I've always wanted to hate the idea of this sub... but today I finally realised just how The Red Pill way is, and always has been, the correct way

nicethingyoucanthave · 2014-12-10T05:48:48+00:00

Imagine being married dude. Imagine if her getting bored means you lose everything. Everything.

Don't get married.

KissTheBridesmaid · 2014-12-10T11:11:18+00:00

Give a woman half a second and she will turn you into someone she despises. This is not her intention though, she will try to change you but she is really testing your strength to make sure she can trust to have a strong spine so you can be the solid rock in her world of constant emotional turmoil.

The problem is that too many men have forgotten this and think that the woman really wants them to change. She does not want you to change but she needs to make sure you can resist change, this is why she tests you.

This is subconscious, women are not aware they are doing this most of the time. Women think they know what they want but what they really want is more often than not the exact opposite.

Same with arguments. Can’t remember who said this: Women do not want to win fights, they want to be with someone who wins fights.

Onemanwolfpack23 · 2014-12-10T06:53:37+00:00

I too have gone back and reviewed past failures and successes through a RP framework and have been shocked at how much it all makes sense.

One of the deepest failures i've had in my life was when I was 19 years old. I was a virgin. Entering my second year of college after orbiting two different girls consistently my first year...with of course no success.

So I say fuck it, get a job, save some money, move out into my own inlaw. Working, making money, taking care of my shit, working out, doing classes all that good stuff. Start ignoring these girls DNGAF and start hitting on everything that moves (and failing) to get my dick wet.

One day my scrawny ass decides to grow a beard, shave a goatee and continue constantly hitting on all the girls in my classes. One girl bites, she is super hot. I was consistently hitting on white chicks (in the bay area, a bad move) but this time I hit on a latina. Latina's really like facial hair so this raised my SMV really high to her.

I didn't know what I was doing. I "got her" to come over, when the truth is she was leading the whole thing. She saw me as Alpha Fuxx for a brief second. She came over and wanted to fuck, but I was like that scene in Night at the Roxbury and really had no idea what the fuck the context was or what was happening.

I'm not going to write what happened, but the bottom line is I did a lot of beta cringe inducing shit which resulted in me not having any sex with this girl. She came over later that week AGAIN, and I AGAIN did more and more worse beta shit completely disgusting her and making me into a Beta Bux without the Bux so just a beta worthless guy who she didn't even want to orbit her.

I was devastated for about 6 months. I felt like I had finally gotten a taste of the good life and had completely screwed it up. I hated myself. I hated all my friends, blamed them for being such losers and cut them out of my life.

I move, save money- get another job- meet a girl- slightly less cringe - and end up with a girlfriend. Here I am 5 years later. I am navigating being in this relationship and maintaining some semblance of frame. I don't know why but this girl loves me, I have no money- she frequently lends me cash. She fucks me constantly and even though she rode CC hard in college- lets me do things she did not let her pump and dumps do (I like to think so- haha, but you guys make me question it). I'm not saying I have anything figured out but coming from the pathetic bottom I was at i've made a really huge leap in my SMV.

My point is that RP can easily be applied to many interactions with women. Even your own mom.

Cyralea · 2014-12-10T14:20:43+00:00

Welcome to the club. It's amusing to me how poorly outsiders understand the necessity of subs like this one. They assume that everyone here is simply a low-SMV male looking to "trick" a woman above his grade into bed.

Same boat as you, I was lucky to be born rather attractive. Lots of initial attention from girls. Many forms of "Hey, a friend of mine saw your picture on Facebook, she wants to meet you". And yet I did spectacularly badly when I actually interacted with them. Even when I learned the basics of game, I sucked at relationships. Didn't really figure it out until my late 20's. Can you imagine how much harder it must be for a lower SMV man?

Glad to hear you're able to process your previous failings. Can only go up from here.

SammyFitch · 2014-12-10T17:12:35+00:00

IMO, swalling RP doesn't necessarily preclude you from having meaningful relationships.

The thing is, when you relationship-up, you should not give up your whole being to be with her. You ought to continue pursuing your interests, as you did when you were single. Sometimes this means you can't make her family dinner because you have a hockey game.

I think you've actually been blessed with an opportunity here OP. You would have become resentful of these women for changing who you are, luckily they realized it before you did.

[deleted] · 2014-12-10T08:27:49+00:00

I go through from start to finish and see the gradual progression of myself from confident, cheeky and slightly arrogant to overbearing and uninteresting, and her interest in me slowly dwindles.

Guy who shares his feelings with women, is uninteresting. I think I finally understood why just now. Like a poker player who's revealed his hand early on, he's not keepin you on your toes.

Also, stop your imaginings of girls being perfect little angels. They're women, not angels. Women are happier when they're sluts anyway.

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Kerberos- · 2014-12-10T12:51:40+00:00

I think the most important change you can make is learning what types of emotion to show to her,more than anything that will save you from a lot of problems if you're trying to make a longer term relationship work.

And go read the LTR series by /u/occamsusername.

through_a_ways · 2014-12-10T08:55:38+00:00

I'd always assumed this sub was full of "ugly" guys who couldn't get girls trying to come up with ridiculous theories as to why girls don't go after them

There are some things that seem to be "inherently" appealing to women. Height, muscle tone, masculine facial structure.

But these things also receive the "preselection" treatment, just as anything else.

So while it's definitely true that women tend to have an "inherent" preference for tallness, it's also true that a lot of women who would otherwise be rather neutral toward this trait will prefer it not due to inherent preference, but due to observation of the preferences of other women.

SeekingTheWay · 2014-12-10T10:50:52+00:00

my story exactly

NevrEndr · 2014-12-10T14:35:33+00:00

I am married with a toddler and a 3 month old. My life sucked. Like reall sucked. I lost my identity. Dead bedroom. Kids a priority before me. Fuck, the dog was a bigger priority.

I swallowed the RP on Monday because fuck everything. I'm BACK. This week sex has been on my terms and she's a good little sub. Her shit tests are obvious and failing due to AA. I feel like a king. I'm still in hard mode but at least I've taken back control of my life. Damn it feels good.

paranoidsteak · 2014-12-10T13:06:19+00:00

tldr; they only like the idea of you (at the start)

mykonos_rm · 2014-12-10T09:58:41+00:00

The guys you described with low self-esteem that bitch about not pulling women and grovel over the fact are still BPers with an awful sense of entitlement. Eventually, they either have a sudden epiphany (like yours) that leads them down the TRP, or they grow more resentful and lash out against masculinity in typical SJW fashion. Worst case scenario they end up like that kid in California that shot up a bunch of a people. What's-his-face is the complete antithesis of TRP.

sweetleef · 2014-12-10T14:29:48+00:00

Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen.

lelpd · 2014-12-10T16:05:46+00:00

I lose those traits because I want to start "being nice" to them, in reality they don't want this "nice guy", they want the cheeky, cocky guy who's fun to be around, makes them feel they must have done amazingly to attain/keep around and makes them proud other women can't have him because of her.

The issue isn't being nice.

It's forgetting that the most important thing that you can do is be high value and act accordingly. The expectation that the women in your life meet a certain standard that you set and the willingness to cut them out if they don't meet it.

Give value to those who deserve it.

Moolg86 · 2014-12-10T17:45:23+00:00

you can do anything to women except bore them.

the_red_scimitar · 2014-12-10T21:10:06+00:00

I'm willing to bet almost everybody here basically was a confirmed beta, against many of the RP ideas, and then had an eye opening and usually painful experience that showed key ideas were correct.

[deleted] · 2014-12-10T13:41:27+00:00

It's interesting that you saved her texts and had a chance to go back and analyze them. When a relationship ends I immediately delete her messages and throw all her crap away.

I see how messages can be a timeline for a relationship. By pinpointing the time when the messaging turned south, I can figure out what went wrong with the relationship and try not to make the same mistakes in the future. In your case you should have held frame and spinned her as a plate.

Red_Invictus · 2014-12-10T15:40:16+00:00

@ OP - the best lessons in life are the ones we're forced to learn. Don't forget it, harsh truth it might be, you were just finally ready to fully swallow the pill - looking back on yourself and seeing your two sides in a more rational perspective.

winnnnnnnnn · 2014-12-10T23:06:48+00:00

Squeal, cringe, etc.. etc... I know this is exactly what happened to me in the relationship that led me here. I remember a majority of the cringe worthy beta text all to vividly but for exactly that reason. I'd be embarrassed if anyone else were to read them allowed. Of course when things started to go south I just start deleting her convo's and text out of my phone but I now I'm curious as to the type of alpha frame I was running before it all went south. I still remember bits and pieces of that as well but It would be dope to examine the time line in hindsight.

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Dev_on · 2014-12-10T16:35:44+00:00

I wouldn't say objectively correct. Can't really have that.

More of a 'best practices' thing

Hokuto199x · 2014-12-10T17:00:27+00:00

One of my best friends is EXACTLY like you. When he's single women can't get enough of him. He's over 6 feet, decent looking, good at guy stuff, and makes pretty decent money. As soon as he gets the ONEITIS he starts to bend over backwards to please the woman. He calls them "cutie" or "honey" or whatever, and always rearranges everything in his life to work around what the woman wants. They end up resenting him and eventually leaving. However this usually takes awhile and they will sometimes try to downgrade him to an orbiter since he is INCREDIBLY useful to have around and never realizes when he's being used.

hollowcrown51 · 2014-12-10T17:01:08+00:00

This is eerily uncanny for me. I'm recently out of a 2 year relationship and went back and compared early texts from where she was crazy over me to later texts from when the relationship was basically dying.

Early texts were me basically acting like a smug cocky dick. They were one sentence texts. I'd take ages to replace, and often they'd just be straight up flirty or extremely direct sexting. In the early days of us seeing each other, I'd talk with (but not flirt with) other girls, wouldn't see her every day, and took hours to reply.

In the final days of the relationship we were seeing each other every day, I would drop anything to see her, wait up all night to make her food at ridiculous hours and basically. Our texts were either her moaning at me and feeling sorry for herself in extremely long ways and my extremely long winded replies.

My confidence and assertiveness was gone. There wasn't any excitement any more. It sucked really and was a very dismal time. So basically yeah, relationships change you, I need to get back to my old self as soon as I can.

yummyluckycharms · 2014-12-10T18:48:10+00:00

I'd always assumed this sub was full of "ugly" guys who couldn't get girls trying to come up with ridiculous theories as to why girls don't go after them and the only girls they're successful with are either ugly girls or girls with low self-esteem.

I never understand where this idea comes from unless its from blue balled losers from blue/purple pill reddits trying to explain why they suck. How many of the threads complain about not people about to get any plates? Most are in fact about what to do with a plate and about self improvement. that suggests that they've got something going for them - whether that be looks or status or both.

Masonjarteadrinker2 · 2014-12-10T19:40:05+00:00

Been there done that brotha, stay up playboy.

OFF_THE_DEEP_END · 2014-12-10T21:22:29+00:00

I've gone the same path. It sucks. And your conclusion is spot on. Be yourself, and if she's really into you she'll love you for who you are, not for something superficial. When the reciprocation and respect stops, just move on and to the next!

IanIronwood · 2014-12-10T21:40:03+00:00

You're good at Basic Game. You need Advanced Game. Not for the feint of heart, nor is everyone cut out for it.

[deleted] · 2014-12-11T16:57:19+00:00

Are we the same person?

Because I think we're the same person.

ScumbagBillionaire · 2014-12-12T04:42:08+00:00

The truth doesn't give a fuck if you believe in it or not.

That's the best thing about redpill. No matter how much blue pillers deny it, the truth will continue to fuck them whether they acknowledge it or not.

erniesmoove · 2014-12-12T13:51:01+00:00

the realization of where you fucked up is eye opening, but why not go back to red pill acting once you realized you where going the wrong way?

i did the same thing when she dumped me, went no contact explaining that i had feelings to deal with. i was an emotional turmoil. no red pill to swallow then.

redpilltom · 2014-12-11T01:32:17+00:00

See that's the thing. You "acted" like you took the red pill, but that wasn't actually who you were. On the inside you were a beta. That is precisely why women shit test not only at the beginning, but all through a relationship.

garlicextract · 2014-12-10T07:06:17+00:00

I'm tall, in pretty good shape and above average looks-wise, I'd always assumed this sub was full of "ugly" guys who couldn't get girls trying to come up with ridiculous theories as to why girls don't go after them and the only girls they're successful with are either ugly girls or girls with low self-esteem.

Lol so you were tall and not bad looking and so dismissed the problems of shorter, less attractive guys.

That's being a pretentious asshole.

Redpillc0re · 2014-12-10T21:15:06+00:00

It would be interesting to enumerate the reasons why you "wanted to hate" the red pill

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