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Woman is convicted of having someone else's baby boy circumcised without the parents' consent. Unbelievably escapes jail since penalties as per FGM don't apply.

cdh1003

November 15, 2019
1586 upvotes
/r/MensRights

https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2019/09/a-woman-is-convicted-over-circumcision-what-happens-next

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Title Woman is convicted of having someone else's baby boy circumcised without the parents' consent. Unbelievably escapes jail since penalties as per FGM don't apply.
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cdh1003

Upvotes 1586
Comments 160
Date November 15, 2019 6:10 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/dwuj9f/woman_is_convicted_of_having_someone_elses_baby/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/woman-is-convicted-of-having-someone-elses-baby.1202722
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Comments

[–]OrionTheWolf 456 points457 points458 points 6 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

So glad that you can circumcise someone else’s son without anyone’s consent and you won’t get punished, such privilege in male bodily autonomy

[–]A_one_legged_man 221 points222 points223 points 6 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

The patriarchy is real. Just think, this cis white baby boy is going to live the rest of his life with mutilated genetalia and on top of that, he will know the person who ordered it got away scott free! Such privilege!

[–]OrionTheWolf 99 points100 points101 points 6 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Don’t be silly boys genitals can’t be mutilated

[–]A_one_legged_man 71 points72 points73 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

It's much more hygienic!

[–]robcars 49 points50 points51 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

80% of the world is not circumcised. It doesn't seem to stop the Chinese and the Hindus from having more children or all the latins. It was so unhygienic the world population would have died out years ago except now except now we are approaching 7 billion people on this planet. Oh and by the way I have dated Latin and Indian man and Asian man and they were all uncut not circumsized.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget all those poor animals stuck with horrible foreskins! I've heard the camels are going extinct because they can't shower in the desert.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We're approaching 8 billion now

[–]perplexedm 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hindus even consider it as a shameful taboo.

[+]A_one_legged_man -17 points-16 points-15 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sarcasm. Can you not tell me and OP are mocking it?

[–]_Marven101 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They were also being sarcastic

[–]OrionTheWolf 30 points31 points32 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know why anyone would care that something was cut off them, it’s not like it would have some reason to be there or anything. Evolution is wrong on this one because the state knows better

[+][deleted] -17 points-16 points-15 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

reported this as hate speech

[–]OrionTheWolf 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s satire, didn’t think I had to label with the tone set earlier

[–]ODSTRomeo419 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I like how this has 12 upvotes and your previous comment remained at -12. Is everyone equally lazy about fixing upvotes when they change their opinion on your comments? I feel bad lol

[–]OrionTheWolf 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess lol Don’t feel bad, it’s cool, I’ve gotten my most upvoted comment here so -12 won’t impact much

[–]MRRamming 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Please tell me that was sarcasm

[–]OrionTheWolf 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m British what do you think? ;)

[–]MRRamming 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thank god when do we begin the crusade to purge the third world trash

[–]OrionTheWolf 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m drinking tea in my Pyjamas so not tonight

[–]A_one_legged_man 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Deus lo vult

[–]QuintenBoosje 127 points128 points129 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

X-posting this to r/feminism, hehe

[–]quarthomon 94 points95 points96 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Looks like your post got caught in their badthink filter. You didn't really think it was gonna be that easy?

[–]sexytimeinseattle 36 points37 points38 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know

For a second there

Yeah

I kinda did

[–]DMC41 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Why? What point does it have except for trolling? Unless there’s a reason,it just gives this sub a bad name.

[–]Thomas_Daniel_Bones 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Feminism fights for equality between all the genders. Male counts as a gender.

[–]blackhole885 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it doesn't lol

[–]DMC41 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That sub’s name is dumb and doesn’t focus on men,but even then,it’s still mindless trolling that achieves nothing.

[–]livelauglove 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is it really? It's a sub dedicated to fighting for the rights of both genders. Based on that you'd think this is perfect content for that sub! I don't see that as trolling.

[–]DMC41 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The dumb part is that it’s not for both genders. It’s basically false advertisement. It says feminism,even though it’s just for empowering woman. Still,posting that is trolling,and at that,trolling the at isn’t very original. But yes,I do agree that you should be able to post that there,but from my experience with the sub(which is limited),it’s not about equality,it’s about equality if it were the 50s. But you do you dude,it’ll probably get insta banned anyway.

[–]livelauglove 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I'm not the type who bothers going to shit subs to annoy the basement dwellers. I'm just poking some fun.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This guy does not fuck

[–]HNutz 40 points41 points42 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"But Obi-Uzom will not go to jail. She was given a suspended sentence of 14 months. She was also ordered to pay costs of £1,500 and a £140 victim surcharge, which seems paltry compensation for amputating part of a person's genitals without consent or medical need. "

Fucking insane.

[–]RagingHardBull 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What would happen if a man chopped off a woman's breast? That is a legal and normal procedure done, so it is comparable to circumcision.

I somehow doubt that the penalty would be a mere $1500 and no-jail.

[–]Brandwein 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Prevention of breast cancer. Why isn't it done more? /s

[–]DerangedGinger 89 points90 points91 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

How does amputating part of person's body and making false claims in order to accomplish it NOT come with jail time? That's a disgusting violation of another person's bodily autonomy no matter what part of their body was removed.

[–]boxsterguy 74 points75 points76 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The UK intentionally avoids jailing women whenever possible by design. To be jailed as a woman you literally have to kill someone, and even then it's not a guaranteed thing.

[–]robcars 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because I still have a king and queen in their dealing with the feudal system that's a thousand years old. That is why my family left. My family is related to William Pitt the Elder and their daughter married beneath themselves or their class and so they decided to leave they actually were smart.

[–]altruisticnarcissist 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also doesn't jail anyone for genital mutilation - male or female - either. I believe in something like 3k reported cases of fgm in the UK literally 2 or 3 people have faced any legal consequences because the legal system is as afraid of locking up muslims as it is women.

On top of that I believe male genital mutilation isn't even considered a crime to not offend jews and muslims.

The woman was charged with grievous bodily harm which translates to assault for non-brits. She was charged because the parents didn't consent, nothing to do with mgm which isn't a crime or the infant boy's bodily autonomy.

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points49 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

The UK came out last year saying they won’t jail women anymore for most crimes because it’s cruel and unusual punishment for them

[–]robcars 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cruel and unusual punishment for men. The world is overpopulated and just because you can keep overpopulating by having more babies you get a free pass.

[–]GermanShepherdAMA 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Source?

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Literally first hit on my first Google search.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/26/justice-secretary-dont-send-women-prison-unless-commit-violent/

[–]GermanShepherdAMA 25 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck? How is nobody talking about this?

[–]Cum_Master_0 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are considered disposable.

[–]A_one_legged_man 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, we are. They aren't

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No idea. I remember lots of posts here last year, but no one gives enough of a fuck when inequality benefits women. It's abject state-mandated sexism, but if anyone cares it's easy enough to call them a misogynist and ruin their reputation, so most who do care are cowed into acceptance.

[–]perplexedm 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do you think there are lot of people in this sub?

[–]Blarty97 51 points52 points53 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

There were three people involved who conspired to do this. That is shocking.

[–]ODSTRomeo419 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Don't immediately presume based on limited information that all parties involved were conspirators. If this woman perpetrated this deceptive act, who's to say she didn't lie about consent to the man involved, telling him she had the consent of the parents, and not to mention it because of the paperwork involved if found out, etc, and that the parents were just busy. Or perhaps she could have told the man allegedly posing as the father that the real parents were illegal immigrants risking deportation or otherwise in order to coerce his silence. If she's known to have told one lie, and many others that are documented, then who's to say she didn't tell lies to everyone involved? Clearly she was motivated and involved to the extent that she went to this extreme length - why would she not go to a further length? I'm merely saying that you should be careful what "facts" you might think you know about any case such as this. Playing Devil's Advocate on reddit is such a bitch, having to type so much lol

[–]Blarty97 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You need to be careful what assumptions you are making about people that involve themselves in mutilation without appropriately checking what they are doing. You should be careful what "facts" you might think you know about any case such as this. Advocating for the "Devil" on Reddit is such a bitch.

[–]ODSTRomeo419 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was advocating for waiting for the facts to come out before passing judgement, otherwise this is anger I hold in my mind for something I don't even the entirety of, which is unhealthy. It's important to stay on the topic, and pass your judgement when the facts are known, but it's appropriate to wait for those facts, lest you make yourself look stupid, and hold anger for specific people for no reason at all, which is detrimental to your ability to think clearly in other situations as well. Fuck me, my bad. I don't need facts. Everyone involved is automatically bad because bad. Burn them all, regardless of what facts come out. Is that better?

[–]robcars -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Maybe someone should cut off your genitalia.

[+]ODSTRomeo419 -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh yeah I'd fucking love that. Obviously this shit is super fucked but you're really gonna make me say that because you were too fucking lazy to think about what I typed. Impartiality is the keystone to equality of any kind, and when you fail to think impartially and based on known facts of a case, you're given so much leeway that you risk going down the rabbit hole that feminism gets shit on for. I'm an avid member of this community and read it regularly and support it, because by definition and name it's goal is to retain our rights as men, and not be diminished as lesser than women. Are you seriously gonna fucking downvote me for being impartial in this case? Impartial simply meaning that we go on fact - the way you'd want women to be treated impartially to men for the same crimes in the same court room. Use your fucking brain and READ, and then THINK about why you're in this community. I read about the toxic feminists and am against that crazy shit I see in the Feminism subreddit all the time, and your displayed downvote and negative response to my comment expressing the importance of impartiality as a principle (which you, being in this group, should uphold), puts you into the group of people who are clearly biased against the other gender, and unwilling to overlook it in order to effectively interpret something you misinterpreted in the first place. I can forgive you for it easily, and there's nothing wrong with making this mistake, because I can understand the extreme emotions that come with this kind of crime. This was an awful thing, and everyone who is proven to be involved should face serious consequences. I merely stated that you shouldn't immediately convict the people who we don't even know the names of yet. Imagine if you were a priest or a Mohel, and you were tricked into doing this (something you do for people regularly) Wouldn't you feel fucking awful? Wouldn't you feel like you violated someone? We don't even know WHO these people are YET, and I said you should withhold judgement until those facts are presented accurately and fully, and you downvote me. Fuck, I'm sorry I'm not a woman hating person who accuses people and convicts them in my mind when I don't even know everything about the situation, MY FUCKING BAD. (That last part was sarcasm to better illustrate how you fucked up) Make this right.

[–]robcars 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't hate women that make more homosexuals and more men to look at

[–]McFeely_Smackup 23 points24 points25 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Judge Freya Newbery said although the offence merited a prison sentence, "circumstances" meant she decided to suspend the sentence. The judge said she accepted that Obi-Uzom's intention "wasn't to harm the boy" and that she was of "impeccable character".

she's of impeccable character...except for the conspiracy to comit a sexual mutilation of a child. But that doesn't count, I guess.

Female judge...just saying.

[–]excess_inquisitivity 36 points37 points38 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait two years, declare the child a girl and reapply for outrage.

[–]Sininenn 47 points48 points49 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Patriarchy in action I see, opressing those women and privileging that white male.

[–]EvilLothar 33 points34 points35 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If this woman doesn't disappear back to whatever shit hole country she came from, I would be very surprised if she doesn't end up murdered. what parent would let someone who mutilated their baby continue to live?

[–]Cum_Master_0 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The father has two pragmatic choices. Kill her as she deserves and end up in jail for a long time or.... Try and keep his family together. The state has become the devil. They don't care about any singular person they just care that they get theirs.

[–]A_one_legged_man 43 points44 points45 points 6 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

This is shocking, but the article is wrong to imply circumcision is a Christian belief. This is not true.

[–]Pocket_MonSTAR8 38 points39 points40 points 6 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Yep, it’s Jewish. Good catch.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

And islamic

[–]JayPx4 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

To be fair Islam copied most of Judaism's playbook.

[–]robcars 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Before that I was away to Mark the slaves

[–]FaerilyRowanwind 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s because they are split from Abraham. Issac is Jewish where as a Ishmael line went in to be Muslim.

[+]ICEKAT -19 points-18 points-17 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

And Christian.

[–]JayPx4 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

If isn’t Christian. Paul actually says you don’t need it to be Christian, it’s a Jewish thing not a new Christian thing. Also you have to remember that circumcision was required when in the desert with no water. In Rome, with better water and more of it (and aqueducts) circumcision was no longer needed

[–]ICEKAT 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That might be true, but when does the bible stop Christians from making things that aren't Christian, into Christian things? Read what kabar said below. Protestant septs, and portions of American Catholics believe it is, hence it's Christian.

[–]tj_km0 points 6 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

True, but it seems like most evangelicals here on America like chopping off dicks for some reason.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because some dude restarted it. I’m not sure what the reason it honestly. Evangelicals will tell you it’s for all of God’s children, /pol/ will tell you it’s the jews causing it

[–]KaBar42 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m not sure what the reason it honestly.

John Harvey Kellogg (yes, of Kellogg cereal fame) promoted it as a way to stop young boys from masturbating. He believed it would take the pleasure away from masturbating.

No, it's not a Jewish conspiracy, /pol/ thinks everything is a Jewish conspiracy. They would think a bad bout of weather is a Jewish conspiracy. And Catholic dogma doesn't require it. I'm sure there's at least one protestant off-shoot that reverted back to certain Jewish traditions, such as RIC, but Catholic dogma doesn't require it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Catholics don’t. Certain Protestants do. Albeit now it’s more cosmetic than religious

[–]KaBar42 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Catholics don’t.

Oh, Catholics certainly do. At least American Catholics do. But it likely has more to do with society expecting men to be circumcised then religious beliefs, same with most Protestant branches.

[–]LadyKnight151 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Any Christian who claims it's for religious reasons is very, very misinformed about their own religion. It is stated multiple times in the New Testament that Christians MUST NOT be circumcised as it goes against the new covenant with Jesus

Galatians 5:1-6

1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

[–]ICEKAT 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're very very misinformed about their religion on a nearly daily basis, why would this be any different?

[–]functionalsociopathy 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's amazing how hard they cling to a practice that's been bastardized a few dozen times over the past few millennia, most recently by a 7 Day Adventist.

[–]Brandwein 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Welp, guess if its religion its fine. How about domestic abuse against women? Oh yeah thats not fine regardless.

[–]A_one_legged_man 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean?

[–]Brandwein 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry. The former was written on phone on a bus. I mean that for circumcision, society seems to think that bodily autonomy of the infant is less important than the right to practice religion of the parents. But of course when it comes to domestic violence against women, which is also preached in some religions in form of 'disciplining', we would never think of it as okay or exempt it from the law. Exactly how it should be, but there seems to be some cognitive dissonance for circumcision.

[–]A_one_legged_man 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but my point is that circumcision is not even a Christian belief

[–]robcars 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct it is not. And besides 80% of the world is not circumcised.

[–]gnarlin 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So, if woman can do it, what the fuck do you think would happen if a man would do the very same thing? How many consecutive death sentences would he get?

[–]LearnerSenpai 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean... It does happen in third world countries to women by men all the time. Doesn't make either thing okay, but yeah it does happen to ladies to. The only difference is that it's considered butchering a ladies body, where when it's a guy it's "keeping him healthy, and deviant free."

[–]Nerfixion 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

What a fucking horror story. I feel like lying on a consent form is enough of a crime with out the added gential mutilation.

Seriously Id want to be able to sue of the lost sensitivity if it happened to me.

[–]LearnerSenpai 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

To be honest this isn't really possible.... I lost most of the sensation in my penis after my foreskin was cut off. But I didn't realize that something was wrong with the sensation I was having until almost the age of 14. By that time they consider the statute of limitations, sadly this topic does lie under this description. So after 10 years I lost all rights too pursue the person who mutilated me.

Either way, I guess the most any of us guys can do is just deal with what's happened to us, and try to make sure it doesn't happen to or kids. If it does, then push as hard as you can against the courts. This whole situation is fucked up.

I should have been given a choice.

[–]Nerfixion 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's kind of terrifying that you can harm a child but because they won't be educated in the steps to get justice within a time limit they simply don't get it.

[–]LearnerSenpai 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah trust me, there are times in my life where I just shut down and turn to rage, and depression just because I have no way to get any closer, or even be able to find a way to deal with the physical problems that came from it being botched.

No matter how many times I bring this up, 8 out of 10 people I talk to about this still think cutting someones sexual organ is healthy in the slightest when you compare the possible nasty side affects.

This may be something that isn't a "life threatening" issue. But this specific issue leads to so many other major emotional problems like relationships and self-esteem. That honestly this should matter more.

But like everyone says men are replaceable, so why does it matter when their life is permanently changed because of someone else's choice.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is the belief that children can be forced into religious membership. It doesn’t matter what religion, circumcision of infants or children for the purpose of the religious beliefs of others is forced religious membership.

[–]mooncow-pie 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yo what the FUCK.

[–]CALAMITYFOX 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nigerian Christian? It is a Jewish custom. The Christian New Testament does not hold us to Jewish laws like those.

It's either Nigerian custom or Jewish , not Christian

[–]MRRamming 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You want a race war because that's how you start a race war

[–]rabel111 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why was the mutilation of this child trivialised.

Why was the mutilation of a infant penis not prosecuted as a sexual assault.

Why was this professional treated so lightly, when in any other circumstance a professional would be treated more severely than a lay person, having a position of privilege demanding a higher level of accountability.

BECAUSE THE VICTIM WAS MALE.

[–]blazexddd 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck the UK. Every single part of it that is like this.

[–]robcars 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Troy and Society men are just disposable things. They're just cannon fodder. Christina is only useful to start a war and useful for a paycheck. Unfortunately it seems as though men have no value in current Society.

[–]2paxSugar 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It has to be a battery at the very least?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this is so fucking sad, but 'Oh nO thE Air ConDitiOnInG iS sExIsT'

[–]functionalsociopathy 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is buried in a shallow grave territory. If the courts keep refusing to hold women like this responsible they're probably going to end up doing it to a family that really doesn't appreciate it.

[–]MysteryGentleman 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very few things would drive me to commit murder.

[–]username001776 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uncool...

[–]Bannyflaster 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He will live his life with a de-sensitized penis. Why is she getting away with that

[–]Stephancevallos905 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

FGM?

[–]alc0 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Female genital mutilation.

[–]HotDrunkMoms 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

FGM? Field Goals Made?

[–]NotGabeNAMA 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow this is pissing me off.

[–]robcars 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, very true

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit WHAT IS SOCIETY DOING?!

[–]ODSTRomeo419 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I commented something else in here to explain why we shouldn't convict people in our minds before we find all the facts, and got dowvoted a bunch so if anyone else is alive in here and sees this, lemme explain my comment in a much simpler way. Radical Feminists: something happened to a woman, throw facts and data in the case out the door immediately, the man did something wrong! Burn him! Burn everyone involved and the others allegedly involved! Men who responded to my comment negatively: something happened to this boy, throw facts and data in this case out the door immediately, the woman did something wrong! Burn her! Burn everyone involved and the others allegedly involved! Can someone tell me why I got downvoted? Or at least support this defense of waiting for due process because holy fucking donkey dick, I feel like I got targeted by some people who fail to use their brain.

[–]WeedleTheLiar 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The person in the article was convicted by a UK court; the facts are in. What are you trying to say, exactly?

[–]ODSTRomeo419 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The other guy isn't to be found. That's not all the facts. What's his side? He could have very easily been misled by this clearly deceptive woman because the man was tricked into helping. That's not all the facts, once again.

[–]KaBar42 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen like... maybe one person talk about the guy. Everyone else is focused on the woman because it's clear she was the main perpetrator of this event.

[–]LearnerSenpai 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

So I get what you're saying, but you do realize this isn't really about women? It's just about someone (whether it be a woman or man) who we can obviously see has mutilated a little boy's penis is just getting a slap on the wrist because of her gender.

The reason people are having an issue with your comments is you're trying to downplay the situation at hand by trying to throw doubt in the mix. To be honest, the doubt you are throwing is the main issue because it doesn't really change anything that has happened. Just because someone's testimony is missing doesn't change that a lady did that to a little boy, and it wouldn't be any different if it was a man doing this besides a woman.

I checked up on the case at hand, and read your comments from a while back. Just because we are missing the one guy's side of the story really doesn't mean anything. The whole point of this subject and news article are to show that someone got away with mutilating someone, which we are all in agreement that this actually happened, even the judge admitted it through obviously charging her with the suspension.

I don't really have an issue with what you are saying in general because you are basically summing up that people need to keep an open mind about the situation before throwing their hat in the ring, and I actually support that 100%. And I do agree that people can be really vicious about certain subjects so automatically attacking people is commonplace. But again, to sum things up for you I do think that you are right in your perspective, but all the facts that we need to sum up the situation are there to see. So if you want to reply to this then I actually would have a question for you.

What possible testimony could this man have (the man that told this woman that she could give the little boy the circumcision) that could have to change the entirety of the situation? What would have given this woman a free ride and be cleared of all charges? I thought that nurses, doctors, and anyone in the medical field are supposed to double and triple check permissions before committing to a surgery of any kind, especially if it is a non-life threatening cosmetic surgery.

And all of this is coming from an actual circumcision mutilation survivor. Just to explain how bad it is, I generally don't have any sensation at the end of my penis, there are some spots that feel something but its pretty dull. So I know all the issues and possible downsides that come with having this happen to someone. So remember that I didn't really get upset at you at all, and just wanted to clear things up okay?

[+]laithgh37 -14 points-13 points-12 points 6 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link

I’m a guy but I don’t understand why are other men so opposed to circumcision, can someone explain this to me? I tried googling it but couldn’t get a clear answer and it would be great to know about this topic as well because it concerns me.

Edit: no idea why I’m downvoted, I’m out of the loop and want to know more about the topic.

[–]MAGA_For_The_Future 31 points32 points33 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's essentially a cosmetic surgery, there's slim to no benefits unless you already have a family history of penis problems (phimosis, penile cancers, etc) and the risks are real (infection, "oops we cut too much," and one study found that the pain permanently alters a child's brain structure in small but real ways). Also, it permanently diminishes sexual pleasure. Finally, the infants in question can't consent. You wouldn't pierce your baby's ears or bind their feet because that "looks better," so why cut the baby dick to acquiesce to society's silly standard of what a penis is "supposed" to look like? He can always have it cut later if it's that important to him, at which point the health risks are much smaller.

BTW I didn't downvote you, it was a fair question.

[–]laithgh37 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I wasn’t talking about you downvoting me, I was talking about others. Interesting points that you’ve brought up though, I have only recently heard about this issue that men have with circumcision, will keep it in my mind for my future son. Can you clear up one thing for me, you mentioned that the pain can change the brain structure, in what ways? And what are the effect of this change? Thanks for the informative comment.

[–]MAGA_For_The_Future 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/#n65

http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/immerman2/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage

https://circumcision.org/circumcision-permanently-alters-the-brain/

https://web.sonoma.edu/users/h/hessm/425-files/psychological_impact_of_circumcision.pdf

https://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/for-professionals/psychological-impact/

It basically gives the boy PTSD. The sudden flood of stress overtaxes the boy's stress hormone production and makes him generally more susceptible to stress for the rest of his life, and the general loss of a sense of safety and security and especially trust in his caregivers puts him at greater risk for attachment, mood, and many other psychological disorders. The reason that boys are more likely than girls to develop ADHD and autism is likely due at least in part to the fact that boys are forced to undergo this trauma as infants. (Tons of studies on that, just google circumcision and AHDH or autism)

[–]FaerilyRowanwind 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s considered a type of trauma. The trauma itself affects the brain. The pain is very real and there is no anesthesia for it so they feel the entire thing.

[–]laithgh37 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow that’s horrible. I’ve always felt creeped out by the fact that doctors come and cuts skin off of your penis, I will never forget the day that the doctor came home to do it for my little brother, I couldn’t bring my self to sit in the same floor and went upstairs but I could still hear the cries coming from downstairs and I remember being so worried that he might accidentally cuts it off and I still remember the stress from that day very clearly.

[–]notwhelmed 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Heres a very simple answer. Why in 2019 (or any time) do we consider it ok to cut anything off a penis without consent? We have acknowledged that FGM is bad, because it is mutilation without consent. It was a ritual practice done for either religious or cultural reasons. Why is there any consideration that circumcision is anything but MGM?

We are opposed to it, simply because there is no reason to mutilate anybody without their explicit consent.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Can potentially lead to damage in life,its without consent and it makes your sex lifes worse(women are 3x less likely to cum).

[–]laithgh37 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I’m a virgin but how can it affect sex?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

https://sciencenordic.com/denmark-gender-hiv/male-circumcision-leads-to-a-bad-sex-life/1371590

[–]laithgh37 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Interesting I never knew that. Thank you very much this is an important issue but can you use this argument with a woman? I feel if we ever say that then they will say that sex is all we think about.

[–]Meto1183 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly the only argument you should need is my body my choice, but somehow that doesn't fly

[–]laithgh37 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was about to say this like so many women say that sentence to defend abortion and something else I think? yet they are currently forcing men into circumcision.

[–]KaBar42 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m a guy but I don’t understand why are other men so opposed to circumcision, can someone explain this to me? I tried googling it but couldn’t get a clear answer and it would be great to know about this topic as well because it concerns me.

It's a mostly irreversible cosmetic surgery that has no known health benefits. It chops off an essential part of the body that evolution has not yet deemed irrelevant.

The male foreskin is the equivalent of a female clitoral hood. Cutting off a female infant's clitoral hood is criminalized as FGM, yet cutting off a male foreskin is legal, despite the two body parts being the exact same. And there are some cultures out there who practice this type of FGM, only the removal of the clitoral hood. However, despite it being the exact same as male circumcision, these cultures are demonized as practicing FGM, which the MSM has solely explained the most extreme type (removal of the clitoral hood, clitoris, sewing the vagina shut, etc) but haven't shown the milder types, such as just the removal of the hood.

So if we can't remove the clitoral hood of a female infant, which serves the exact same purpose as a male foreskin, why can we circumcise infant boys?

Now understand this, I'm not saying we should accept either MGM or FGM just because it's milder then the more extreme types. But we have to be consistent with our beliefs. Either it's fine to remove the male foreskin as well as the female clitoral hood, or it's not fine to remove either.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It’s only useful if you live in the desert with little water

[–]laithgh37 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Not sure what that means....

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Literally there is no modern use for cutting it off. Living in desert you’ll get sand stuck there, causing irritation and infection, killing you. You have no water to clean it off regularly

[–]GermanShepherdAMA 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you’re a soldier it might be important, but for 90% of people it’s not necessary. And mutilating people’s genitals for a possible future benefit is idiotic.

[–]laithgh37 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh ok now I get it. I feel so stupid, i haven’t really heard about this issue until recently.

[–]that-guy-with-art 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I got called a troll for asking, so yeah it's kind of common around here. Still a great sub though.

[–]dj_crosser 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's not bad to be circumcised

[–]theskullcrusher8776 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No consent many times done without anesthesia no benefit sensitivity loss and it affects the brain due to trauma

[–]backyardmoonshine -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

FGM is different as it causes a lot more trauma to the body. The male equivalent would be cutting the head off the penis. While circumcision is wrong it (in general) causes minimal long lasting harm and has a very low mortality rate.

[–]theskullcrusher8776 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It affects the brain due to pain and all your life you will have less sensitivity

[–]backyardmoonshine -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but that's a lot less damage than FGM which has a super high mortality rate and causes frequent infection and reopening of wounds for most of the person's life. It's also traditionally done before a person's wedding night so they have these fresh open wounds durin that.

[–]theskullcrusher8776 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't change the fact that mgm is horrible and should be banned too

[–]backyardmoonshine -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Okay but it does make sense that it's not treated under the same law as they both hold different cultural significances, are done at different ages and have different levels of bodily harm caused to the person.

[–]theskullcrusher8776 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ou my bad it has cultural significance so we should be able to force it upon people my bad im stupid. In all seriousness we have to ban both I don't care about tradition I'd rather force people to not be able to do it rather than have people be able to force it upon others

[–]backyardmoonshine -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well both have cultural significance, im not even arguing for MGM, both are wrong. I'm just saying FGM causes more bodily harm and is done primarily to young adults so it's treated differently and should have different laws surrounding it as it is entirely different and holds a completely different social significance. The power complex surrounding FGM is far different from that of MGM.

[–]theskullcrusher8776 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And what does it add to the mgm discussion.?

[–]backyardmoonshine -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because the post talks about how the FGM penalties weren't applied in this case.....

[–]Hiddiepiddie -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is so unbelievably sickening. However, since my parents are doctors and I know this stuff a bit, FGM is really dangerous to a females health and male circumcision is actually more hygienic. Doesn't take away the fact that this bitch posed as a different person and caused lifetime harm to a baby boy, only to get sentenced around 600 pounds.

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[–]HierEncore -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

4 downvotes and a guy with a PhD in penises...

[+]Mar_Ci -8 points-7 points-6 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

As infuriating as it was what the woman done, comparing circumcision to FGM is ridiculous. Circumcision have only cosmetic effects and there even may be health benefits and better sexual performance. FGM prevents women to have clitorial orgasm and come with a dozen health risks with no benefits what so ever.

[–]theskullcrusher8776 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It removes sensitivity like a lot and is often done without anesthesia

[–]Mar_Ci -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not promoting it or anything but I doubt that it hurts more than having the baby's ear pierced (which I oppose btw but a lot of people do it) and less sensivity delays ejaculation which is not a bad thing az all.

[–]theskullcrusher8776 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It is just like removing a nail without anesthesia but even worse

[–]Mar_Ci -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's over before the baby realizes what's going on. Vaccination hurts too yet here we are.

[–]theskullcrusher8776 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes but circumcision without anesthesia can lead the baby into shock and it affects their brain on the area where you feel emotions. Also a seringue and cutting off the most sensitive part of the body is not comparable that is like comparing breaking a bone with getting a paper cut

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[–]WeedleTheLiar 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe but... how 'bout don't cut our dick skin?

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[–]shelleon 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Those guys can choose to get themselves circumcised on their own terms. You can’t un-circumcise.

We aren’t deciding what should happen with the dicks? We literally aren’t doing anything, leaving them as they are instead of mutilating them.

What an asshole

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[–]theskullcrusher8776 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are retarted I can't belive someone would actually belive what you just said

[–]theskullcrusher8776 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What about the ones who hate it?

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