The problem with this sub: Age is rarely taken into consideration.

ThrowawayPUA · 2017-09-03T11:42:32+00:00

Age is often a topic here, but more often from younger guys. I suspect this is because most older guys have enough experience to deal with women skillfully, while most younger guys are still trying to acquire those skills.

Speaking as an older guy myself, I was a natural when I was young. I was a bad boy punk rocker, women threw themselves at me and I was mostly oblivious to this. My first LTR was with a woman almost 20 years older than me. But as I got older, I lost my mojo. So I found the PUA community was valuable at helping me realize what skills I had, and what had been useful before. I learned to do consciously, what I had been doing unconsciously (and with mixed results).

My usual advice for older guys is that you can get much younger women, for example a couple of women I dated recently were 15+ years younger and extremely hot. But young women can often be intimidated by older guys. They feel you are out of their league. You have vastly greater life experience, and have many interesting things to talk about. They may feel inexperienced and that they have nothing to offer you except their young, beautiful bodies, and they can feel like a piece of meat. So you have to go out of your way to make them feel like they have a place in your life. They may lack experience, but they have an attitude that meshes well with you. You have an awesome life filled with adventures, and they are welcome to come along, if they are adventurous enough. Make them know you appreciate them for who they are.

IlikeJG · 2017-09-03T17:25:00+00:00

I know this post will anger the politically correct crowd, but biology isn't PC. I don't think anyone can sit there with a straight face and say age really is just a number, because it's not.

What the fuck? You were making decent points (making a lot of assumptions and generalizations, but it's understood you were just explaining your point of view) and you throw this out at the end? Why are you and people like you so fucking obsessed with "PC"? What does this even have to do with being "PC"? Do you just call everyone who doesn't agree with your or tries to be respectful of others "PC" and then dismiss their opinions?

Do you just live your life and every time you say something mildly controversial to you add in the "I know the PC crowd will get triggered lol, but..."?

Edit: I mean, I guess that's a convenient tool. Now if anyone tries to call you out on any bullshit, you can just say "See? This SJW is just being PC and doesn't care about true science lol!"

Notarandomencounter · 2017-09-03T09:30:18+00:00

I agree partway in terms of age-guidelines, but i think you lack the knowledge of the different cultural backgrounds people come from. You speak of very materialistic women. The same age-group of women in my country describes that kind of supplicating-behaviour as un-cool and out-dated.

OP, you might be ranting from a frustrated place and you have my sympathy, it seems to come from a personal place of bitterness. Your age-grouping offers interesting guidelines to experiment with though, and some good food for thought.

DavidGolani11 · 2017-09-03T16:41:30+00:00

I'd say about 95% of all questions here are basic dating advice asked by noobs who have hardly talked to a girl much less dated one.

I'm old, and can tell you dating is more or less universal regardless of age. If you could pick up chicks at 14 you can pick up chicks at 54. The opposite is also true, so you better learn some skills ASAP.

biggerbetterjobs · 2017-09-03T14:15:47+00:00

I think that's a huge generalization regarding girls in the high school, then college demographic. Could also be a regional/socio economic thing too (i.e.: girls of the high school age and young adult age tend to follow those superficial traits in middle/upper middle class areas or something).

When I was in high school, I had a few girlfriends.. I had a lot of girls show interest but was too awkward and insecure to make a move. I was not by any means the most popular or best looking guy in the school. The girls I dated/showed interest weren't either but I still gauged them as cute enough to crush on.

I think college age is probably the toughest because the girls have more freedom to explore their options in a less judgmental "let it all hang out" type of environment where people are getting drunk and partying every weekend and having all sorts of fun. I've banged a few girls from my college, but in order to keep a girl steady it seems like you need something to offer whether it's a cool place you live at that throws parties all the time, a car, money to go out to eat etc.. But then again, there's always those girls who like to "take care" of that dude who's kind of a fuck up and broke anyway as long as he's cool enough.. Then there's also geek/nerd cliques and other groups who don't integrate much with mainstream college life and keep to themselves.

Everything is really relative when it comes to attraction. Sorority chicks are gonna date athletes or frat bros, anime/gamer geeks date each other, artsy hipsters date each other, anyone generally in the same social circle with somewhat similar interests usually date each other.

If you're some dude with nice facial aesthetics in skinny jeans and a "Beach House" tee shirt who smokes weed and likes hallucinogenic drugs and astrology, you'd probably get laid all the time at an art school.. Probably not so much at a business school though.

I think it is true that people lighten up about sex and dating later in life but it's also somewhat relative to location. I've live in NYC and Boston, in both places women seemed pretty lax about casual sex. However, in my hometown suburb, lots of women still see it as this "big deal" even in their late 20's.

SpinPlates · 2017-09-03T20:26:55+00:00

I completely agree. It's annoying to have 15 year olds ask questions about their crush.

Shut up and go hit the gym and learn a skill. You can chase pussy when you're 21.

Kenic_In_MD · 2017-09-03T06:21:28+00:00

Age, wealth, looks, charisma all help in seduction but aren't neccessary. If that makes sense? It's a big world out there and there is someone for everyone you just need to get out and look.

Is there a 65 year old man banging out a 20 year old girl with a phat ass as we speak? Of course!

Is there a homeless dude getting his salad tossed by a wealthy undersexed female ceo? You betcha! Stop limiting what you're capable of.

Lord_Augastus · 2017-09-03T16:20:39+00:00

For the general part, older more experienced advice helps younger guys. I hope most of the time the point of seeing the age in title means that the response/advice given represents that age group.

i agree there is an age difference, like a 38yo and 17yo and 25 yos have different age groups, although for pure sexual encounter age is but a number(legality pending), for a relationship purposes age should be considered.

sehns · 2017-09-03T16:32:22+00:00

You could say the same about reddit as whole.

Jarn_Tybalt · 2017-09-03T16:43:42+00:00

Right on. I wish it was part of the rules that ya have to have your age in flair or something.

I'm late 40's (late bloomer!). I have successfully used much info here to finally have an awesome dating/sex life.

But after 30, the "Always wear lots of necklaces and your hat backwards when you go to the club" shit is silly. And most women after 30 stop going to clubs to meet guys.

Some things ARE universal though: Gym. Confidence. Abundance mentality. Zero fucks given about rejection. That shit works even at my age.

Also we should add, "Don't be a pussy." for older guys. Almost every single chick I go out with says that they are so sick of guys being pussies and wimpy these days. It's a very very common conversation.

Chicks hate wishy/washy, indecisive guys. And there are more guys like that than ever before, across all age groups.

Back to your point tho, maybe we need a seduction offshoot for 30+ game? I'm definitely getting tired of reading posts about people trying to pick up the hot girl they see in class.

LimitedContributor · 2017-09-03T16:58:23+00:00

Its because its already known. It doesn't need to be constantly mentioned because, once your in this part of the sub, it should be instantly programmed into your head.

Whatever you decide to do what the knowledge is up to you.

ScottDurden · 2017-09-03T20:05:20+00:00

The age in men doesn't matter it's the targeted age of women that matters.

Different age groups of women will value different things. (Ex/ Ages 22-24 looks are everything. Ages 25-30 looks are important but so is affluence & status.)

VDKay · 2017-09-03T20:28:04+00:00

It depends on what your aims are.

If you aim to sleep with as many girls as possible, you would need to employ the most efficient procedures. And the most efficient thing to do is to try to appeal to the general population of that age group. I agree with the grouping you propose as the things most girls at that ages respond to. On the other hand, not all girls are the same. biology isn't an algorithm. Each person is different. Not ALL high-school girls go after hot/popular guys. Not ALL college girls get far pickier, not ALL young adults want to settle down.

There are 2 reasons people say that age is not a number (or do not mention it altogether): 1) women, no matter their age tend to have some general common things/patterns that they respond to (e.g. how a boy makes them feel) and 2) counter-examples of age groupings are far too common.

So I feel you are missing the point here. Age does say several things about a person, but it is still just a number if you consider each case individually.

TheLimitlessMale · 2017-09-03T21:16:08+00:00

Of course people change as they age. But it's important to point that out. Looks are more important for younger girls (under 18) because it's an honest signal you can't fake. But....rant time....

Looks are always important. That will never change. If anyone tells you looks aren't important they are lying to you.

Looks will always be number 1 for a man. We are attracted to youth and beauty. Yes, personality and everything else does matter but not as much as looks. You could have the best personality in the world, but if you are ugly a high value man is not going to date you.

Looks may not be number one for women (overall success generally is), but they are top 3 at least. People generally date/marry people that are as attractive as they are. 8's will marry 8's, 6's will marry 6's. If you are extremely successful or amazing at game you could maybe be a 6 who gets an 8, but this is a rare occurrence.

Looks matter. If you are a guy and are not maximizing your looks you're leaving a lot on the table.

recyclablebanthas · 2017-09-04T04:50:09+00:00

As a straight 28 year old male, I have no experience with people 40 and over, or homosexual relationships. However, I wouldn't doubt if we all change against throughout cycles.

The psychological field has tried to define different cycles like what you've tried to propose here, and even professionals haven't come up with a good way of describing the different cycles people go through.

So while it's interesting to talk about all this, take it with a grain of salt and consider that it's possibly not worth your time to get too caught up in it.

I know this post will anger the politically correct crowd, but biology isn't PC. I don't think anyone can sit there with a straight face and say age really is just a number, because it's not.

I'm not sure why you think this is a topic that's un-PC.

At the same time, while we can say that there are differences between people who are at different stages of life, those differences do not really change a whole lot in the end. At the end of the day, a guy who goes out into the world looking for a girl to hook up with, is going to face some girls who aren't up for it, and some who are.

And there's really no way to tell for sure who's up for it, until you get in there and find out.

If this post means to say that age is a limitation, that is false. There really is no accounting for taste and it's not on us to judge who may like who. The point is that we're all here to figure out how to be better at finding out who's up for it.

rmbarnes · 2017-09-04T12:25:22+00:00

Rationale make wrote a book about how game differs by age group.

Redsfan192 · 2017-09-03T06:09:58+00:00

You made some great points here, but this entire sub is naive to me.

Pretty much everyone on here pretends like money, looks, popularity, etc(for any age) doesn't matter, and that's not true-For any age.

I definitely think Millennial women are the opposite of every other living generation of women. Millennial women seemed to be turned off from funny, confident, nice, and assertive men. They mainly go for guys who will shower them with gifts, and are very superficial. I'll be 27 years old next Thursday, and I can't agree with "25-29" being lumped into the "25-39" age range, because older women are better, and more open minded. However, this may be generational, which means by the time Millennials hit their 40's, the women in this generation may be just a superficial.

ThePUA_Baddie · 2017-09-03T14:33:09+00:00

age matters yes, 2 years ago girls that were in their late 20s, early 30s wouldn't consider fucking me because i was too young. now when i approach girls in their 30s they hook and we vibe. i tell them my age (22) and they get self-concious and say they're way too old. in which i reply that it's okay i like older women. after that they become comfortable because they know that i'm aware of their age and would still fuck. from their pov they would fuck me but they're unsure if i would fuck them based on age so once they know that i would they don't care anymore that i'm "young"

Title	The problem with this sub: Age is rarely taken into consideration.
Author	KyleBoomershine
Upvotes	165
Comments	53
Date	September 3, 2017 5:59 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/6xrldc/the_problem_with_this_sub_age_is_rarely_taken/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/seduction/the-problem-with-this-sub-age-is-rarely-taken-into.1433071 https://theredarchive.com/post/1433071

Comments