America's men are in crisis and it's rooted in one big lie

paul9854 · 2023-05-16T19:02:12+00:00

Get a father to start contributing to his wife and children ... Put a father in the picture.

If you want this to happen, you need to fix the divorce laws and the bias in the family court system.

This article is basically just saying that men need to step up, but it doesn't address any of the reasons why men are in this situation to begin with.

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-05-16T19:35:23+00:00

Eh just another spin from the right blaming men for not “manning up”.

The problem isn’t so much that men are being told they “shouldn’t be leaders, creators, and heroes”, but that there’s little reward anymore for those things and too often penalties. Society needs to make the effort worth it again if it wants men to behave like that.

If there’s a “big lie” that’s causing this crisis, I can think of a more accurate one: women = good and men = bad.

Edit: a quote from the movie WarGames (1983) fits perfectly: “A strange game. The only winning move is to not play.” If you want men to play rather than check out, there has to be a way for them to succeed. My nephew is 17 and decided a few years ago that he doesn’t want to play.

aerial_coitus · 2023-05-16T17:43:00+00:00

At bottom, this critique of men is rooted in a lie: that men shouldn’t be leaders, creators, and heroes, but just consumers looking out for themselves.

I agree. Its a big fat lie. But this is what society actively incentivizes in men. For us to just look out for ourselves. What happens when we men try and look out for women or, heaven forbid, our own family? We get told, in no uncertain terms, to shut the fuck up and stay in our lane. We get silenced and told to get out of the way and let women take charge and lead. Fine then. Be our guest, ladies, go ahead and take charge and save the world. Many men have heard you loud and clear, and we are done with trying to step up and help with much of anything, because we are actively vilified and demonized for any good faith attempt to do so, every time we try.

wumbo-inator · 2023-05-16T21:38:38+00:00

Conservatives are not allies to men and men’s rights.

The role of being a leader, creator, and hero comes with risks, and these positions are not inherently better than other positions. Men should choose what they do and nobody should tell them they should do anything due to their sex.

Additionally, these roles are also used to gaslight men into being expendable resources to society.

Example: the “hero” role is shit that society gaslights men into believing so that way they join the military and die for governments. All for the slim chance that they’ll be a “hero” and finally get respect from society after a childhood of neglect. Enjoy your special monument with your name inscribed thanking you for dying for the military industrial complex. If you’re lucky enough to live, just come on over to the VA so we can show you how much we respect you... just ask the homeless veterans and the veterans blowing their brains out every day. They are real heroes that we respect. That’s what being a hero and getting respect looks like when society tells men to be heroes.

Heroes take a large amount of risks upon themselves to benefit society. But unlike the movies, you don’t wear a cape and get respect. You get used and thrown away because society doesn’t care about men.

Do not confuse traditional gender roles with respecting men. It is brainwashing so you are expended and thrown away. Conservatives have repeatedly fumbled on men’s issues and perpetuated their sexism.

Telling men they have to do these things because of their sex is sexist. We don’t owe society shit. Especially after how much societies suck us dry already.

HamletsRazor · 2023-05-16T21:01:50+00:00

Stop participating.

Make women do all of the things necessary to support their own lives. Stop coddling them. Stop white knighting them. They want relationships to be transactional, let's make relationships transactional.

Enough is enough.

hendrixski · 2023-05-17T04:37:22+00:00

Get the fuck out of here with telling men how we have to be to save the country. Tell the country how it has to be in order to save men.

Don't tell me I have to be stronger. Fuck that noise. I love running and I want to be thinner not stronger so I can run further. Take the "America needs stronger men" bullshit out of here and give me more bike lanes so I can jog alongside my kids while they ride.

General-Teacher5865 · 2023-05-16T23:16:53+00:00

If men had a choice in whether they could be a parent just like women then many women who shouldn't actually be mothers would think twice before trying to baby trap a man because then they wouldn't get incentive for getting themselves willingly knocked up prematurely.

Also, america doesn't need "stronger men". What it needs is to stop trying to advantage literally anyone that isn't a man over men because if they finally have someone who would build them up instead of tearing them down we might just get to a better society because the sooner these feminist originated double standards and hypocrisy are erased and society realizes that it needs men if its ever gonna thrive instead of treating them as disposable cannon fodder and financial slaves then and only then will men be stronger.

HansDevX · 2023-05-16T23:31:53+00:00

The Faux news reporter said "put men in the household to mantain kids" or something among the line - The issue is the government answer is to screw men over and pay for a ridiculous amount of child support. If the female don't want you in the house, that's it. It's ogre for you.

swaite · 2023-05-17T02:45:47+00:00

Not gonna lie, they had me until they started talking about “faith“. Keep that nonsense far away from logical conversation.

Throning · 2023-05-16T18:44:28+00:00

Decent enough article, for the first 2/3.

He can take his religion and screw himself with it for the last third, though.

icedragon71 · 2023-05-17T00:59:46+00:00

Not a very helpful article. For a start, it's Fox,which means it's questionable content for a start. Second,I admit i stopped reading when it got to the part where one solution to the crisis was basically turning back to Jesus. We need practical help and solutions. That's not one of them.

CatacombsRave · 2023-05-17T01:06:40+00:00

The left could win back men by constructively talking about issues that matter to/affect us. Things like Selective Service registration, police brutality, family courts, homelessness, healthcare funding inequality, educational inequality, and more. A lot of the time, I think the left are either just unaware that these issues are real or they think that talking about them would be politically incorrect. Andrew Tate talking about this managed to win over so many young men. Young men who had spent their lives feeling hated, unwanted, ignored, and unloved before they found solace in someone like Tate, who spoke to them. I’ve never really liked Tate, but it’s easy to see why he gained such a following.

In the end, the right doesn’t care about us like they claim to. Hawley, for one, supports the male-only draft and a lot of the GOP oppose equal custody bills.

human-potato_hybrid · 2023-05-17T02:05:22+00:00

Would be a good article if it wasn't written in such a ragebait fashion. The academically written articles posted here are much better for gaining support.

Primary_Force9385 · 2023-05-17T16:14:18+00:00

Fox News: "I know you've just been shot, but I need you to take out the bullet, clean and dress the wound, then get back to work. It's really hurting society you're not doing anything."

AR-2022 · 2023-05-17T06:04:25+00:00

The right of due process, the presumption of innocence, protections in marriage. Where taken by women they can take from us many things but not our hearts and minds.

2023-05-17T11:03:52+00:00

Lol Classic Fox News to say “men need to man up” while sprinkling their right wing dogma..🙄..it’s not so much that men aren’t willing to do those things but there’s little reward and more risk in them and men can also choose to do or be whatever they want like they campaign for women.. this is basically just saying men aren’t following the traditional route while obfuscating that the elites and the people at the top are the ones who created the “consumer” and basically just created the problem. This is like the “women aren’t being mothers” thing that they keep pushing as if it’s wrong. They want men stagnant and still the “workhorse” “disposable” group while simultaneously asking why that has led to so many men’s worsening mental health..

Dapper_Platform_1222 · 2023-05-16T23:10:21+00:00

a real sad day when I agree with Josh Hawley on anything.

C0sm1cB3ar · 2023-05-17T05:27:47+00:00

Foxnews? lol

McGauth925 · 2023-05-16T18:43:52+00:00

Fox?

Sorry, I have to draw a line somewhere.

periodicchemistrypun · 2023-05-17T10:12:10+00:00

I don’t know which feminists I like. Most I meet are friendly, considerate and just care about something.

But feminism, this post and fox news are so often tools to keep the meat grinder churning.

The point is this; it’s ALL the same if it’s just lore meat for the meat grinder, looking directly for stronger men is looking for people to skip a step. The one where they look inward and find who they are before looking for strength that’s so generic they but themselves second.

The more worthless you are the more you should prioritise yourself.

So these articles calling for men to be anything need to respect that weak men shouldn’t be the target

tacobellbandit · 2023-05-17T11:27:18+00:00

I like the article touching base on youth violence. There’s a lot of studies that show kids learn compassion and mercy from fathers primarily

hottake_toothache · 2023-05-17T13:15:57+00:00

It is great to see men's issues talked about, albeit that the tradcon take is not what men really need.

Enrique_Shockwave710 · 2023-05-17T22:00:05+00:00

The author blames the "governing class" for manufacturing jobs going overseas, pretending that they would still pay middle class wages were they in America. What a moron.

Title	America's men are in crisis and it's rooted in one big lie
Author	AndrewLevin
Upvotes	240
Comments	54
Date	May 16, 2023 5:15 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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