Falling down the rabbit hole

SteelSharpensSteel · 2017-09-29T11:19:25+00:00

Morpheus: I imagine that right now, you're feeling a bit like Alice. Hmm? Tumbling down the rabbit hole?

Neo: You could say that.

Morpheus: I see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. Ironically, that's not far from the truth. Do you believe in fate, Neo?

Neo: No.

Morpheus: Why not?

Neo: Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life.

Morpheus: I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Neo: The Matrix.

Morpheus: Do you want to know what it is?

Neo: Yes.

Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Neo: What truth?

Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.

innominating · 2017-09-29T11:37:03+00:00

Welcome.

Search 12 levels of dread and read that post. Better yet buy the book. That is as close to a road map as you'll get.

If you do it right your wife won't notice any drastic personality changes in you. They need to happen gradually right before her eyes.

Don't talk about this shit to her or anyone.

simbarlion · 2017-09-29T11:39:16+00:00

Welcome kirk. I can already see you are a rare newby bird here with your measured attitude and lack of major relationship issues. It takes a long time to digest the reading. I suggest avoiding trying to 'test out' the ideas,,as this will freak your wife out. Look at is a minimum of 6 months journey. You will be burnt at the stake if you dont get your arse to the gym and lift weights.

As a priority, after lifting, try to work out from the books which issues are relvant to you - i know you have mentioned drunk captain etc.

But you have not actually articulated what the problem is... Are you unhappy? lack of sex?

This info is key for the useful advice to start to flow

screechhater · 2017-09-29T11:50:34+00:00

Start growing a beard. Keep it trim and neat.

Look at you body fat ratio and look into keto, if you have to cut some fat.

STFU. If you can't figure out what to say than say nothing. It's important to women can talk themselves out if you listen, yet comment to acknowledge without delving deep. Got it/I understand

Info overload. Domino effect. All of it comes together. Don't get too deep into anyone thing

Book of Pook. Yes. Even fior married guys. Read it. 5x times if you must.

You are not her friend. You are her fuck mate. "The man she desires and craves to fill her full of his energy"

OYS. It's in the Main MRP sub. Go there. Read this.

No woman can fuck their kid. Remember that.

Most of all don't mind fuck every detail to death. Read this

do your best to start at one. Get through it. Keep that going. Then the next step. You should be at 4 within a few months and stay there. Ya she needs the 4/5 treatment. Got it ?

justpickanyusername · 2017-09-29T12:25:06+00:00

Just remember that you taking your balls back will almost always piss her off. It's okay though. You have at least a year or more of work more or less ahead of you. Shifting the marriage dynamics that she worked hard to establish takes time. The good news is it usually gets better. If it doesn't, you will be in good shape moving forward and there was nothing there of value anyways for you.

UEMcGill · 2017-09-29T13:44:04+00:00

I met a lot of driven, type A people in college. Just like you, they did all the right things.

There are some aspects of my situation that don't line up with that though

Virtually every single one of them was a validation whore. Got to do good in school, got to look good and be in shape. Got a plan, house career, 2.1 kids and cute wife.

Validation whores are career betas. They base their whole purpose, their "mission" on the image they portray to the people around them.

Ask yourself if you've made any life decisions because you thought it would please your wife, parents, or otherwise improve your social standing. Have you ever acquiesced to something because you didn't want to make waves even though you felt it would harm you? Have you ever stumbled in your career because you "Don't play office politics"

Betas get to fuck women, but not for the reasons they think. Betas can be successful inspite of themselves.

[deleted] · 2017-09-29T14:13:55+00:00

You are getting a lot of feedback from senior members because they can sense you are different from most of the guys who wander in here. Most start asking ridiculous questions and try jam as much of the lingo as they can to seem like they are already part of the gang. You will do fine, your attitude is greay. It's baby steps, yoh already lift so for you it is a matter of learning some really tight game, and taking the pussy off the pedestal. Don't avoid the main sub. There are plenty of top level posts in there which will help your game dramatically. It will also help to violently shake you out of the blue pill nightmare most guys live in. Small steps, read up on game. Read the Book of Pook and the commandments of poon. That stuff is often ignored. Also read The Manipulated Man, but be warned, it is brutal enough to make any grown man with a brain, cry.

[deleted] · 2017-09-29T14:17:29+00:00

You did not want to see before.

now your first step is to realize that all of the things you will , or will not do, are to make you, Kirk, happy. Not dependent on the feelings of others in your life.

One can only do good things from a good place when one is happy.

So figure out how to do that, slowly. 40 years is a lot of time to resolve - including childhood things likely.

SteelSharpensSteel · 2017-09-29T15:20:53+00:00

You've gotten some solid advice here, and I'd like to add a bit more.

I get the dumbfoundedness. Reading NMMNG was like a punch in the balls, wasn't it.

You've got your physical shape on point, but you didn't mention how frequently you get out of the house. I believe that LIFT is one of the first pieces of advice because it has MULTIPLE advantages, not just physical appearance. First, it gets you out of the house - there is some scarcity. Second - you get some time by yourself to reflect on yourself and your plan. Third - obviously the health benefits. Fourth - it boosts your self esteem. If you are not getting out of the house, you might want to consider that.

Some specific suggestions on being the captain:

Owning the finances Detailing out a PLAN with the finances ("Ok honey, here is our 3 month projection, and here is the next big goal we are working toward.") Completely planning the next vacation Planning the weekend activities for the next month Creating a meal plan Getting a calendar white board and getting the schedule set on that Getting a list of stuff that only you can do around the house, and then doing it (aka OYS) Do fun stuff (Arboretum, Zoo, Aquarium, bed and breakfast... I could go on and on) Owning your own health - doctor/physical, dentist, etc. Owning your family's health - set up appts, etc.

Remember, you are the Captain, and everyone in your house, including your house, is your ship. Start owing your shit. Women talk, men do. Start doing.

Also, do not do "date night". EVERY night is date night - you see why MRP is TRP on Hard Mode.

As other posters have mentioned, the first rule about fight club is that we do not talk about fight club. The second rule about fight club is WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB. You might say to yourself, well, that makes sense; but here's why it makes sense. I'm going to analogize a bit here, talking about fight club is very similar to the "Just Be Yourself" advice you initially get when talking to a girl. The reason why JBY is endorsed by women is that it makes it very easy for them to "get" you, and know what bucket you fall into. Similarly, trying to explain fight club to your wife (or any woman, really) is trying to logic them into doing what you want. You can't logic a woman to be attracted to you/initiate sex with you/get the comfortable feelz with you - that requires a different, MRP-based tact.

I'm going to change the stereotypical "ABC" acronym to the following: Always Be Calibrating. Take this stuff that you read, and then ADAPT it to your specific circumstance. Always be calibrating your responses. Use your critical thinking hat - read what's on here, and really consider how it would work in your situation, then execute.

In jest, I'll say grow a beard. But really, look into it. Beards are a sign of masculinity.

If you are at 0% asshole, you might want to try bumping it up to 5% asshole. Don't go overboard, but change it up.

I appreciate posts like this - you came in with the right attitude, and it's so much better than the troll posts we frequently see on here. Welcome, I hope you take this advice and make some life changes.

rocknrollchuck · 2017-09-29T16:10:27+00:00

Welcome. The rest of the comments here are fantastic, you are getting investment from the Senior guys because you seem to have come here with the right attitude. Here's some additional reading that is not in the sidebar that most of us here have found very helpful:

One more thing - since you're just getting started, whenever you are unsure what to do in a situation, just STFU. No, that can't be your only move - eventually you have to learn A&A, AM and Fogging as well - but it will help you the most in the beginning.

[deleted] · 2017-09-29T12:42:00+00:00

Baby Steps

You could gradually incorporate things... see how that goes, reserving Rambo mode for if that fails.

You're only on your own timetable at this point.

Westernhagen · 2017-09-29T13:07:55+00:00

I think am probably a Career Beta, kind of. There are some aspects of my situation that don't line up with that though. I have been lifting weights for about 15 years. I'm 40 years old, and I have a very successful career.

There is no contradiction at all between lifting weights, career success, and being beta.

ReddJive · 2017-09-29T11:58:32+00:00

I guess I just keep my head down until I get some reading and understanding under my belt?

New alphas coming in here do one of two things.

What you are proposing...just STFU and go through the day until it all makes sense.
FUCK YEAH THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAA

Both are fucked up. STFU is really a base level tactic to do when you don't understand anything else. STFU and leave. STFU and find something else to do.

Smile and move along with your life. Thing is all women project their emotions on others. What they feel is what you are feeling (and for the fucking life of me I can't remember the term). So when you STFU up just kee your head down she is going to interpret that as you being upset because she is.

I'd argue the base level tactic is being happy and fun regardless of what she does. When she does something that displeases you happy fun. Walk away and remove your time and attention for a while. But don't sit there and keep your head down. Most red pill men think that married guys are done for but what they don't realize is that we have a training partner. Someone we can work on our skills with little to no consequence, other than divorce but honestly, it isn't going to happen overnight and if it does you were headed that way anyhow.

I say jump right in. Little by little implement the things you learn. If they don't work....laugh an think well shit fucked that up. And get right back in there. You aren't getting fucked now so what's to lose? What can she do? Is she going to withhold sex from you? HAHAHAHAHA she already is!

Continue on in the pathetic attempts at a sex life that I've had in the past?

Yes but really have some balls. Your self-deprecating is pathetic. Let it be the last time. Women love to tease and deny. It's fucked up but they do. Even the best ones. They hamster all sorts of reasons. You need to condition her to realize there's a consequence to it.

If she walks away you were being lied to the whole time, to begin with so what's the problem?

These tools are here to get your life in order to get your head space right. So that no matter what happens you can face it on your feet like a man. Then move on

Rian_Stone · 2017-09-29T11:49:26+00:00

instead of thanks, do the work, hit the gym, and actually contribute.

all the thanks anyone needs

tacko276 · 2017-09-29T16:45:46+00:00

Blue pill professor pod casts are a great place to start If you want good examples of gratuitous miss uses of red pill theory/info and Rambo bull shit, read my posts. Learn form my and other guys mistakes rp does work. But it is work and I'm finding the work never really ends Lift Read the side bar Lift more
Read more And keep us posted

donedreadpirate · 2017-09-29T18:40:32+00:00

Good news for you is that this will probably come really easy for you. Seems like you are holding yourself accountable, you're fit,, and have your shit together. Read your heart out but most importantly apply what you read in real life to you, your wife and other women.

Title	Falling down the rabbit hole
Author	IndependentKirk
Upvotes	12
Comments	44
Date	September 29, 2017 11:14 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/askMRP
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