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[–]SnooPets1514 33 points34 points35 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Cold approach is great. Know why?
Because this is building your character. Big-time.
I've only started to realise it myself.
It's humbling you.
You don't actually matter. But... no one else does either.
What I'm trying to say is that... you're not going to magically sweep someone off of their feet. It's not how life works. Everyone has their own lives they're leading. Baggage. An ex. A current boyfriend. A fuck-buddy. A boyfriend they're not happy with, but not ready to leave. 50 matches on Tinder, a date that night, and a fuck buddy that weekend....
It's a numbers game, man. The sooner you realise that and the less pressure you put on yourself to create this ONE defining moment where a girl magically falls in love with you on the spot and you roger her brains out till kingdom come, the better you'll feel. The more at peace and in the now you'll feel too, because, hey, none of it matters.
Hope that makes sense (makes sense to me) and doesn't come off patronising or some nihilistic bullshit
[–]Merso509 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Even helped me understand how I feel about it. Well done. Also allow to feel emotions, live through each rejection if you must, then you will either get depressed or don't care so be careful. I am new to this so that last part might be a very bad advice
[–]dobbs1997 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You gotta already have a high opinion of yourself, because you don’t it’s messing with your view of yourself when it has nothing to do with you as to why they said no. Just keep going and don’t worry if a chick says yes or no, just have fun with it and focus on developing yourself internally cause that’s what approaching strangers does. Also, celebrate the small wins, so if you get a pleasant reaction from a girl or you make a girl smile or laugh count that as a win.
[–]ozzzy83 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, it gets discouraging. It appears as if only you want something, and they are like, who cares, I'm enough to myself kinda behavior. It's not fun at all and kinda kills your desire to approach. But they would be like - why no guys are approaching, or their mothers would be like - nowadays, guys are pussies, they are not approaching, yet girls are alone by the table. Yes, they are, but they are all doing what you described. Girls' night, this or that.
And it's not about approaching. Even if you do it in a most relaxed and casual way, it doesn't matter. Looks? Nope, I'm 6'3" and they say handsome, yet, still nothing. Most girls are very insecure and shallow. I know how attraction works, read a ton of proven material, body language, sparking attraction, personality traits...the more you know, it seems you get fewer results, lmao.
[–]FranciscotheBull 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It can take a toll and on your self esteem. Honestly, I don't think women fully understand how much rejection hurts and how much a guy has been rejected before and I think if it was reversed, I don't think women can handle the rejecting guys go through on a constant basis.
Don't let it get to you. I know it is hard, but stay strong, be yourself and do not change yourself or change your morals and character. You are way more valuable than people in general realize. Remember, not all women are bad just like not all guys are bad. I think in general, the bad people and/or the people in front of us are in the way of the people who are actually interesting. I do think as well some women have over inflated egos and bite off more than they can choose instead of getting someone that they can actually get, but again, not all, bust most.
Stay strong. Keep asking out.
[–]kettlebell_workout 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
5 girls, are like nothing.
If you are beginner without social skills, then on average you need approach 500 till you get laid.
If you are experienced PUA, then you would average 1 in 10.
[–]sazze34 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
500??
[–]kettlebell_workout 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes. It is a truth which books and PUA's don't tell you.
You fail at approaching her.
You fail at getting her number.
You fail at texting.
You fail at asking on a date.
You fail at date.
You fail at kissing
You fail at asking to come over.
You fail at making a move.
There, are just too many points of failure. Hence is 500.
[–]sazze34 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Damn. How do u get higher numbers faster? And how do you improve to 1:10 ratio
[–]kettlebell_workout 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read technical old school PUA books. Such as "Mystery Method", "Day game mastery" by Nick Krauser etc. Although, I really like inner game books like Models, unfortunately they won't give fast results.
Keep the journal and reflect on your mistakes.
Lastly, be consistent.
[–]sidbunch6 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
PUA coaches success rate varies wildly but it's basically the same as any other guy from the street. No PUA is getting laid 1 in 10 UNLESS he is very good looking. So someone like James Tusk might get that sort of hit rate
[–]kettlebell_workout 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Nah, man. I have seen with my own eyes.
Skill and experience do matter. However, what really striked me is their ability to select a woman to approach.
I remember, was hanging out with PUA who has written lots of books, and has the whole business around this subject.
We went to the pub, and there were literally 10s of hot girls. He just looked around and said. "Let's go somewhere else". I was like "Why, what about those two?" He looked at me, "Nah, they won't sleep with you. Let's go"
The thing is that every time he talked with someone, they always were receptive. It is like he could smell ones which wants sex.
With lots of practice and experience. I started to see them as well. There are so many nuances which tells you that. Like, the length of her skirt, how she looked at me, her race, the way she walks, etc.
The think if you spend doing something for a long time you become really good at that something. No matter what that is.
[–]sidbunch6 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
OK. Well you're talking about something slightly different (the skill of screening, essentially) and yes, I agree with all of what you said here.
[–]SnooPets1514 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is where this shit does genuinely interest me because, without trying to sound offensive, to me all that sounds like is he's gone for some fat, desperado toad because he knows he can fuck her.
That's not game. I can do that. Anyone with a minimal amount of confidence can do that.
If though, you can honestly say he banged a 7 (above average) then... hats off to him.
I don't get impressed when I watch YouTube clips of guys cold approaching av/below-av girls. I feel a brotherly pride that they had the balls to approach anyway but it doesn't astound or amaze me
[–]kettlebell_workout 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately, that's what the game is when it comes to getting laid.
I went to seminar, and PUA showed infield video where he got laid in 4 hours or something. The PUA was quite famous in the London community. However, what was really sad was the woman he approached.
She was around 7. Was siting on her own. She didn't talk much, was more introvert. However, this dude run the game on her like crazy. I didn't even see the need to do so much. Most likely she would just said yes anyways.
And this is what usually happens. And yes, sometimes they seduce 9 or 10 and then put in youtube a video. But even then, those 9-10s has weak personalities, and are very susceptible to be influenced. Those are women were they answered the phone, you say you are from bank, and they give you their card details.
Another example, if there are 10 girls in a group a "true" PUA will never go for queen B, instead he will choose the weakest member, the girl who does not get the most attention and will game her, while his wingman talks with queen B.
[–]sidbunch6 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hear you.
She doesn't have to be a fat toad though! :) She could well be a hot girl who is subtly giving him IOI's that people without experience wouldn't pick up on (I think that's what he's saying)
But the thing is, I feel what you feel when I watch any infield. 'I can do that'. And I can. Put me in the same body as any coach/PUA you can think of, and we'll get extremely similar results. Put them in my body and their results will be almost identical to mine. The bar in terms of game is low enough that you, me and practically any other guy can close a girl who thinks we are hot or whatever. These 'coaches' are selling fresh air and can't do anything we can't do!
There is no 'level' whereby one can 'seduce' a girl. There is no PUA who is short, fat old and ugly who can bang a high percentage of hot 18 year olds from cold approach using his secret 'game' to turn her from a no too a yes. It's all fantasy, i'm afraid. Game is easy. You kind of said it yourself ('anyone with a minimal amount of confidence'). There is no 'next level'. Attraction is a pre-requisite. And it's not in your control
[–]inline6throwaway 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You say very good looking guys get 1 out of 10 closure rate?
[–]ZachMoore88 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Right? I'm up to 50! lol
[–]peduxe 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
500 might be way too high. If you’re investing time into those that you truly know are very interested in you it should happen sooner.
[–]burncushlikewood 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I had a cold approach a few weeks ago where a woman just left after a 10 second convo. I have no idea what I did wrong, but women can be tough to approach, keep at it bro it's better to approach and get rejected than not approaching at all. Read this book and keep a log. https://www.academia.edu/26492146/Vin_DiCarlo_The_Attraction_Code_id610645886_size
[–]CocoBabeNYC -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It just means you are doing something wrong and/or you are picking the wrong women to approach. If you are a newbie, I would highly suggest you start with a socially approved place to meet women such as a bar or a club instead of normal everyday situations. While I admire your courage if you approached during the day, it is like playing the game on God mode.
probably didnt do anything 'wrong'. He just wasn't their type or/and they had boyfriends etc.
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[–]CocoBabeNYC 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why isn't Tinder working for you? Do you look and dress like shit? Post your profile so we can give you tips or dm me
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[–]CocoBabeNYC 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okie dokie then
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s not a rejection if you aren’t even an option for them due to being attached to someone else…and vice versa.
[–]MywarUK 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t take it personal is best answer you will find, it’s never you, even if you approach wrong.. everyday is a learning day 👌
[–]throwaway_6196190012 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're getting rejected cause you're insecure about something and they sense it. Deep down you think you don't deserve them. You need to work to become a man value, that way you don't have to fake confidence, you'll have confidence. Work on your money, muscles, and most importantly game.
[–]EARLY20RAG3R 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its a numbers game my guy: cold approach isnt good at getting you a lot of chicks, its good at building character. You’ll be rejected close to 90% of the time but it is imperative to achieve failure in order to get good at the game.
Like the great Tom Platz one said “The only place to go from failure is to win.” Cold approach will do wonders for you when it comes to desensitizing yourself to rejection, once you get there you’ll be approaching chicks like its nothing and while it might not bump up your numbers, you’ll be more confident in yourself, more driven and women like that.
Women like a man that’s bold, shameless and confident, thats what cold approach will do for you.
Keep at it and dont get discouraged
In my case, I struck gold on the 7th. Never give up!
[–]Impossible_Yellow751 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn’t Let it get you down before my Boyfriend I was humiliated every day I had men tell me To my face I’m fat and gross I’m not worthy of life I should kill my self I’m A waste of space and I’ve had men say before I’m not going yo be nice to you because I’m not attracted to You and I been humiliated so many times the amount of stories I Could tell but the thing is I Kept focusing on my hobbies and my passion I was never asked out I’ve never had a date with anyone ever I never got valentines cards from class mates who had crush’s on me I never had flowers I’ve never had anyone open the door for me other than my family and friends. I never got asked out I only kissed a few times in the last 15 years I never got asked to prom Or any event i never got hit on at bar or talked to or spoken to I only ever. Was friendzone by every man I’ve ever liked me strung me along and used me for there self esteem boost just to Throw me away for a hotter girl and I want to say despite those many people who hurt me.And broke my self esteem and worth I found my self a great partner who loves me and choose me and I thought something like that would never happen to me because of my failure in dating but I kept doing my own business and hobbies and skills that helped me to find someone who has the same exact gifts and talent as me I’m into supernatural weird stuff and science and geeky things and I found someone who likes science like me so I know now it seems like a big fail but I think that when we keep trying we will eventually find the right person who understand us got to find someone who cares about you Keep the faith alive
[–]fookmi123 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey bro sorry to hear that but you know what keep on going yes it sucks but don't let that shit get you down women get hit on every fucking day.. Not just By you but all kinds of guys bro so it's OK bro.. Keep your head up and keep trying
[–]Daygamesimplified 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Learn to approach if your getting this consistently you’re approaching her in a way that is un-confident and needy. She is lying by saying that you need to learn how to handle that objection unphased and keep moving the interaction forward.
Seduction is a process you have to attract her with your verbal skills.
I can often increase attraction a girl already has by knowing what to say and when.
Study pimps they use verbal game on the highest level.
[–]StayFrostyMyFriends7 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a guy who used to fear rejection, I now embrace it, it’s all in your mindset, if you don’t ask a girl out, you will never how it goes, even the most good looking guy gets rejected, but we all move on cuz there’s always a hottie that will end up wanting to get to know you
[–]jjboy91 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Make it playful for you and use it as a game without any expectations/ goal
Rejection is also great because it will help you grow
[–]Magneto_1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just keep on trying but see what works, you ever see Ground Hog Day!
[–]whitepillman 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
1 - treat it like a video game. You don't lose self-esteem losing at a new video gameZ 2 - understand that much like a video game she is rejecting HOW you are approaching her not you as a person (ie. your skill level like a video game) 3 - keep practicing. You wouldn't expect to beat a video game after only 5 reps. 4 - learn from someone who knows how to play the game. like a video game you would play with people better than you to learn how they do it.
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