpi[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, she did talk about that, uh, paper from Hotshot Consulters Company. That's totally good enough. See? grrl pwr.

[–]Water_Bottle_Lord 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you are a women and want more women at amazon, fucking work there instead of bitching about it.

[–]fengpi[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are a women and want more women at amazon, fucking work there instead of bitching about it.

NO. Men need to make it happen! Women are too busy writing articles about how it's sexist to not give them more money.

[–]assraider21 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder what reasonable explanation the feminists have presented the world with this time. The last reasonable explanation they gave was about how men don’t need to spread their legs and how men can’t be raped because boners are voluntary (btw I heard this from my chemistry teacher, who’s a feminist, obviously)

[–]Asbjoern135 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amazon is worth 800 billion dollars, so let's just assume that Bezos is one greedy motherfucker, why would he then hire incompetent people to squander his money and let his competition get all the qualified workers

[–]gadabout13 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Full of shit. Too many studies show the opposite.

[–]Hot4M 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone be aware! If you a successful white male you are no longer allowed to work with other white males. You must be plotting against every other group on the planet. You are evil./s

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“All these companies have increasing stock prices,” Pao tells OneZero. “You wonder, though, how much more value they could have generated if they had been inclusive from the start.

It sounds like Ellen hasn't learned anything at all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So Jeff Bezos started a $800 billion company that employs more than 600,000 people and serves millions, and some fuckers still complain!

What the fuck is wrong with some people!!!

[–]whatevescom 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I need to find the link to the article about the women that decided to start an all female company. She hired top talent and in less than a year she hated going to work and it was the most toxic place she had ever worked.

The biggest problem with the whole conversation is that women are not inherently better than men. Some people are better than others.

Being a particular gender or race basically has nothing to do with your success in anything. Except child birth I guess..

[–]Jackson2615 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Affirmative action for women, an adjective that describes when women join a business or company, after a man has taken all the risks and put up the money to start the business, worked 24/7 to get the business established and prosperous, and demand to be given promotions and positions where they can benefit from the work of others without taking any risks...……………………...

[–]BetterBadIdeas 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Anyone else starting to see articles like this as just feminists pointing at things they want and shouting "gimme"?

[–]EricAllonde[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep.

They're the gender parasites, living off the hard work of men while they suck the life out of the things men build.

[–]abc12312312312341 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Theranos.

[–]bman00011 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Collectivists gonna categorize people. It's the only thing they know how to do.

[+]dwit34a -31 points-30 points-29 points 7 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

White men have access to capital and networks non-white men don't. This is how white men reproduce and maintain their power. And we need to change it if we are to survive as a country or species.

[–]EricAllonde[S] 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh.

VCs will back anyone's startup if they're confident they'll turn a profit by doing so. They backed Elizabeth Holmes in Theranos for years without seeing any evidence that her claimed blood testing technology actually works. In fact there's a good argument for claims that the VCs were gullible in Holmes' case, that they demanded less evidence from her than they would have from a white male founder in the same situation, because they were so desperate to be seen to be politically correct by backing founders who are not straight white men.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Change what? Rewarding productivity?

That's a bold strategy, Cotton.

[–]tenchineuro 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

White men have access to capital and networks non-white men don't. This is how white men reproduce and maintain their power. And we need to change it if we are to survive as a country or species.

I think you'd be happier in some race based sub where you can hate white men in like-minded company. Actually r\feminism will probably also fill your need.

[–]mrstickman -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a very clever way to avoid linking to a subreddit. I look forward to stealing that without attribution. ;)

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a very clever way to avoid linking to a subreddit. I look forward to stealing that without attribution. ;)

That's what I did! :-)

[–]fengpi[🍰] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

So what you're saying is that if a white man owns a store, he will only sell goods to other white men and ignore other customers? Yes? That's the most likely conclusion from your statement. Because people who lend capital to create new businesses tend to think in a similar way.

I'm very curious about this ironclad assumption that a white dude will do absolutely nothing in his life except for discriminating against people and he cannot do anything besides that. Is this a great assumption to make? That someone's skin color absolutely determines their racist decision making and they cannot decide things any other way, even when it would be in their best interest to do so?

[–]dwit34a -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

White men don't mind selling to POC to make money. Jeff is no different. But did you even read the article where it said that there were no blacks on the board or execs and hardly any in management? That's white supremacy recreating itself. A company may sell to blacks and Hispanics, but it's racism is shown when it comes to hiring and promoting them to decision-making positions, it discriminates against them. This is by definition what white supremacy is--exploit and oppress.

[–]fengpi[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

White men don't mind selling to POC to make money.

But they're crazy evil racists! Of course they WOULD mind selling to POC! They'd surely prefer to deny goods to POC! That would maintain white power and help keep POC under the boot heel. If you don't sell food to POC, they starve. Cut off the water and electricity to a POC's house, they can't live. This is what white people do, yes? That's the only thing they do. This is how white supremacy works, surely: oppress people at the expense of moneymaking.

...I think you're making some really jaundiced but silly assumptions, chum. I'm pretty sympathetic to your argument and I am aware of history, but going all Marcus Garvey isn't a winning strategy either.

[–]dwit34a 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Clearly you have a low IQ. I can't talk to you anymore if you think that a person would refuse to sell to another while they stand a chance to make a profit.

[–]fengpi[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet, you wholly believe such a person will refuse to invest capital in a firm while they stand a chance to make a buck.

[–]Maito_Guy 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

The capital doesn't generate itself, it is due to hard work or the hard work of parents, same with the access to networks. Asian men and women out earn white men, so do indians and second generation nigerian immigrants. The problem is that black and latino men are behind in two of the biggest predictors of success, coming from a stable two parent family and IQ.

[+]dwit34a -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Yea I wonder why black people are behind? It wouldn't be because of slavery, Jim Crow and current systemic racism now wouldn't it? The fact that Nigerians do better illustrates that the cause of the black experience is white supremacy and black oppression.

[–]MasterPhil99 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Nigerians do better because of white supremacy and black oppression?

I'm sorry, I don't know what you want to say

[–]fengpi[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he's saying that white people are so racist that they will refrain from oppressing Nigerians. In order to gaslight the other POC and keep them confused, perhaps.

Whitey is very clever, but also weirdly stupid.

[–]dwit34a -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Nigerians' success shows the capability of blacks if it were not for white supremacy/oppression they live under everyday--even before birth!

Look at it this way, if being dark skinned/black was the reason why blacks are not able to move forward, then why are Nigerians able to do so? Maybe it's because from the moment they are born they are not seeing their families gunned won by cops, being depicted on TV as inferior criminals, seeing their fathers sent to prison for the smallest errors, drugs being put into their community with the full knowledge that they are left out of the economic system and their only survival option is to sell drugs, and the system of white supremacy doing everything to disenfranchise them from banking, education, housing, and even their own livelihood?

There is no difference between blacks and Nigerians except that blacks are the byproduct of 400 years of lynching, oppression, rape, murder and miseducation under the direct control of white supremacy.

[–]MasterPhil99 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

do you havy any sources on all of this?

[–]tenchineuro 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It wouldn't be because of slavery, Jim Crow and current systemic racism now wouldn't it?

Slavery ended in 1863, Jim Crow ended in 1964 and the current systemic racism is against white men.

[–]dwit34a -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're showing that you are so privileged you think that someone calling out the evil you do is somehow oppression. Oppression is seeing your family members gunned down unarmed by police officers and watching a system protects them. Oppression is seeing white supremacists institutions doing everything they can to ruin your community yet protected.

Please don't talk when you don't know much white man. We're done listening to you.

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

You're showing that you are so privileged you think that someone calling out the evil you do is somehow oppression.

What evil do I do?

Oppression is seeing your family members gunned down unarmed by police officers

The police kill more whites than blacks, but white lives don't matter, do they? And far more black me are gunned down in the inner cities by their compatriots than are killed by police, but those lives don't count either because they don't support your narrative.

Please don't talk when you don't know much white man. We're done listening to you.

You'd have have been listening before you can stop.

[–]dwit34a -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh so that's why there's a disproportionate # of white men going to prison right? Actually there aren't. White men have rigged the whole system to oppress POC. It's clear in the data. I guess you may as well keep it up while you can--evil oppressors.

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Where did you learn your song and dance?

[–]dwit34a 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

How does it feel to look in the mirror and to know that your whiteness represents the epitome of death and destruction?

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How does it feel to look in the mirror and to know that your whiteness represents the epitome of death and destruction?

Dunno, how about you?

Are you a communist by any chance? You speak their language.

[–]Maito_Guy 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What? How would second generation Nigerians do better than white people because of white supremacy and black oppression? It is due to the fact they tend to come from two parent families with a strong focus on hard work and education(just like asians and indians). How would any of these groups outperform whites in a white supremacist society?

If you want to talk about blacks specifically they have the lowest average IQ, highest rates of single parenthood and as opposed to the strong focus on education and hard work that the aformentioned groups are raised with they get "the talk" and a bunch of self defeatist victim narratives. It has nothing to do with racism, blacks are advantaged by the system(quotas in education and employment).

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