The terms: "Internalized Misogyny" and "Toxic Masculinity"

vladshockolad · 2025-12-21T23:37:04+00:00

The witch hunts were largely perpetrated by women against other women.

The white feather movement largely consisted of women shaming men into enlisting.

Your comment that women simply internalize misogyny and men "externalize" "toxic masculinity" ironically feeds into the "patriarchy" by denying women agency and assigning, perhaps too much, agency to men. The fact that feminists do this is bizarre, considering how Simone de Beauvoir bemoaned men's self-definition as subjects and a denigration of women to the status of an object. The fact is women do have agency and capacity to be evil (towards other women or men). Treating women as equals would mean the recognition of that agency and capacity.

AGoodFaceForRadio · 2025-12-21T23:44:49+00:00

“Internalized misogyny” and “toxic masculinity” is just the usual framing of women as having no agency and men as having complete agency.

_not_particularly_ · 2025-12-21T23:29:45+00:00

It’s been my experience that what’s meant by the prefix “internalized” is “I’m a woman so I don’t have to take accountability for my misogyny that I very much just got done externalizing.” The only friends for whom I’ve had to regularly call misogyny is my female feminist friends.

SuspicousEggSmell · 2025-12-22T01:07:32+00:00

So when a woman shames a man for not conforming enough to whatever she deems a man should be, abuses a man and weaponizes the assumption that a woman can't abuse or rape a man, or uses those previous shaming tactics for coercion, what is she displaying?

Punder_man · 2025-12-22T01:10:51+00:00

When a woman conforms to the patriarchy, it comes only at the cost of herself, maybe to other women through some judgement but that doesn't even necessarily have to be the case. And women conforming to the patriarchy doesn't hurt men at all.

When a woman tells a man who is being overwhelmed by his emotions to "Man up" or "Real men don't cry" which is apparently "conforming to the patriarchy" I can absolutely and factually tell you that it DOES harm men.

However, when a man conforms to patriarchy, he is going to be reinforcing a system that elevates men. Along with that, this system hurts men who do not conform as well. By conforming to the patriarchy, men inadvertently end up hurting women as well as they reinforce the power dynamic already created and put themselves at the top.

Citation needed..

Via conformity, men gain higher status and women do as well but the status they gain will always be lower than that of the men who have conformed. Thus, the term is known as toxic masculinity as it reinforces the idea that men are inherently better than women.

Citation needed again...

Also, its funny how when its anything to do with men its labeled as: "Toxic Masculinity" which carries the implication that any / all things masculine are "toxic" This reinforces the idea that men are to blame.

Yet when it has to do with women its labeled: "Internalized Misandry" which implies that women are not at fault, rather its because of a hatred towards women..

Quite the double standard there..

Maffioze · 2025-12-22T08:22:31+00:00

It would be nice if you gave actual arguments for your position, because what you have done now is merely describe what your opinion is and called someone else dumb for disagreeing.

Society has created two different classes based on gender: men and women and men are inherently at the top of this hierarchy.

When a woman conforms to the patriarchy, it comes only at the cost of herself, maybe to other women through some judgement but that doesn't even necessarily have to be the case. And women conforming to the patriarchy doesn't hurt men at all.

However, when a man conforms to patriarchy, he is going to be reinforcing a system that elevates men. Along with that, this system hurts men who do not conform as well. By conforming to the patriarchy, men inadvertently end up hurting women as well as they reinforce the power dynamic already created and put themselves at the top.

Via conformity, men gain higher status and women do as well but the status they gain will always be lower than that of the men who have conformed. Thus, the term is known as toxic masculinity as it reinforces the idea that men are inherently better than women.

Why should I believe all of this is true?

Langland88 · 2025-12-22T22:37:12+00:00

I have a question. Why do you refer to it as "Internalized Misogyny" instead of "Toxic Femininity?"

Local-Willingness784 · 2025-12-23T04:42:18+00:00

Why can't we have normal people coming here for once to disagree? Like, does it always have to be feminists or like three fucking tradcons man....

Which_Ad_3917 · 2025-12-22T08:58:21+00:00

A woman conforms to the patriarchy at the cost of a provider. Someone needs to provide for her

1bnna2bnna3bnna · 2025-12-23T08:50:26+00:00

These are just terms invented in a Critical Theoretical perspective. They are derived from a butchered form of Marxist class dialectics and are designed to create absolute female victim flexibility in linguistic term - not describe the actual, material world women live in. Ignore it.

SvitlanaLeo · 2025-12-27T10:53:27+00:00

People who believe that men are obligated to be masculine simply hate men. Everyone in the world who holds this view hates men. It's very simple. True absense of hatred of men involves seeing them as full human beings who should have the freedom to define themselves whether that aligns with traditional roles or moves entirely away from them.

1bnna2bnna3bnna · 2025-12-23T23:19:28+00:00

Also "society" didn't create the category "male / man" or "female / woman" - biology did (and there is no class called "female / woman" or "male / man") Society's DID however create the class "capitalist" and "worker".

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ChimpPimp20 · 2025-12-30T01:38:03+00:00

When a woman conforms to the patriarchy, it comes only at the cost of herself-

Don't feminists say the same thing about men? Isn't this what Bell Hooks talks about in her books? You guys keep flip flopping with this that I can't seem to keep up with the rhetoric.

And women conforming to the patriarchy doesn't hurt men at all.

Too many of you guys are comfortable saying this. You mean to tell me that you can't give ANY examples of how a woman upholding patriarchy can hurt a man? Again, even Bell Hooks disagrees with you. Here are some examples of how women upholding patriarchy can hurt men:

1. A group of men and women protesting against the housing of 200 men at the College Point Center.
Over 250 women and 30 associations wrote a letter to the mayor of Naples to remove signs addressing men who have suffered violence. Apparently the page isn't accessible anymore (unless you wanna pay that is) so here's some quotes. "Women on the Net against violence - joins the appeal of over 250 women and 30 associations who have written to the mayor of Naples to ask for the removal of advertising signs relating to a campaign to defend males who have suffered violence. These posters, which appeared in various parts of the city of Naples risk undermining the actions that the municipality of the Campania capital also implements to combat feminicides and any form of male abuse of women."
This petition to stop gender neutral DV funding.
CPS including male abuse victims under the label of violence against women.
The Guardian admitting that they demonized and erased male refugees.
Brauer college making boys apologize on behalf of their gender.
Kamala Harris on Call Her Daddy agreeing that there is no government control on a man's body when MGM (circumcision) is still legal.
HuffPost editor calling to "kill all men."
Pauline Harmange and Natasha Lehrer writing the book "I Hate Men" and it being promoted by prominent feminist Roxanne Gay.

Dizzy-Study3456 · 2025-12-22T10:29:11+00:00

You're the only person Making sense on this subreddit, and you should find another subreddit because this one is literally just men pretending theyre progressive to justify shitting on women in every single post. Your comment is the only thing thats not sexist shit on this whole subreddit it makes me sick

Title	The terms: "Internalized Misogyny" and "Toxic Masculinity"
Author	uncreativehuman1
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Comments	151
Date	December 21, 2025 12:40 PM UTC (7 months ago)
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