(Warning, lots of reading for you lazy folks)

Trap_City_Bitch (Lol) was gilded and put on bestof for once again strawmanning TRP. The comedy here comes from the fact that he is on the bodybuilding subreddit, and thus probably gets more attention from women than the average redditor.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/76ddyh/whats_wrong_with_the_red_pill_an_eloquent_response/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=bestof

Absolutely beautiful. Now what I want to do here is contrast this post with the last one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/75l95l/rbestof_advice_for_women_to_ask_a_man_out/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=user&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage

and as I noted, we can understand reddit's population as the following: "its majority of users being straight white male American liberal nerds." Safe to say, they also tend to have low Testosterone.

Look what happens: the good, dutiful redditors who showed an understanding of TRP concepts and basically agreed with them when the jargon wasn't used, are now totally against the evil my-soggy-knee club. Let's take a look!

Misogynistic beliefs rooted in archaic bigoted power dynamics.

what a mouthful! No, men don't hate women; in fact, men have a positive out-group bias towards women around the world. And TRP is based on ancient knowledge and literature from around the world that was common sense even 60 years ago. The only thing that has really changed is technology.

The tenets of TRP seem to be trying to maintain societal gender control out of fear that they will be treated the way men have historically treated women.

Swing and a miss. No, TRP men are just trying to succeed in a confusing dating world. And once again, Gender is a societal APPLICATION of biological sex. Aside from genetic defects, there are only 2 sexes, so there are only 2 genders, which are flexible based on the needs of the society. TRP men are not trying to control society, only themselves.

Red Pill ideologies blatantly hate women and perceive them as enemy rather than partner.

Nope. TRP men hate the lies we are told about women, but we accept that women need all the tools at their disposal. We still like them and want them, but recognize that we need to improve ourselves to have a chance. The TRP subreddit is a home for men who are just waking up and taking the red pill of reality, so some bitterness is to be expected.

Ideologies that pretend they try to detach from "man's obsession with women," while constantly obsessing about women.

lolnope. "The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men." It is not about detachment at all, but about obtaining our goals.

Red Pillers also have an insecure hatred of "alpha males" and attempt to emulate them.

no, it is a natural jealousy towards those who are more successful than ourselves. This happens in every field, and it is natural to try to emulate those who are successful.

So now we have an unhealthy obsession with projecting in a pseudo-masculine way that tries to adhere to some stereotypical hierarchical category of gender roles.

Sounds like a long way to denigrate being masculine.

On top of that, TRP does not actually tackle or try to improve men's issues.

We don't care about men's issues on a wider scale, we are not mensrights. The constant attempts to confuse these two communities is telling.

The crux of Red Pill is faux-macho trophy hunting. That doesn't improve longtime men's issues of: men feeling they should withhold emotion (TRP stance is don't be emotional; be alpha and macho), or that a man's self worth is based around his penis (get laid in loveless sex or you're a loser).

absolutely wrong. Stoicism is always valued in men in virtually every society. Most importantly, TRP does not care what your goals are. If you are trying for an LTR or marriage TRP knowledge will help with that too, because it is based on understanding the differences between men and women. TRP understands that the dating game has changed, and that a man's thirst is often used against him. So it suggests some loveless sex as a starting point to gain some confidence for those men that need it.

Red Pill suggests that men should become more detached from compassion and introvert themselves further into these self-destructive tendancies.

lol at compassion. This is what those low T redditors just lap up every time. Part of TRP is recognizing the painful truth that this is a dog eat dog world, instead of pushing the delusion of some rainbows and unicorns paradise. Plus, TRP includes self improvement resources for those that are ready.

Red Pill concepts often encourage dangerous behaviour -- mentally or physically. It's not just a gender issue (it mostly is) because treating anyone (regardless of age or gender) the way they suggest women or 'BETA males' be treated makes someone a selfish, unempathetic asshole.

boo fucking hoo. Men are angry, and the stages of TRP account for that anger. The 5 stages should be required reading for anyone commenting on TRP concepts, including the lovely folks at PPD.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/33dfii/the_five_stages_of_red_pill_and_how_to_read_rtrp/?utm_term=ef56e99c-26a0-4b91-b096-147ced767a50&utm_medium=search&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=TheRedPill&utm_content=8

More confidence, more social perspective, workout, more care for the hair/fashion/body, these are all pretty simple and obvious strategies. They work and there are a lot of ways to achieve them. Mistakenly and unfortunately, if those strategies start working, they might think other tactics (in short, being a selfish, rude, manipulative person) will work too.

this gets thrown around a lot, and it is a pathetic attempt at saying that TRP is just self improvement + my-soggy-knee. Remember that in many cases it is TRP that sparks the process of improvement in the first place, because men need to know that they have been working under a false knowledge base. They need to know that they were lied to.

Ironically, Red Pill pick up advice which can be shortened to: 'pretend to be interested and pursue them, but give up if they aren't interested in you' is actually pretty good advice. Actually, that's almost incredible advice. They're encouraging guys to talkto women, get to know them and try to socialise and work towards a date or hookup. But if they aren't interested, don't overstay and harass them like a desperate creep; move on.

Wow! Agreement that abundance mentality works wonders! How nice! I wonder what comes next...

Unfortunately these 'strategies' are under the guise of women being puzzles and prizes to dismantle while abstaining from an actual emotional or romantic connection.

There it is. Yes, many men have been taught to take women at their word, and have suffered because of the confusing dating dynamics. So of course it is a puzzle. And the prize is part of the male biology! We are wired to want to have sex with women, so attempting to shame men for this is just dumb. Finally, an emotional connection is unlikely to encourage sex in many cases, while the romantic connection comes after sex.

What is wrong with the idea of self-betterment? Nothing. Attempting to look good, feel good and be good is great. Putting effort and getting better at socialising and flowing conversation is important. But Red Pill doesn't encourage self-improvement of men as much as it encourages the deconstruction and demoralisation of women, and also those who they perceive to be "lesser" men.

No, TRP is not trying to deconstruct and demoralize women, that is a postmodern feminist tactic with its constant references to "toxic masculinity" (basically all masculinity). We are just trying to remove the lies we have been told and get a better understanding of reality. Men on TRP are reminded of their past beta ways again and again, and these only help push improvement through the stages.

It aims to purport male dominion within its own gender and also over women.

that is basic biology in all tournament species.

The benefits of the above improvements are secondary side effects to the initial primary, more malicious tactics of being socially/emotionally disengaged from women, and from being deeply seated in self-loathing towards your own male gender.

again, wrong. TRP attempts to engage socially with women, not disengage. The men who come to TRP are already disengaged. And no, we don't loathe betas for their "gender," we pity them as the cannon fodder they are. Again, this type of cartoonish strawman is literally gold to the average redditor, who needs desperately to be told how good they are for not being part of that evil my-soggy-knee club.

That doesn't help either gender on a larger or smaller scale. The Red Pill is so anti-humanitarian (mostly anti-women but also anti-men) that it is actually a great example for why feminism benefits men.

LOL!

And finally we get to the crux. Here we have a bodybuilder telling nerdy low T redditors how much they need feminism.

Among other things, one big part of what feminism does for society is to try and achieve the opposite of what Red Pill wants to regress to preserve: loosen the shackles on the state of men being emotionally crippled, insecure, gendered infighting people who have been sized down to to sexual success. Feminism benefits men by trying to break down the stereotypical gender roles on both sides so men don't feel the need to be "alpha" like some poorly-written high school jock in a teen movie.

except feminism does nothing of the sort. Instead it HEAVILY rewards men who adhere the most to masculine ideals, while preying on weak nerdy men using that exact pitch. This makes perfect sense since feminism is centered around equality FOR WOMEN, and thus rewards what women are naturally attracted to.

The religion of feminism seeks social, economic, and legal equality with men, but this is impossible because business, law, and society is made up of humans who understand basic sex differences. So it just promises a future heavenly utopia at a later date, while constantly using "corrective discrimination" against men. This leads them to places like TRP.

Sexually insecure people flock to red pill as a last resort

absolutely true, a healthy person does not need medicine.

and get preyed on by other insecure people and tricked into thinking that if they awkwardly pretend to be a woman-hating, self-absorbed prick then magically their insecurities will disappear

No, they learn basic differences between men and women that feminism would rather ignore or minimize. This helps them start the path to self improvement and reach their romantic/sexual goals.

but instead they have a scapegoat (i.e. women) to direct their misguided (self) hate towards, and a scapegoat (i.e. "BETA men") to try and belittle and disregard as failures in order to prop themselves up by doing nothing other than lowering the standards.

No, men who just start on TRP still have a hatred for women that they had before they joined, and over time they go through the stages and end up accepting the differences. And they look at betas as a past self that needed to die in order to become better. There is no scapegoat, men have simply been swindled by lies about women that women employ and betas regurgitate.

Wow! that was really long. Ok, now for a review. I'll try to avoid the common stuff like "trp is a cult" (no, it is just info and does not want anything from its readers), or "trp is just self improvement plus my-soggy-knee!" (no, waking up to the social lies is what sparks growth).

This bodybuilder is providing great advertising with his obvious strawman of TRP, and has clearly never spent more than a few seconds perusing the front page of angry bitterness. This is all that redditors really want, since they are the typical "niceguy" beta that needs constant reassurance of their good boy status.

Check out the immediate response to the bodybuilder, which points out how feminists still measure men by their sexual prowess and use virgin as an insult. This clearly undermines their pitch to low T men. On top of this, many powerful "male feminists" are abusers of women, showing that it is once again a sexual strategy.

Some of the other responses in the thread are interesting, from pushing feminist social justice dogma, to saying crap like "just be a good person," to even pacjax calling out the strawman.

Finally, we get to the bestof comments, where the real gold is. The first comment just quotes the original post, and says "Holy shit this is so well stated." No thought, no input, just nodding in agreement. What a good little redditor!

Other posts compare TRP to conspiracy theorists, or say that Rollo is married, comparing mensrights and menslib (thankfully, menslib is called out for being too feminist), and one post that says TRP is great for getting laid and nothing else.

MeatTheBeatles then tries to again start up the point that feminism helps men, and this gets quickly shot down by replies that women's attraction is biological and consistent. This part is again incredibly interesting because it shows that TRP lingo is unacceptable, but its basic understanding of biology is valid.

I find the whole thing fascinating, especially how redditors jump for that pat on the head. Ironically, their cycle of spineless cowardice can be broken the moment they realize that they were hoodwinked. But as usual, they cling to that blue pill of denial.

For anyone reading this, I would ask you the basic question: Do you believe that men and women are different? If you do and you can follow the logic of how pregnancy and testosterone affect behavior, then you are already 50% Red.

TL;DR: bodybuilder tells reddit that men need feminism instead of TRP, a few comments disagree based on women's attraction.

PPD, START YOUR ENGINES!