CMV : women do not prefer bad men. They prefer strong men. I’ll prove it with one example.

SolidusMonkey · 2023-08-26T20:07:09+00:00

Well, the guy who laid half of the women in my mid 20s friend group was a tall jacked literal racist who would drop hard R n-bombs "as a joke", insult and demean people, and slip the condom off during sex.

So the guy who fucked the majority of the young women I've met also happened to be criminally toxic.

ModernMedia · 2023-08-26T20:47:51+00:00

When I read "I'll prove it" I was 100% certain that you would fail to grasp the concept of proof. You didn't disappoint

SilverHawk73 · 2023-08-26T20:53:12+00:00

How did this sub go from ordinary mental gymnastics to fanfiction

NalkaNalka · 2023-08-26T21:19:28+00:00

"prove" ---> proceeds to make up a fantasy about a special forces guy.

DerayRevan · 2023-08-26T19:52:19+00:00

You've such a talent of coming up with this stories

SolidusMonkey · 2023-08-26T20:29:29+00:00

The girl is kinda still laughing but senses her friend is being hurt and gets into a bit of a verbal spar with the guy hitting on her and bullying her friend.

See, this isn't what would happen. In reality, she'd be turned on by the guy and her friend, now throughly dominated right in front of her eyes, would never have a chance with her ever as he is now in permanent "ick" mode in her eyes.

tonyghow · 2023-08-26T20:27:07+00:00

Yes they do.

Women marry and have kids with the tattooed cocky guy, while pining for the special forces guy, and friendzoning the nice guy that fixes stuff around her house hoping for scraps of her attention.

Then she divorces the asshole and complains on social media that all men are trash.

NalkaNalka · 2023-08-26T23:37:21+00:00

Example of how this plays out in real life: https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/15rsgtq/my_29m_wife_29f_admitted_to_fantasising_about_her/

Hint, not how OP thinks

RemainderZero · 2023-08-26T20:19:10+00:00

Yeah, so that the woman was "still kinda laughing" despite recognizing the situation while her male "friend" was being bullied is a huge point and probably the one your question really revolves around.

Women end up with dirt bags because being a dirt bag is the most accessible way to learn how to wrangle women's own dirt baggery which doesn't require the unreciprocated selflessness to be a strong man.

BrummieAMN19 · 2023-08-27T11:43:09+00:00

As a black man this is absolutely laughable as I grew up in an area and had classmates and friends who have been, currently are in and were released from prison. My cousin also is in prison. All these men I’ve known NEVER EVER EVER struggled to get women and the women like the fact that they commit crimes. These men range from slightly above average to gremlins.

These women see criminality as masculine, it’s the act in itself they find attractive. I know one woman who told me that Michael B Jordan is a punk and is the type of guy that would get robbed in my area and he’s unattractive because of that.

abaxeron · 2023-08-27T08:13:12+00:00

Turns out my boy Grocery Garry is ex special forces

Yeah, we all know how loyal military wives are.

Anyway, here we go again:

"We linked data from nationwide total population registers in Sweden to test if criminality is associated with reproductive success. Further, we used several different measures related to monogamy to determine the relation between criminal behavior and alternative mating tactics. Convicted criminal offenders had more children than individuals never convicted of a criminal offense. Criminal offenders also had more reproductive partners, were less often married, more likely to get remarried if ever married, and had more often contracted a sexually transmitted disease than non-offenders. Importantly, the increased reproductive success of criminals was explained by a fertility increase from having children with several different partners."

"...in a review of the literature Ellis and Walsh found that 50 out of 51 studies investigating associations between mating behavior and criminality reported a positive relationship between criminal behavior and number of sex partners (Ellis & Walsh, 1997). Beaver, Wright, and Walsh (2008) used a gene-based approach and showed an association between number of sex partners and violent criminal behavior through a common genetic pathway engaging the dopamine transporter gene (DAT1) (Beaver et al., 2008). Another study, comprising 674 men, found that carriers of two copies of the same DAT1 polymorphism have significantly more sex partners, as well as significantly higher delinquency scores, than men who had one or no copies (Guo, Tong, & Cai, 2008). This particular gene variant is typically found among "people who need high levels of excitement and stimulation to activate their reward system in the same capacity as those with normally functioning reward systems" (DeLisi, 2009). Further, a British cohort study found that the 10% most antisocial men father 27% of the children (Jaffee, Moffitt, Caspi, & Taylor, 2003)."

"Criminal offending as part of an alternative reproductive strategy: investigating evolutionary hypotheses using Swedish total population data", Yao et al., Evolution and Human Behavior Volume 35, Issue 6, November 2014, Pages 481-488.

Additional info on the study:

Sample size - within millions.

The effect lessens but persists when controlled for a bunch of socioeconomic parameters. Offenders still have reproductive advantage over non-offenders; violent offenders - over convicted of theft.

Within men, by absolute numbers, despite offenders constituting a minority, there were almost

4 times more offenders than non-offenders among those who had children with 3 women,

12 times more offenders than non offenders among those who had them with 4;

13 times more offenders than non-offenders among those who had them with 5, and

19 times more offenders than non-offenders among those who had them with 6+ (of which, there was only one non-offender).

Non-offenders (among men) dominate the categories of 1 and 0 reproductive partners. For women, non-offenders dominate up until 4 reproductive partners. Among women, offenders outnumbered non-offenders only among those with 5 or 6+ reproductive partners, but by a small margin.

Offenders among men were 40% more likely to have anti-STI drug prescription, while for women it was 30%, despite women generally being slightly more susceptible to STI infections.

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WilliamWyattD · 2023-08-26T19:57:52+00:00

It is true that overall, it is a kind of male strength and competence women are looking for. And it is often easier to appear to have these qualities by being 'bad' than 'good'. But you can still do it the right way and get results.

That said, if you do a deep dive, you can see that the bad boy or asshole thing is actually complex. There are some asshole or bad boy things that can actually heighten sexual desire, if temporarily and unsustainably. Sex is a primal, animalistic thing. And many factors, not just social, tend to constrain female sexuality. So there is something stimulating to a woman about that bad boy who is wild and free from social constraints. Also, women tend to be more agreeable than men. So the asshole with high disagreeability creates some gender polarity. Finally, the complexity and push-pull dynamic of engaging with a bad boy will heighten female drama and arousal in many cases.

caption291 · 2023-08-26T20:16:39+00:00

Let's say the special forces guy looked at the situation and concluded that potentially escalating that situation into a fight was a bad deal for everyone so instead of trying to intimidate the guy into submission he just tried to calm both the guy and the woman down.

Almost every real life fight is avoidable if you're willing to LOOK like a pussy and almost every real life fight is not worth fighting if you have a brain.

So what ends up happening in practice, is that being strong is a worthless trait unless you're enough of an asshole that you're willing to risk escalating situations to display that strength.

So sure, in theory women don't care at all about morality and are only concerned with strength*, but in practice morality is selected against pretty heavily.

*: To be clear, I don't actually agree but if we strictly focus on this example that would be the conclusion so I'm rolling with it.

Let me tell you who women wanna do more in that scenario

Probably still the more attractive guy.

Safinated · 2023-08-27T00:18:51+00:00

Weird how you can make generalizations about real life populations from a single piece of fiction

MarBitt · 2023-08-27T00:32:31+00:00

The woman will be attracted to both of the strong men, but since this woman is used to being quite passive, and she flirted despite the obvious toxicity of the first one, she will end up having sex with the man who will pursue her more aggressively. Which will be the toxic guy who acts like he wants her faster and harder because he just wants her for sex, flirts with her from the start and spends more time with her.

As soon as she appears a few times next to the toxic guy, who will also belittle her and announce everywhere what he did with her in sex, then the Grocery Garry will no longer be interested in her for a real relationship, even if he liked her before. Because in his eyes, she'll prove that just like her meek friend, she lacks self-respect and is probably just as toxic as the guy she's having sex with, even though he bullied her friend.

If by chance a woman stays with that toxic guy, they will have a miserable relationship full of arguments and his infidelity. That will make a woman bitter, when the woman will be "I wish I had chosen Grocery Garry", but in fact, if she starts relationship with Grocery Garry at some point in the future, she will subconsciously turn against him all the toxicity she has accumulated through sex and relationships with those who treated her and her friends badly in the past. So that woman is simply a no-win for anyone with self-respect after a few relationships with toxic guys.

A toxic guy will have more success with women simply because there are more women without self-respect and women who are also toxic in their own way and without decent character. Especially if we are talking about young people without experience.

blmzd · 2023-08-27T04:50:44+00:00

Man y’all have too much time on your hands. This is quite the scenario.

MattPayneWrestler · 2023-08-30T16:30:38+00:00

Yeah, they’re attracted to strength, not niceness or meanness. You can have a hot girl thats either mean or nice and you still want her cause she hot. You can have a ugly girl who is either mean or nice and who cares, cause she still ugly, lol. Thats what strength in a man is to a woman:hot. We dont choose what were attracted to, its just nature and has nothing to do with meanness or niceness.

czm137 · 2023-09-01T02:07:59+00:00

Is this serious?

Title	CMV : women do not prefer bad men. They prefer strong men. I’ll prove it with one example.
Author	Cjaylyle
Upvotes	0
Comments	38
Date	August 26, 2023 7:29 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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