A favorite boogeyman of feminists is the clumsy amalgamation of various internet cliques and subcultures known as the 'manosphere'. I say clumsy because many of the different cliques within this have mutually contradictory and clashing core beliefs. Now, I'm the last person to wholesale dismiss the 'manosphere' in a way akin to feminism, but a lot of the constituent cliques and subcultures within it are genuinely harmful (to the men and boys participating) and are a boon to mainstream feminism's cynical anti-men/anti-boys politics as much as they are an irritancy.

I speak here of mainly 3 cliques, with the third being a bit regrettably vague but I feel you guys'll know what I am talking about:

1) Red Pill: 'Pick up artistry' (PUA) that has centered itself a bit more in gender wars stuff - but in the most contemptibly shallow way possible. Focuses purely on posting examples of the stereotypical 'obnoxious and demanding woman' archetype to highlight how tough dating is for men now as a premise for then pitching 'dating solutions'. There is a very awkward juxtaposition between their presentation of the problem, which is the inflated egos of the women they fixate on, and their proposed 'solutions' which are entirely hinged upon teaching guys how to get with these women and then maintain relationships with them, which they should apparently want to do.

Also, weirdly enough, the entirety of the Red Pill ecosystem in terms of both the Red Pill figures/gurus and the women they're obsessed with seem to come from the same literal place; trashy, party-type areas in Miami or filled with extreme Instagram types (wealth flexing dudes, proud gold-digger women caked in makeup and etc). Miami seems to be the mecca of the Red Pill, and it's unsurprising that many Red Pill figures get caught having illicit affairs with the same trashy women they bring on to their podcasts to uphold their depiction of 'the modern dating scene'.

My gripe: aside from their solutions being based on dumb generalizations and being genuinely delusional and geared toward undesirable ends, the Red Pill misdirects a lot of attention on the part of young males - feminism's primary target enemy. These young men and boys would come much closer to the answers they seek, answers for which they turn to the Red Pill, if they broke out of this puerile Red Pill circlejerk.

2) Black Pill/incels: Now here are the interesting ones, and they come much closer to the answers mentioned in the previous sentence that young men need and are being deprived of the ability to properly seek by virtue of their entrapment in the Red Pill circlejerk. They generally have much higher quality discussions, broach deeper questions about gender roles and intergender dynamics and do not limit their sample size of women that they observe or 'study' to the trashy Instagram types that Red Pill figures claim are representative of all women. They also have a low opinion of the Red Pill and consider is delusion/coping.

You can tell by looking at their discourse that these are genuine in their problems, but where things go south is 'the Black Pill' which is basically biodeterminism that decrees that they're subhumans (as less physically attractive males), women's feelings for men are entirely dictated by their looks/eliteness and so on - basically, taking phenomenon that have explanations in modern dynamics and social engineering and slapping biological explanations for them so that they seem set in stone. A spiral downward into depression and, unfortunately, suicidal ideation, believing they've literally zero hope of living a happy life and escaping their loneliness and/or romantic failure.

So, while they get much better discourse going, they ultimately kind of fall off the deep end with the biodeterminist stuff. Like, no, Gen Z women saying they all want only a 6'5 billionaire Chad isn't 'evolutionary psychology' it's literally modern, artificially engineered behaviour. There needs to be some sort of attempt to show these guys the oft-times common-sense explanations for the behavioral trends they try to pretend are just brutal and cruel human biology and to get them away from their misery-spiral corners of the internet.

That, or leave them to their downward spiral and to mainstream feminism's sadistic framing of them are some sort of Grade A security threat that needs to be quashed with force or oppressed/suppressed. Bad ends either way.

3) Machoman Posturers: Basically there's a lot of often right wing or conservative online figures who have a really shallow "hit the gym eat steak take f*** bitches" masculinity gimmick going on and they'll use the topic of feminism to spew their "skill issue" nonsense.

"Feminism's just a shit test, the real alphas won't fail it"

"Feminism bad because it's making people have LESS SEX" (sex obsession ala Red Pill)

And stuff like that. No actual debate of any intellectual sort.