Do you think completely outlawing abortion would help the men's rights cause? Why or why not?

Ziogatto · 2024-07-30T13:59:55+00:00

On the contrary, men should get the option to abort as well. Financial abortion, you're strong and independent, no? Time to prove it honey.

Admirable-Falcon9995 · 2024-07-30T20:48:52+00:00

I am pro life, but no, outlawing abortion would only be detrimental to men's rights.

Abortion rights provide a major argument against unfair child support laws.

Darkwing-Official · 2024-07-30T21:56:11+00:00

Denying women their hard-earned rights won't help men's cause. Exerting political and social pressure to inform about men's issues helps men's cause. The principle is always that you don't need to take rights away from someone in order to protect someone else.

volleyballbeach · 2024-07-31T02:43:24+00:00

No. I do not think denying bodily autonomy to any gender will help any gender’s rights

Lopsided_DoubleStand · 2024-07-30T14:27:31+00:00

It wouldn't help the men's rights cause. Men's rights would be taken even less seriously, especially by women. Many people, regardless of gender, would think, "why should we care about men's rights if women's basic rights are being stripped away? Why would we care about men's rights if women's bodies are being controlled?"

Of course the people saying it would be bad for men and women are getting downvoted.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-07-30T13:50:19+00:00

No. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Also, abortion benefits men too. While it gives women the upper hand under current laws, it also helps many men avoid unwanted fatherhood.

KelVarnsenIII · 2024-07-30T16:10:26+00:00

Your question lacks one crucial point. That any abortion should not be allowed without Dads consent, and if Dad does not consent, Mom should have to give the Baby to Dad and she pays 18 years of child support, 18 years of Medical, Dental, Vision appointments, and she pays for all Sports, Clubs, Camps, Lesson, Activities, etc.

Abortion is very much a Mens Rights issue because there is no discussion about Men's Reproductive Rights. You know why? Because the moment they mention it, it legitimizes our rights as a parent to our children and a Right to our children.

What you're doing is denying a Father HIS right to HIS child. One things women hate to hear or even contemplate. They hate the idea of forced birth, but engage in sex that creates a child. If they don't want forced birth, then maybe they should not have sex, get their tubes tied, or have their uterus removed.

jessi387 · 2024-07-30T16:37:42+00:00

Well not necessarily. What mens rights want, is to have consideration in the process. Either through financial abortions or better rights as fathers to be involved in the child’s life if they are born.

The most vehement opposition to abortion comes mostly from women believe it or not. They believe it’s a life at every stage. I’m not going to unpack this one. But that’s the basis for their opinion.

There are also women who regret having an abortion and wish to see it stopped. Also there is some evidence ( although I haven’t seen a lot, and don’t have it on hand. Don’t kill me) that there is a correlation between how many abortions a woman has and how likely she is to commit suicide. Some women describe it as one of the most traumatic experiences they have ever had and they had no idea it would be like that.

I don’t say any of this to support either side only to explain that it is not our position as mens rights people to support/oppose abortion per say. But to demand a seat at the table for men and their place in this discussion.

CulturedSwyne · 2024-07-30T16:53:21+00:00

The problem with an outright ban is it won’t work. Just like it didn’t work for drugs or alcohol. In theory it would be great if all the babies lived but humans are humans.

We need sensible federal laws that restrict abortions. I believe a mother should be rewarded for taking a baby to term especially for adoption. There should be childcare in every company with over 100 employees. Subsidized childcare if not. And huge tax breaks for children. Anyone deciding to get an abortion because they can’t afford it is embarrassing as a society.

Women should be allowed 1 abortion and on the second given a hysterectomy. Exceptions for medical, incest, etc.

I guarantee that there would be more births if households no longer required two incomes to survive. Someone needs to spend the majority of their time with the children.

As for men I don’t really see how it will help us to outlaw it. What we need is a society that supports and incentivizes motherhood. We need to take back hold of our incomes and provide a safe comfortable environment for women to be women. And if they decide they want to be a scientist and not be a stay at home mom that is great too. I feel like the feminist movement opened a lot of doors for women to have careers etc, but it closed a lot of doors for women who wanted to raise children. Having and raising children should be the pinnacle of human efforts.

Igualdad23M · 2024-07-30T15:11:33+00:00

I do. It's called bargaining power regarding to the paper abortion issue.

If they are granted to get abortion no matter how many men support it, they have no reason to give any concession to men. Why would they? Why would women give concessions which disserve them if they can not-give them?

Why would they support paper abortion if they will get abortion right no matter if we get paper abortion too or not?

However if abortion was in a scenario where it is barely accepted by the people, they would need as much support as they can get, in that scenario our support would be much more necessary and thereforeour bargaining power much bigger to make us heard.

"Do you want me to support abortion? Fine ! But surely you won't mind supporting paper abortion too right?"

stillhotterthanyou · 2024-07-31T08:25:08+00:00

Completely outlawing abortion wouldn’t help anyone, in fact it would probably increase hate for men.

Even as someone who is pro life, I support exceptions for rape, incest, when the baby is likely to be born dead, and when there is a threat to the life of the mother.

It was around the time roe v wade was in talks of being overturned that my left leaning friends were saying that we wouldn’t need abortion if men kept their pee pees in their pants or if men got a vasectomy.

I don’t think it would help men’s rights at all.

Zestyclose_Wait8697 · 2024-07-30T13:51:16+00:00

I don't see how denying one fundamental right can reinforce another one

VacationNegative4988 · 2024-07-30T16:18:18+00:00

Abortion shouldn't be a conversation about men or women's rights. A foetus is a living human life. This is an undeniable scientific fact. An abortion is the deliberate ending of that human life by choice of the mother. It should be a conversation about human rights a dn the right to life.

To suggest that a foetus does not have a right to life suggests that there are classes of (innocent) humans that don't get to enjoy the same rights as everyone else. Why is one group of people more deserving of rights than others?

Alex_Mercer_23 · 2024-07-30T14:31:21+00:00

Useless, it would be damaging to both men's and women's rights.

Men should be allowed to abort while men should be allowed to withdraw child support.

Sea_Treat7982 · 2024-07-30T14:24:44+00:00

Abortion saved my life.

tilldeathdoiparty · 2024-07-30T15:38:33+00:00

No, I’m not of the opinion that we should outlaw abortion under any circumstances.

There should some sort of protection for men, I haven’t formulated exactly what that would be, but there needs to be something, equal is equal

mrkpxx · 2024-07-31T08:40:17+00:00

Banning abortion would mean that relationships would be taken seriously again, sexually transmitted diseases would be reduced, marriages would not be a freak of nature, children would increasingly have two parents, the indigenous population would not die out, loneliness would be reduced and many people would be able to live with a clear conscience.

ApprehensiveMail8 · 2024-07-31T12:52:15+00:00

Just raise taxes on cats.

Street_Conflict_9008 · 2024-07-30T13:53:04+00:00

It would harm men's rights if abortion was made illegal.

It is a female health issue, and backyard abortions with a coat hanger can be very damaging to a woman's internal organs.

There are to many other issues, forced to keep a baby as a by-product of rape? Forced to keep a baby as a by-product of incest?

the_woolfie · 2024-07-30T16:45:30+00:00

Abortion kills boys half the time, so yes

quantumMechanicForev · 2024-07-30T14:33:08+00:00

FREEZE YOUR SPERM AND GET A VASECTOMY.

Take complete control of if, when, and how a baby happens.

Do not trust women to get this right or do the thing that’s in your best interest. Be responsible. Freeze your sperm and get a vasectomy.

Common-Ferret-1435 · 2024-07-30T14:03:32+00:00

[Unpopular opinion] Not only should abortion be legal, I’m all for free unrestricted abortion at that. No reason needed.

Why? It should be encouraged as birth control. It saves men’s lives.

You want to pay for some kid for 20 years you didn’t want, she didn’t want, and will most likely be abused and poorly parented because you just are so desperate to have your baby in the genetic pool?

Are you really that sad an individual?

And the whining about “responsibility” just shows you’re a religious prude who hates sex. Which is fine, just admit you’re a religious prude who hates sex and are mad when women have sex.

Therefore you want to “punish” women by making them have your kids they don’t want meanwhile you whine about child support.

I’m anti child support too. And pro abortion because it’s saves men’s lives.

Your responsibility arguments are stupid. It just shows your sick religious dogma.

NeedleworkerAnnual19 · 2024-08-01T14:49:49+00:00

Yes because baby boys also deserve not to be ripped apart in the womb.

Asatmaya · 2024-07-30T14:08:31+00:00

No; oppressing women will just encourage more oppression of men.

That's a losing strategy.

Title	Do you think completely outlawing abortion would help the men's rights cause? Why or why not?
Author	Lazy-Spray3426
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Date	July 30, 2024 1:34 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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