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Mike Rowe with Some RP Truths.

Yelvy
April 30, 2014
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Title Mike Rowe with Some RP Truths.
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Date April 30, 2014 12:42 PM UTC
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[–][deleted] 61 points62 points63 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The word is out among Vegas prostitutes and they are moving to North Dakota because that's where there are a lot of men with a lot of money and not a lot of women. "Claire" should move to North Dakota too...

[–]Roll9ers2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is actually very true. During hunting season especially. (Pheasant)

[–]MrMagwitch 1 points1 points1 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Take it from a me, when you're 40 too, you won't think you're old yet

[–]MrMagwitch1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–]red_tux69 points70 points71 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Mike Rowe is a modern day philosopher. His humility is beyond measure, but he reminds me the core lesson in Dale Carnegie's book, "How to Win Friends and Influence People", and that is to talk about others, not yourself. I think he eximplifies this best when he was asked to speak at Boy Scout Annual Meeting, he started out by thanking the chef, then he proceeds to talk how even though he is an Eagle Scout he wrote a message that does not mean that being an Eagle is for everyone. He then proceeds to talk about how his real hero is his brother, a Star Scout who saved a life in his teens. His brother is nowhere near as awarded as Mike, but to Mike his bother is a real hero.

For me, Mike Rowe embodies service to others time and time again, and what it means to live confidently.

[–]charlesbukowksi13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Seems like a gentleman and a scholar.

[–][deleted] 8 points8 points8 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]charlesbukowksi9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Machiavelli would have a few things to say on why that wouldn't work.

[–]M3_Drifter8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

President is a job. Gotta try 'em all.

[–][deleted] 6 points6 points6 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]arhombus-5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is why we can only get a black man to do it.

[–]producer352 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd try to beat you to be first in line.

[–]rife_omeqa 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's also an excellent opera singer.

[–]magicalbird6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What Rowe said is legit. You gotta try new things or else you'll end up with nothing. Worse case you can quit and try something new.

Sexual strategy implication: I expanded my taste in women where the only thing she needs to do is arouse my curiosity to talk to her. Once they pass that threshold some hotter girls become less hot and slightly less hotter girls beyond a tad bit hotter it all depends based on trying stuff out.

[–]CockasaurusRex 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Does anybody have any idea of how to research beginner welding jobs in North Dakota? Is there an actual need for welders in North Dakota, or was that just an example? I would be all about that.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

There is an actual need for welders in North Dakota...welders who've spent the last 3-4 years as a welder's helper in North Dakota. Rig welding isn't something you just walk into, and to make matters worse, it's heavily unionized, making the path into a job relatively linear and inflexible.

If you want fast oilfield money, get a class-A CDL and six months experience then start hitting the phones. Tanker and hazmat a plus.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What are they welding? Is there some kind of industrial boom happening up there?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakken_formation

[–]baconophilus2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bakken-Oilfield-Fail-of-the-Day/292810960810561

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have been welding at college because I am studying Mechanical Engineering, I have welded like 5 days in total, every day an hour or something in total, so 5 full hours in total, I only know what mig/mag and tig are.

Could I be a welder they are looking for?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Give it a shot; there are some companies that train new welders. You won't be welding to begin with, but will support the welders. The ones they really want can mig weld vertically (as pipe is often welded) and have some work experience/certs or better, UA membership. (Union shops can literally hire nobody who isn't a member)

Is there a reason you're not staying in Mech? It's a good field if you can make it.

[–]red_tux6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Mike Rowe Works foundation has a resource link for trade schools. The same foundation offers scholarships as well.

[–][deleted] 7 points7 points7 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]Ulfberht20 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Seems like hookers would make a killing up there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rumor has it that 'they' (the procurers) fly them in from across the country in tandem with the two weeks on/off schedule the roughnecks tend to work. I imagine they wouldn't go to that much trouble otherwise.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are. It's such a problem the state is kicking around the idea of legalizing it.

[–]RedPillMotors2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hit trade school first, but afterwards part of his site is dedicated to putting grads into those jobs. You can also apply for a scholarship on his site and do the ed for free.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Google is your friend. YOU have to do the work yourself if you want payoffs.

[–]frequentlywrong51 points52 points53 points 12 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

There was bestof'ed discussion as a reply to what Rowe is saying a few weeks ago I think. What Rowe does not tell you is that outdoor manly work that pays well also tends to leave you crippled in some way after 10-20 years. Also if it's seasonal, you will likely be broke as shit on the off season.

[–]DrDalenQuaice11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

if it's seasonal, you will likely be broke as shit on the off season.

Not necessarily. Some of those jobs still end up paying over $100K per year even though you only work 6 months. If you're disciplined with your money I'm sure you could find some fun for the other 6 months.

[–]colovick1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or even just find another seasonal job for the alt season... You can make a small fortune doing this

[–]red_tux13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not quite true. I had a friend who worked in the dirt business, that meant that between mid spring and late fall he would make the bulk of his money, and would often do nothing over the winters. He knew that he had to live on less than he made during the summers to pay his bills in the winter. He had to learn to budget. In addition he had a truck business on the side, this allowed him to make a little more in the summer, but also make some money during the off season hauling equipment in preparation for the work season.

On the flip side I have some friends who work in the very White collar field of tax preparation. They have only 4 or so months out of the year which they can make money. Needless to say, during tax season they're working 12 and 16 hour days, but during the off season they may be lucky to bill 10 hours a week.

In the end it's more about how you budget and spend your money, not how much you make.

[–]Johnny10toes2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The trick is move up before the 10 or 12 years comes along. Get into the authority positions. More money and less work.

[–]animea90 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem is that there are 10 grunts for every supervisor. So that strategy can't work for most of the grunts.

[–]Johnny10toes0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right but you have to rise above or out last them.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of places in North America alone where you can get a great blue collar job that will not "cripple" you and you can retire by 45.

[–]ryguy444 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

45 really? Damn i need a different job lol

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You can usually transition into something more white-collar as you age (e.g. supervisor, manager, process consultant, technical sales) especially if you go back to school. It's a good way to cash in on the experience you have in blue-collar without condemning yourself to crouching in a muddy Bakken ditch welding at 45.

You just have to be flexible. I see so many guys who are like 'This is what I've done, this is what I do.' and they fucking regret it by the time they're 55 and they've been doing the same job role for the last 35 years. It's never too soon to expand your horizons.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

3 years as a young man in the Bakken, and you could earn enough to buy property and live off rent.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Property is a poor investment in this country.

In any case, you probably wouldn't make enough money to make a significant investment. As a mostly untrained young man, a job I was lining up on a few months ago was as an irrigation installer for a fracking supply company. Starting pay was $40k with full benefits (a princely sum to me, but not to your usual property investor) and a $400/mo stipend for renting in Dickinson, ND. For reference, I've known guys to be offered between $30k and $45k. Your typical rent there will be ~$1200/mo (for studio) plus you have to pay for your accomodation in the 'man camp' when you're in the field. The cost of living up there is astronomically high. If you live like a Buddhist monk, you'll have a nice nest egg but you're not going to be making it rain in any investment market with that money.

[–]animea90 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You can usually transition into something more white-collar as you age (e.g. supervisor, manager, process consultant, technical sales)

You can't "usually" do this. There is going to be 1 supervisor for every 10 blue-collar workers. Similar ratio on the rest of those positions.

Some of the blue collar workers will transition, but its impossible for the majority to do so.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. But not all blue collar workers will even try to do that. Many of them will be comfortable where they are, and not think of the future. So let's say 3 in 10 are like that.

That leaves a 7:1 ratio, and from my observations, I'm sure that's a generously pessimistic figure. If you optimize your learning and self-development to approach that point and maneuver properly within your career (laterally moving when necessary) I can see no reason why you wouldn't be able to at least be in a position to do that.

There is of course no surety to this. The same goes for any career. Your chances of getting a higher-echelon job while working as, say, a retail salesperson, are about a hundred to one, so what's the use in giving up over such good odds?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Mine crippled me by 35, military, farming, construction, machining, automotive, and owning a business. Most of my friends who have worked blue collar jobs are also broken, but since the military didn't finish them off in a war, they are still working in pain. I'll be 45 soon, and it kinda sucks to be on a fixed income at my age, but I make the best of it.

[–]Canadian_Infidel3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Due to the insane conditions of an early job I was fucked at 20. It didn't bother me for years but at 29 the game is suddly over. I will never ride a bike, ski, swim, you name it. I'm also gaining weight and starting to look like shit and I've only been "shut down" for six months. But that's why you get when your as active as a coma patient. The future does not look good.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The hardest thing for me to control was my food intake when I would suddenly be unable to be active. When you start with a very active lifestyle, busting your ass at work, playing hard, and getting extremely physical in daily life, then are forced to be sedentary, you will gain weight because you eat at the high output rate, not the new sit on your ass and can't do shit rate.

Even if you're a paraplegic you can get enough exercise in to stay fit, back pain can fuck you more than paralysis. There are ways around it when you suddenly have limited mobility, but it takes motivation and creativity.

Cut the calories, find something you can still do to be active, completely put off alcohol and sugary drinks, and you can maintain. Its more effort in different areas, but it can be done.

[–]Canadian_Infidel1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Thanks very much for listening and thanks for the response. My back/abdomen/hip muscles are actually where the issues are. I can do some light weights with my arms, and I'm considering taking it further. Not sure I can though. Hell, a quarter of one set has me in agony. Even holding a ten pound weight out to one side kills me. Everything I do has to be perfectly balanced or the pain is pretty insane, and it's delayed so I know it's from me tearing muscle and making it even worse, especially since when they pain shows up it stays. Sometimes when it's really bad I literally can't do anything but lay flat for days at a time. I just lay there, maybe getting up once a day to eat and use the bathroom in one "trip" because any more is too painful.

Unfortunately the doctors are giving up on me because they can't figure out what to do, so I'm just waiting for the last of the tests before they officially tell me there is nothing they 1can do. It pisses me off because I know if I was an athlete like I used to be I would probably be fixed. I mean they are putting cadaver tendons in MMA fighters but I can't even get one MRI. I'm getting the feeling they have decided I am no just a waste of resources.

My plan? Find out if this can be fixed. If it can't, and everyone so far says it can't (I just can't bring myself to believe it), then nitrogen asphyxiation. I have the mobility of an 70 year old. Actually no, 70 year olds are much better off than me (normally, in my family anyway. my great uncle had a barrel chest and split his own firewood until 73). Obviously I will be spending the rest of my life alone, and eventually I will not be able to work any more. It's not diagnosed, so I will never get any disability.

I worked my ass off all my life so I could get out of the shithole I was born into. I make damn good money, especially for my age. Unfortunately I gave up my 20's to get here.

I only had six months of the "good life" where I had a stable well paying job where I only had to work 40 hours a week. Immediately I was working out like a champ (like I used to before I had to spend a decade working 50-80 hour weeks) and eating great and even learning new hobbies and women were a bigger part of my life than ever before (except when I was in high school). Now that is over. Turns out I wasted my life.

As soon as I was hurt, and I knew how bad it was, I looked in the mirror at my now sculpted body and took one picture, knowing I looked as good as I was ever going to. At least I have that. Even now, just having a laptop sitting on my legs has me in pretty fucking serious pain because it's been more than 20 minutes.

Sorry for bitching.

tl;dr - Some people just lose.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I had to bitch for an entire year before the PA in my unit would get me an MRI. Cost me my career because he thought I was faking it and didn't want to run. MRI guy was amazed I was still walking when he saw the damage.

Take it easy for a while, try some nsaids, I'm on etodolac, and it works pretty well. Let it heal and maintain your weight in the mean time. Its really going to hurt when you're my age in twenty years. Take care of it now.

[–]Canadian_Infidel2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow, thank you for this comment. It's been six to seven months. It's past that scary point in time where I know if it was going to heal itself, it would have. I don't even know what nsaids are (now I do, thanks internet). I will have to look into it. I think my doctor may not be so good.

Honestly if I was 50 it wouldn't bother me so much (or so I think, I know). But I haven't even started my life, really. I tell you one thing, if I am ever whole again I will have a completely new appreciation for life.

Thanks for telling me about nsaids. You have helped me more than any doctor ever has, just with that.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ibuprofen is an nsaid, but they work well on inflammation. Hang in there and do what you can. There is almost always something you can do.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Mike Rowe himself went to college, then made it big as a salesman without ever having a blue-collar job...food for thought.

TRP, when you see a public figure making statements, don't ask 'Is he right?' but instead 'For what effect is he saying this?'

[–]red_tux44 points45 points46 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

You're statement is very ignorant of the back story for how Dirty Jobs was created, and for why he created the MikeRoweWORKS foundation to help support training for the trades.

Yes he went to college, but that was because that was the conventional wisdom at the time. He also was part of the Baltimore Opera, because that's where the chicks were. Working for QVC in a way makes sense, he's used to the performance arts and he has voice training and could use leverage that for use in TV and Radio, so an entry level job at QVC makes sense as a stepping stone. It all came to a head one day when he needed his toilet fixed in his house in SF. He left the money to have it fixed because he didn't know how to fix it. He remarked that his grandfather on the other hand knew how to fix almost everything in the house, and would not have needed the plumber. This got him to thinking, who does the jobs which make civilized life possible. From that point forward he has been very open about the odyssey and learning experience he has been on, and how he as become an unexpected spokesmen for the trades and hard work.

Edit:
Mike has definitely put his money where his mouth is on this. Here is his testimony before congress around 2011

[–]AgentSmith273 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't think that really invalidated anything he (the previous commenter) said. Mike Rowe really isn't fit to comment on a lifetime of hard labor. He poses in front of the camera for snippets of him doing difficult work, but at the end of the day he is the executive producer of a TV show. He makes a boat load of money and doesn't have to endure the combined effects that these jobs have on your body, accumulating over time.

The truth is, that while some of these jobs pay well... They will leave most people miserable. Given a choice, most people would take a white collar job over a blue collar job... and blue collar jobs typically pay worse unless the conditions are very shitty or the work is very hard.

Not everyone is cut out for college, and obviously some people will waste their money... Those people probably should end up in a blue collar job. Nevertheless, most people simply want to aim higher than that.

[–]Canadian_Infidel1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wish someone told me that. I was told hard work was honorable. Yes, I was raised by idiots.

[–]StillRedder0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't work hard, work smart.

[–]Canadian_Infidel-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great but he's still never held down a dirty job. He just plays at them on TV.

[–]bam2_890 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His advice isn't necessarily applicable only to blue collar workers. You could take this advice for pretty much anything. Even a lawyer could get something from it: if you wanted to do corporate and all you can find is insurance litigation, do insurance litigation.

[–]1sailorJery0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

yeah, like being a SEAL the average career span is something like 6 years, which is crazy when you think of the time spent training for it.

[–]MrMagwitch 1 points1 points1 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–]1sailorJery0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

exceptions don't disprove an assessment of averages.

[–]MrMagwitch 1 points1 points1 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–]1sailorJery0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

oh my bad, I didn't understand

[–]Canadian_Infidel-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Waiting for doctors reports. Possibly crippled for life at 29, right here. They have no idea why. Not they seem to care.

[–]rife_omeqa 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Big fan of Mike Rowe.

Not RP related but worth a watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVdiHu1VCc

[–]red_tux1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Everything Mike puts his voice to is gold. Case in point Adventures in VO: "Sorry, Wrong Number"

Edit: Dug up some more Mike Rowe Gold
Mike Rowe on QVC - Katsak - C.R.A.P.: "The Katsak Returns"
Mike Rowe on QVC - Unhealthy Caller
Mike Rowe on QVC - Lava Lamp

[–]t21spectre1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

$45 for a lava lamp, 20 something years ago? Wow.

[–][deleted] 9 points9 points9 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]john_andrew_smith1010 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The point was not to wait for the perfect job, but to just get a job and do it well. Unicorns aren't real, whether they be women or jobs. Apply TRP concepts to how you work, not just your game.

[–]sniperhiding 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

On a side note, what is going on in North Dakota? What's the root driver for this boom?

Edit: file this under "no duh sniper". Forgot about that. :) (insert hamstering) I have been sick this week though.

[–]phil_mcrevis11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oil boom

[–]Adach8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Till fracking becomes regulated or gets banned....

Just kidding no way that happens

[–]googlenerd3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oil and natural gas production.

[–]red_tux2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Oil, and they're paying people who only have high school diplomas over $100K per year for some of the jobs, like welding. Kramer from Mad Money did a special in the oil fields in ND a few years ago and they said they could not find enough people to work up there, and that for those who were willing to work hard it would be possible to be pulling six figures after a few years on the job and working their way up.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

On the downside, housing is difficult to find, I've been told. Shit-tons of homeless people.

[–]xantris9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

even bigger downside, it's North Dakota.

[–]LAMFF 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Was up there for 3 months. It's the absolute worst. This guy sounds like way to much of a pussy to undergo what's necessary to make this move.

[–]red_tux1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I do not doubt. Someone I knew was looking at buying up some land in SD in preparation for the migration south. If you can get temporary housing ready for the population boom and an infrastructure to maintain such facilities one can easily make a small fortune. The trick is finding the right location and being able to cover the costs until the work crews start to come to town.

[–]john_andrew_smith1012 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They're so short of people up there that McDonald's employees are getting 15/hr plus a sign on bonus. The oil boom affected everything up there.

[–]gg_s0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is rumor. There is no shortage of unskilled workers out there. Starting wage at McDonald's is around 7.50, same as anywhere else. They make that clear before handing you an application.

[–]bama79rolltide0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any links to how I can find one of these jobs?

[–]Dishmayhem1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have walls and conditions, and I am ok with that

[–]Roll9ers1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair to Claire, I don't want to ever leave the Bay Area either.

[–]hermit0875 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

For anyone who wants to look into welding and doesn't have the time/money to get trained and certified, the Air Force has an entire career field for welding called "Metals Tech". You could probably just tough it out for the four years and get some real experience, then get out and start making money.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And if you change your mind, GI Bill, baby.

[–]MrsStrom1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem with the GI Bill that recruiters don't tell you, is that it only pays for certain degrees. Granted, those degrees are chosen in part because of the job outlooks in those fields. But don't think that you can join, and get your off the wall degree when you're done.

[–]red_tux1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention it would be a lot of experience working with specialty metals, which can require more expensive training in the private sector. I am willing to bet that the AF training would not equate to a private sector welding certificate, but I'm sure many employers would be willing to work with someone who has the experience to get the certificates.

[–]t21spectre0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Army too, I'm pretty sure every branch does.

[–]whowhathuhumm0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

NO. What shitty fucking "advice."

[–]major_tom383 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I love how Mike Rowe disses people who won't work shit jobs and get useless degrees yet he's a theatre major who's only dirty job was selling knives on QVC. He held out for a popular show and he got it. Come on guys he gives some good advice but people seem to take his word as gospel, his blue collar image is about as authentic as Larry the Cable Guy's.

[–]bcwalker-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This. Also, those dirty jobs are dead ends. Every last one of them will be replaced by robots and software within 10-15 at the latest, especially as wage pressure increases both through market and legislative avenues, so as sad as it sounds the truth is that it is University or Bust- and then, even most of those careers are dead or de-skilled within the same time frame. Technological Unemployment is real, folks.

[–]major_tom380 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only way out is to be creative with your career and try to acquire a leadership position of some sort. Those are hard to outsource or replace. If you can establish yourself in a creative/original field with a reputation that's good too. Also who looks back on their life saying 'yep glad I spent my youth shoveling shit and cleaning septic tanks for a slightly higher paycheck'. Mike Rowe works a dirty job for a day and takes his limo back to his massive mansion in Beverly Hills.

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[–]trpalternate96 points97 points98 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Then learn to weld.

[–]1KingofRiders11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Best response.

[–]RedPillMotors10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It's really not that hard once you understand the principals. MIG welding isn't any harder than using a hot glue gun. Then if you want to really go balls out, learn to scuba dive. Underwater welders have buckets of cash thrown at them.

[–]enclosed101 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if you aren't looking for a job, acetylene welding is pretty fun just as a hobby.

[–]dullyouth1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I believe it is super dangerous though... inherently.

[–]t21spectre2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dive welders have a life expectancy of ~50 years. It is both dangerous and taxing on your health. Regular and constant exposure to many time normal pressure takes a incredible toll on the heart.

[–]red_tux-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Crossing the street is inherently dangerous too, but that does not mean you can't mitigate and minimize the dangers.

[–]t21spectre0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apples and Oranges.

[–]87GNX2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This... is what this sub is about.

[–]drallcom31 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And I'm sure there'a a welding tutorial here on reddit.

[–]red_tux3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

RP is not just about dating, but the philosophy has much do do about life as shown by /u/trpalternate. If you don't know how to do something and want to know, go figure out how to learn it, don't Blue Pill your way to an excuse about why you can't. Sure you may not have a welder, or may not be able to afford one, but this does not mean you can't. Go find an art space (think welded art), or hacker space (think welding for robotics), they will know better how to point your in the right directions.

[–]SnakeInTheAss2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Dude is totally right. There's big money to be made in the trades too if you're willing to work, and in the right places they'll throw money at you just too keep you around. I'm making 6 figures and I don't even have my ticket yet.

It's no cushy office job, but at the end of the day you'll know you actually accomplished something.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Trucker here, I've only been at this a year and a mobile office is great.

It's not necessarily blue collar work, but definitely hands on grey collar work.

40k earning potential alone in first year for most companies

[–]ruboski1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

May I ask what your line of work is? I'm in university at the moment and trying to work out where I'm going.

[–]SnakeInTheAss4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right now I'm doing servicing on heavy equipment and beginning an apprenticeship as a mechanic. My wages work out to about 50k a year but with overtime I'm doubling that. I generally have more overtime pay then regular pay on most of my paychecks, especially in the summer.

I could go further north for more money but I like being in this more urban area

[–]RedPillMotors2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Welders make good money and we can't train them fast enough. Friends of mine have to import them for jobs on contracts. They'd rather hire US dudes, but it sometimes isn't possible. First thing, is you're probably in the wrong place unless by University you mean "technical college". Pipe fitting, welding, electrical, etc. It isn't comfortable work and you're going to pick up scars, but it pays and you feel great at the end of a long day.

[–]RoundDesk1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

but at the end of the day you'll know you actually accomplished something.

Excuse me?

I managed a team that custom designed and developed a billing system that invoices $4 Billion annually. I'm pretty sure us office guys "actually accomplish" something.

[–]SnakeInTheAss1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

With that solipsism you must be a broad. Don't worry I've got a nice pry bar to unwedge those panties from your vagina.

[–]rife_omeqa 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm in Aus. I know a guy who cleans drains with high pressure equipment. Essentially flushing out storm water drains and such. It can be messy but he's his own boss, sets his own hours and decides when he wants to work.

He makes $160 an hour. Not even joking.

[–]jethreezy1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Never liked Dirty Jobs much, but Mike Rowe seems like a good role model.

[–]watersign0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

eh, i disagree with the take any job you can get idea. yeah, if you need to pay your bills, obviously you should take any job but if you're trying to have a career..jumping form random job to random job is not going to do you any good.

[–]1BadgerBurger0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If anyone is looking into moving to North Dakota to grab a piece of that cash, you would be wise to look at the cost of living around Williston before making any decisions. $100k a year goes fast after taxes and $3000/month rent.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mancamp!

[–]czworooki0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Last year I was looking for "right job". Fucked me badly. Now I don`t have a job that I would like to have, but things are getting better.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I need change, excitement, and adventure in my life, but where the pay is steady.

The guy's expectation that a dream job could fulfill all his conflicting wishes reminds me of every chicks expectation that Mr. Perfect could do the same for them, and every beta worshiper's expectation their princess could make their dreams come true.

The freedom they seek is borne of laziness. They just want to find a place to plug their umbilical cord into so they can sit back and relax.

Solid answer from Rowe. Called him out on his BS while maintaining diplomacy.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This has never been so true for me..

Thabks to red pill I've been getting a lot of sex and pretty much have my degree in the bag after topoing the year but I was bored. . And started getting depressed.

Recently got some work opportunity and like a click of a finger, all my motivation and happiness has returned.

[–]major_tom38-4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't want a perfect woman. I deserve a perfect woman.

[–]csmass 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't deserve shit, you earn it. You may be a good man, a tough alpha man, but the world owes you nothing.

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