30 feminist organizations protested the creation of a foundation to help male victims of domestic violence in Valencia, Spain

testamentfan67 · 2024-05-30T04:10:51+00:00

Seriously what goes through these idiots heads? “I hate helping people less fortunate than me and if ANYONE else does, I’m going to stop them!” Where else have we seen this before??

Professional-You2968 · 2024-05-30T05:56:49+00:00

The same thing happened in Italy a couple of weeks ago, effectively highlighting the hypocrisy of feminists.

CR9_Kraken_Fledgling · 2024-05-30T08:32:42+00:00

They warn that the registration of this foundation in the terms in which it has been registered “can generate confusion in society since it appropriates concepts that are inherent to the gendered violence suffered by women and that, how should the Vice President know Second, it has a structural and cultural basis and is in no way comparable to the concept of domestic violence.”

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Da_reason_Macron_won · 2024-05-30T12:35:30+00:00

They are protesting against "a message of equating some victims with others".

All genders are equal, but some are more equal than others.🙃

crabbieinreddit · 2024-05-30T13:13:42+00:00

they say it is a far right thing. And, you know, everything is a far right thing if it doesnt come from the people in power (the most progressive and feminist party coalition spain has ever got). So sick of it, and so sick of them acting like moral gods while disregarding any chance of a debate

AirlineUnited · 2024-05-30T13:05:34+00:00

Same thing happened in Italy some days ago!

They created a "male victims emergency number" and there are almost 30 feminist organisations (ironic) who are trying to boycott this idea.

Check out the Instagram page "@progettoparita", they are a pro feminist/men's liberation brilliant page on instagram and they called out the feminist associations who are tried to boycott the initiative.

Eaglingonthemoor · 2024-05-30T04:18:43+00:00

I am a bit hesitant to engage with this because in order to find out more, I ended up clicking through to a twitter thread with no source I could see, had to seek out the story myself, had to google translate it from Spanish, and it seems like the feminists in question are worried about some kind of government corruption to do with the legal rights granted to foundations. Some claims about domestic violence being a gendered issue, which I technically agree with in that gender is a factor, though I feel does read as dismissive - implying that men don't face physical violence and if they did it wouldn't matter because it's not "as bad" and I aggressively disagree with that framing. I can't find the apparently open letter the feminist organisations signed and if I could it would presumably be in Spanish.

It's just impossible to tell from here whether this is a cabal of evil feminists out to deny male abuse victims, or if there's context we don't know about.

My viewpoint is that abuse perpetrated against men is minimised and dismissed and is a gaping blind spot for feminism, to be clear, but I worry that stories like this reinforce the idea that there are monthly feminist meetings where feminists get together to deny men's rights. It's not like that. They're just often extremely annoyingly centrist liberals and believe what is most convenient and requires the least thought for them to believe. It makes me think of this one tweet:

"A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now."

@ eyeballslicer, person who made a tweet that I like

SomeSugondeseGuy · 2024-05-30T15:09:28+00:00

...why? What's the gain?

ManofIllRepute · 2024-05-31T00:23:36+00:00

Ain't no they're this unaware. This has to be a clickbait title...

Edit: Apparently , it's not ragebait!?

They warn that the registration of this foundation in the terms in which it has been registered “can generate confusion in society since it appropriates concepts that are inherent to the gender violence suffered by women and that, how should the Vice President know Second, it has a structural and cultural basis and is in no way comparable to the concept of domestic violence.”

had to use GTranslate

Akhenath · 2024-05-31T07:24:22+00:00

That's the "equality" they are truly fighting for.

Global-Bluejay-3577 · 2024-05-30T08:53:18+00:00

Some claims about domestic violence being a gendered issue, which I technically agree with in that gender is a factor

This isn't me trying to single you out or attack you by any means, but is instead a great opportunity to remind people DV and SA do not appear to be gendered

though I feel does read as dismissive - implying that men don't face physical violence and if they did it wouldn't matter because it's not "as bad" and I aggressively disagree with that framing

I tend to think of the idea of men facing these issues as a pound of feathers vs a pound of steel. Not a perfect analogy but I hope it makes sense

It's just impossible to tell from here whether this is a cabal of evil feminists out to deny male abuse victims, or if there's context we don't know about

I think it's shortsighted to attribute pure evil to any cause, because that's never how it works. Via anecdotal evidence, I believe we put out vote in what we often perceive to be the most moral choice, and humans have the amazing ability to convince and validate their own views

Why do we campaign for equality between sexes? Between races? Wouldn't it be most favorable for us to vote for our specific demographic only and put everyone else down? I think it's because we find it as the more moral options

But where this troubles me is why feminism seems to grapple so much with the victimization of men. I have not read greatly into feminist academia (beyond gender studies and criminal records), but it does seem like a trend here. The first men's shelters were greatly opposed. Erin Pizzey started the first women's shelter, and tried to start the first men's shelter. She received death threats for the men's shelter. Earl Silverman made one of the first men's shelters, it had no government funding either. He killed himself, from the backlash. This is all to my knowledge, however. I encourage reading up on it and correcting me if you found any mistakes

My viewpoint is that abuse perpetrated against men is minimised and dismissed and is a gaping blind spot for feminism, to be clear, but I worry that stories like this reinforce the idea that there are monthly feminist meetings where feminists get together to deny men's rights. It's not like that. They're just often extremely annoyingly centrist liberals and believe what is most convenient and requires the least thought for them to believe. It makes me think of this one tweet:

While I highly doubt there's some cabal out there rubbing their hands together, I think it's necessary to point out there are, in my opinion, definite bad actors, for one reason or another. Mary P. Koss changing the definition of rape to forced penetration and not believing men can be raped(time stamps 6:17-7:40, 8:15-9:00), Germaine Greer's advocation for quite possibly literal pedophilia, and the actual genocide of males. That's not to say MRA groups are squeaky clean, either. I think there are plenty of bigots in each group

I think your conclusion of liberals just not realizing the situation is probably the most likely, but I would like to add on that I think once someone's views are formed, I think after adolescence it can be difficult to change them- humans hate change, after all. I don't think my friends will ever take kindly to the idea of men's rights, for example

"A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now."

As much as I would love to bash liberalism and use it as a scapegoat, despite me being one of the most progressive people I know, I think that modern day life is too busy after some point for most people to care as much as young person like myself can. I think alone is what may cause a significant portion of society's issues

I apologize if I came on too strongly. It's not my intention to debate you or be aggressive. I'm simply not good with words

Appropriate_Cash_890 · 2024-05-30T14:15:44+00:00

Confirm the sources or if this is a rage bait. I tried looking for an article or news outlet covering this but couldn't find any

30 feminist organizations protested the creation of a foundation to help male victims of domestic violence in Valencia, Spain

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Title	30 feminist organizations protested the creation of a foundation to help male victims of domestic violence in Valencia, Spain
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Date	May 30, 2024 3:12 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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