Is a PUA bootcamp worth it?

ChadPUA · 2015-06-02T15:47:33+00:00

If you want to pay someone to read to you the basics of self improvement, with some gimmicky pua stuff thrown in, and then push you to talk to women, them sure.

If you can do that on your own, then no

Pencil_ · 2015-06-02T16:11:11+00:00

Save your money, get a wingman. Try inner circle

hissingelephant · 2015-06-02T18:56:29+00:00

Not worth it. Read Models by Mark Manson and start committing to the lifestyle changes Manson suggests in his book.

TheSicilianDude · 2015-06-02T22:12:01+00:00

No. You don't need to spend thousands of dollars to get good with girls. All this takes is desire to get better and dedication. Bootcamps are pretty much "rent a cool friend" services. You're paying for their time. Sure it will help, but it's only for a few days and really isn't worth the tradeoff.

that-freakin-guy · 2015-06-02T21:16:43+00:00

Are you fat? Go to the gym.
Are you dressing bad? Go to /r/malefashionadvice and learn to dress better.

Then read Models by Mark Manson and learn to improve yourself. Find someone confident that is good with women and let them wing for you. Then you're good from there on in.

captainjackpua · 2015-06-02T20:21:27+00:00

I used to instruct for Love Systems/Mystery Method... if you get a really good instructor the changes you can make in a few days is mind boggling. I wouldn't go to RSD though.

Venusian Arts, Love Systems or BradP (I don't do bootcamps right now)

Wingmen in your local area usually just end up trading each others bad habits and other than moral support and fun shouldn't be looked up to for much instruction until he is getting laid 2-3 times per month using cold approach.

A good instructor can iron out bad body language and other subcommunications that are subtly keying women that you don't get laid.

They can help you overcome intense fear and do stuff you wouldn't otherwise do which will help you see things you never noticed before.

Bl4ckR4v6n · 2015-06-02T20:20:58+00:00

I figure it's best to stay away from that and rather save your money

kingvalant · 2015-06-02T19:14:02+00:00

Yeah they do boot camps as well

magokaiser · 2015-06-03T13:27:56+00:00

Get a wingman, tell him to look for your mistakes. Even if he is not very experienced, if he read some pua stuff he will Spotlight some mistakes

magokaiser · 2015-06-03T13:33:17+00:00

I think it would be a wiser idea to pay for clases that will expose to the oposite sex, like dancing, improvisation clases, yoga, pole dancing or any class taken in a gym.

I personally took salsa and tango, and improvisation

tamilgangster · 2015-06-04T13:16:58+00:00

There are seddit meetups and groupme, where you can meet other wingmen, for free, its like bros helping bros

PowerSeductionWar · 2015-06-02T19:52:41+00:00

I think it would only be worth it if you have specific issues you couldn't find the answer to on your own.

If you just show up and tell them to fix you, they won't know what to fix and give you basic generic bs that you probably already know

rightsidedown · 2015-06-02T20:19:25+00:00

It depends. The usefulness of a class, or any form of training, depends a lot on the instructor and you. I've gone through a lot of training for technical skills and management skills through work, often costing several thousand dollars for these sessions, and have done dance classes on my own.

Somethings I've learned: 1) If you are a beginner, then you need a course specifically designed for beginners. 2) You get more out of training, the more you knowledge and experience you have going in 3) Bad training is a waste of time and money, good training saves both (even if the training is expensive).

My opinion is that bootcamps are better for intermediate people, due to how they are designed. If you can't approach on your own, you're not going to stick with it after a bootcamp. If people in general don't connect with you, a bootcamp is too advanced for you. If you have a social circle that does include women, and you have no success meeting them that way, then a bootcamp is not going to help you.

ThrowingMyslfOutther · 2015-06-03T00:02:05+00:00

Never pay for what you can get for free.

Sure some may conflate you get what you pay for... but that's not true, it just means you have to be more discriminating in the choosing process.

ie, look for a mentor or life coach.

ryguy2281 · 2015-06-02T17:55:17+00:00

After the whole Julian debacle I'd avoid RSD personally, SOME of their material does have merit yes but that guy just took it way too far.

DaygameCoach · 2015-06-02T21:13:34+00:00

A good company or coach can help you. I wouldn't recommend RSD. Where are you located? A wingman isn't good enough.

Cuisine, Daygamer.net (Washington, DC)

kingvalant · 2015-06-02T18:41:19+00:00

simple pickup.

TonyDAbsolute · 2015-06-02T20:37:51+00:00

I've been teaching pickup bootcamps full time for six years, and I've helped hundreds of men learn how to do day and nightgame to great success. It shaves a lot of time off their learning curve. I'd say about a year. Most problems are usually body language, like leaning, lack of eye contact, too much distance and not enough physicality, vocal tonality (upward inflection) and more. Then there's the fact that they usually eject too soon, so I make them stay in set. I get them to escalate when there are windows they don't see, like going a for a makeout.

The inner stuff is taught too. Lots of guys blab about limiting beliefs, fears, which I have to point out and help them reframe. I use hypnosis and self meditation techniques.

We lead by example, doing demos that the student learns from.

Yes, if you have a great teacher, like in any martial art, bootcamps can help immensely. Otherwise I wouldn't be in business.

It's not a bad idea to hire a less mainstream coach. Less money, more attention.

My bootcamp in Vancouver is $1200 for three days. $4k to hire me for a month. And I will travel to any major city for private coaching for $2k. My best students came out of mentorships obviously.

I've had men meet their wives on bootcamp. I've had virgins lose their v cards. Bootcamps totally help, but only if you keep practicing on your own after the program.

My website is absoluteability.com and check my testimonials.

Title	Is a PUA bootcamp worth it?
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Date	June 2, 2015 3:23 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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