How do sex/relationships work at our society's ELITE levels? (This stuff confuses me.)

TheBlackQuill · 2017-09-14T08:42:06+00:00

Imo, for umc and above, most men who want an ltr would look for women within the same social class. They also take her family background/education/career into consideration.

Pope_Lucious · 2017-09-14T08:19:37+00:00

lol I love your posts. You're like all the caffeine in the world solidified into human form.

That post you linked to was really interesting. At the top, I imagine a man can have anything in terms of a SMV partner. Plenty of dimes are willing to monetize their sexuality. But as the post said- human connection becomes more difficult at the top levels.

a1988eli · 2017-09-14T18:39:56+00:00

Hi. It was my post you are commenting on.

I meant smart women. Very smart women who probably (definitely) match or exceed the IQ of the successful guy they are dating)

Answering your questions:

This is not a fantasy. When you hit the $100m-$1B net worth, you are among the smallest of small percentages. Many things in your life are statistical outliers. This too. Now..you have to have SOME social skills, and most self-made men have enormous skills. If you have very low social skills, these opportunities lessen.
You are thinking like a man. Stop thinking about the guys' looks. One thing money can do is take ALL stress out of your life. And ask any woman how sexy that is (VERY). Also, these men have great stories, intriguing friends who are making headlines in their industries and/or in the news and have traveled the world. The parties are exquisite, its easy to get used to being waited on hand and foot, and there is an allure to having a very powerful person focus so much attention on you. The luxurious trappings like large yachts and private jets are also easy to get used to. And the guys are INTERESTING. This is less about the sex and more about how the man can make her feel overall (and...frankly...lots of poor guys are shitty lovers, so...)
See above. Women are a lot less superficial than men. Don't focus on the looks. Focus on how fun and stress free the life can be. That's very sexy.
For the record, I know many women in the modeling industry and there are a good number of really smart, entrepreneurial and ambitious women. There are dumb ones, but those two groups rarely socialize. Many have very good college degrees, some are from rich-ish families themselves so they have aesthetic sense, and lots social graces, and most have EXCEPTIONAL emotional intelligence. I have seen many of these women become their rich husband's #1 consultant on the psychological side of their business transactions. These women know how to read a room like a senior diplomat would. Scarily insightful. They are not escorts by any means. They are fun and smart women who happen to be gorgeous. So they get invites as party favors at first, and they stay because they can hold their own (or-fr the stupid ones...because they will sleep with any guy with money...but these are not normally invited back) Remember, the wives of the other rich men at these aprties act kind of as gate keepers.

5.If you knew a smart beautiful woman and were invited to a rich friend's party, wouldn't you bring her? Bumps up your status too. You will get another invite because everyone likes her. That, times every day.

There are so many types. The Emmy's post parties this weekend, for instance. Or at a Polo match. Or at the Met Gala in NY. Those are the glamorous ones. But also just dinner parties at their homes (I have been at dinner parties where the table seats 16 and looks like a state dinner, so dinner party looks a bit different than you think)
These guys don't think they are unattractive. I'm telling you, have ultra hot women tell you what an attractive man you are for 20-30 years, its hard not to believe em. Trump is case in point. Ugly, fat and nasty, but thinks he is George Clooney. As for the women...give them an elegant evening with great clothes, a doting man...a little champagne, 15000 thread sheets (lol) and who wouldn't want a kiss? It's just human nature. Not very awkward.

Out of time...will try to finish later

pinkgoldrose · 2017-09-14T12:26:07+00:00

These questions are way too precise, we'd need to literally be one of these people to know the answer, but here's my take on it:

A man with 100 million dollars can easily find hot women to sleep with him because someone takes care of filling these parties with enough hot models.

What's in it for the woman is the experience. It doesn't matter if you're ugly, if you can show a woman a good time, she's more likely to get in the mood, and if you have unlimited funds, it's easier to give her a good time. Even if she doesn't get money out of the one night stand, she gets an experience.

Finally, that Israeli dude is hot. He's got the body shape.

DashneDK2 · 2017-09-14T08:59:33+00:00

1: Is this quote just fantasy? It seems TGTBT, even for someone worth $100M.

Yes. By all the accounts I have seen there are always a ton of beautiful women around the very rich men. As personal managers, secretaries, in all kinds of positions.

2: What exactly do these "[u]ltra-hot, world class, smart women" get from having sex with someone worth $100M? What perks do the women get exactly? I don't understand the transaction. The quote doesn't say that they're elite escorts or anything like that. It says that "[p]ower and money are an aphrodisiac and you have it in spades"; does that mean that these women actually enjoy the sex?

They won't have problem finding beautiful and willing women to have sex with them, but I'd guess they often resort to prostitutes just to escape all the potential drama and people talking to the press and etc.

10: How do things really work behind the curtain regarding movie-stars, celebrities, and so on? What are there lives really like behind the media-presentation, the talk shows, and all that highly-calculated stuff? (Or at least I think it's all calculated smoke-and-mirrors, but I guess there's no way to know for sure.)

I think many long for a normal life. Real friendship, a real relationship, being able to go to the 7-11 without an army of photographers.

14: Do super-rich businesspeople also get their people to call up these models' agents or something to arrange meetings, invite them to private parties on their yachts, or something like that? I know I already asked about businessmen above, but I'm curious about how the logistical "system" works in the case of businessmen as well.

A Pussy Coordinator. In any case, I think the models do most of the work themselves, the super-rich don't have to do much themselves.

16: Why exactly do supermodels line up to bang/date Leo?

Who else are they going to bang? If you're a supermodel there are very few people in the world which wouldn't feel like you're going below your level. Hollywood celebrities, sports stars, billionaires. There are tons of beautiful women, very few Hollywood celebrities, etc.

JustRuss79 · 2017-09-14T14:00:54+00:00

Typical Red Pill / Seduction saying is, "Women don't want to BE the adventure, they want to GO on an adventure."

Going to a fancy party, being treated to all sorts of perks of being ear a rich guy. Even if you don't land him long term being CLOSE to "royalty" is enough of an adventure to be a turn on, even if the physical attractiveness quotient is way off.

Stock these parties with hot women and the chances of the below average millionaire getting laid go up a lot. The women are their for an adventure; the experience/memory is worth more than the physical attractiveness.

philomexa · 2017-09-14T13:12:39+00:00

You do know that anne Hathaway and bar Rafaeli are super rich themselves?

Why do men date uber successful women?

Why do attractive people date each other?

Why do rich people date each other?

Why do rich attractive people date each other?

Lastly, why do you care so much about lifestyles of the rich and famous? There are plenty of nice girls around you that you can interact with and learn from.

Actual people are much more interesting than people who have no bearing on your life.

GinSmokeLies · 2017-09-14T20:11:00+00:00

Are celebrity LTRs/marriages just PR-presentations? Are they actually open LTRs/marriages behind the scenes? How does that all work?

This is the only part of this OP that really interested me so it's the only q I'm going to attempt to weigh in on.

So, I took an interest in celebrity PR relationships because I'm a big Taylor Swift fan and I'm kind of fascinated with her as a celebrity. A lot of her relationships are rumored to be fake/PR (I don't think all of them are -- she's currently dating some British actor and has gone to great lengths not to be seen/photographed with him, which wouldn't make sense if it was a PR relationship.) Taylor has a habit of rebranding herself for every album she releases, and her brand has always been closely tied with the men she dates. She wants to break out of country and into the pop world? She "dates" popstar Joe Jonas. She wants to be seen as a grownup with a little bit of edge? She "dates" John Mayer. She wants to start dabbling in electronic music? She "dates" Calvin Harris. (Worth noting that in the last two instances, she wrote/recorded songs with them, which IMO makes it easy to believe these relationships existed largely for promotional purposes, and both parties benefited a great deal.)

Taylor is known to have a good relationship with the paparazzi in New York and LA. She tells them where she's going to be and when, and they show up to take pictures. In return, when she wants to be left alone, they respect that. With this kind of relationship with the media, it's easy to fabricate romantic relationships that are believable to the public eye.

Which lends credence to one theory I've read, which is that many celebs have these very public faux-relationships as a cover for their private relationships. With Taylor in particular, there have been rumors for years that she's gay or bisexual and has dated women behind the scenes, and her famous boyfriends are beards. (There are similar rumors about many male celebrities.)

You have to remember that what we see as a celebrity's life is actually a very very small sliver of who they really are and what their lives are really like, and almost everything we see is filtered and fabricated to an extent.

darla10 · 2017-09-14T14:18:43+00:00

I dated an 'almost billionaire' 8 years ago, after my marriage ended. He flew me all over the world, we attended elite parties, met famous people, had a ball. But it all felt very curated, like living in a non-stop instagram feed. I can attest to the lack of connection. I ended it partly because of the way he treated service people (rudely) and because I was not very sexually attracted to him. He used to say, "You are so different from all those 25 year olds. You are so real". That left me feeling hollow somehow.....seemed like he was searching for meaning in his life and I was to provide it. If I'm completely honest, I'd have to admit I derived pleasure from that power. He's smart so he saw that. If we connected at all, it was in that shared knowledge (or mutual commiseration). Sex (for him) was apparently amazing. I don't think many of those 25 year olds knew how to do the psychological game at that level. I truly DNGAF. All in all, it was an exhausting relationship. I'm glad I got over that phase.

ClarityofDisaster · 2017-09-14T08:00:00+00:00

Why wouldn't it work exactly the same as for the 99%? Women bang hot men, because they are attracted to them. That's the "transaction".

[deleted] · 2017-09-14T14:52:16+00:00

It has to do with status, they are extracting status. People often think that simply by being associated with someone successful they will get a boost out of it. There is some truth to it, but as a rule everything has to do with your own competence as a person first. Any opportunity an intelligent person can give you can only match your own competence. I think I have a pretty good amount of experience to answer your question because two closest friends are both in the 100M+ net range.

1: Is this quote just fantasy? It seems TGTBT, even for someone worth $100M. I read the post most of it does not seem too ridiculous. I think it's a concise surface evaluation of how quickly society separates into different social classes. Like attracts like after all.

2: What exactly do these "[u]ltra-hot, world class, smart women" get from having sex with someone worth $100M? What perks do the women get exactly? I don't understand the transaction. The quote doesn't say that they're elite escorts or anything like that. It says that "[p]ower and money are an aphrodisiac and you have it in spades"; does that mean that these women actually enjoy the sex?

It isn't about sex for the person who is on the receiving end of social status. Their benefit is how they feel about themselves, these people are often times trying to extract status from someone because they believe it will boost theirs simply by being associated with them. There is some truth to it, but you still have to know what to do with those opportunities. I would like to add, more often than not a competent person can realize you ain't shit on your own, and no matter how many times you tell them that you know so and so they still won't respect you. You can watch this phenomenon unfold as a spoiled teenager interacts with a cop, a public servant, or a waiter - anyone they deem lower than their social standing albeit they are just a high-school student. I have seen this happen way too often in highschool, but these kids simply cannot pull as much weight as their parents, at least not yet.

3: What if you're average-looking? What if you're worse than average-looking? Is the quote still accurate in that case? Why would women sleep with unattractive high-net-worth men?

Once again it's not just about sex, making it about sex with the hottest person possible is male brain thinking. I am conventionally a very good looking guy - tall, athletic build, dress well, and groom. However, when it comes to serious relationship I cannot compete with my best friends. I once sat at a dinner with my girlfriend at the time and out of nowhere her mother says: "why don't you just date his richer friend?" My own family says this to me because I can be careless in my relationships: "Aren't you worried you are going to lose her to your best friend?" Whatever I accomplish socially by wit, charm, and being attractive he can just throw money at and then some. Not everyone is like this, but you would be shocked to find out how many people really are whores for status because they believe someone else can give it to them. However the rule of my family growing up was that if anything is given it can be taken away, and if it can be taken away it's not truly yours.

4: Who exactly are all these "[u]ltra-hot, world class, smart women?" I understand the stereotypical gold-diggers, but they're not usually "smart," so I don't think that that's what the poster of the comment meant. She meant awesome "world class" women, not trashy gold-diggers. I imagine supermodels at these events, but they're not characteristically "smart," so I'm not sure who these mysterious elite women are.

I think it works in a similar way for women where successful women get a boost to their attractiveness. A woman who's a lawyer, but 32, is still very competitive against a 23 year old small time model. It's because attraction isn't simply your bone structure, social factors play a huge part into it. I wish more insecure people would understand this.

5: What exactly are these women doing at "[e]very event, most parties?" How do they end up at these parties? How do they get invited?

I had something like this happen once. I had a guy offer to take me out and pay for everything, hotel, all my drinks so long as I had brought my friends along. I would imagine that's part of how these guys will meet attractive women. I asked my friends and they said they didn't like the guy, so it didn't happen, guess you can't buy everything. My friend's strategy is just buy them drinks, not just buy her a drink, buy all of her friends drinks is very effective, people look at your different when you throw some money around.

6: What are these parties all about? Are these parties just a nexus of wealth/power/fame where wealthy businesspeople connect with other businesspeople, Hollywood movie-stars, supermodels, and so on? How exactly does this whole nexus/network work?

Never been to one like that, only ones I have been to have been centered around wine - people's collections and what they drank recently. But part of the conversation does drift to professional interests and business ideas.

Merger-Arbitrage · 2017-09-14T17:46:48+00:00

This comment was extremely interesting to me. It's a fascinating comment and it makes sense that it was gilded 10 times.

I just read that comment. Its a very limited perspective on what rich people are like. I don't personally know any billionaires, but people in the $5 million - 200 million bracket, I do know to some extent, as I work in the investment management field in Boston.

Let's just say, what was said in that comment doesn't apply to the majority of them. Part of that post was pure sensationalism. Like reality TV.

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GridReXX · 2017-09-14T17:46:21+00:00

You'd be surprised how many men's sexuality would be for sale if men were offered the money and experiences women were offered solely for our presence or the potential to fuck.

[deleted] · 2017-09-14T17:56:15+00:00

Money, looks, intelligence.... It's all hereditary. The ultra wealthy work together to make deals and investments, so they know each other across generations.

Rich people have smart, popular, good looking children who date other smart, popular good looking children in private schools with their peers.

It's not like there's a secret society of rich dudes and hot women that you can sign up for. This is just how society organized itself- it always has.

People move in and out of groups, of course. Let's say you're a former pageant girl turned reporter who gets gifted box seats to an NFL game. Well, you're there with other box holders, and you socialise and make friends. Then you marry into a wealthy family and have wealthy kids and restart the process.

You can also easily fall out of these circles by getting a reputation as a drunkard, racist, pervert, or business failure.

Also, when you're at a certain level of fame or success, everyone in the middle class just wants favors constantly and gets butthurt when you don't give them what they want. So you spend your money to buy privacy and exclusivity like private resorts, box seats, etc. You meet other ppl who do the same. There's a more resentment toward successful people than most realize, and admiration usually comes from above or beside you.

Source: I have an extensive marketing career and end up getting to experience pieces of the .1% semi regularly. I hope to be there soon, myself.

Example, there's a private LPGA event going on right now that I'm visiting and all the executives from sponsoring companies are there hanging out. It's 100% professional environment and people make acquaintances with other professionals. There's no paid models or any weird stuff like that.

Also, I'll add that both men and women find power and wealth extremely attractive, especially when you've tasted it. Everything in relationships is a compromise. So it all really boils down to personal preference. I can definitely say I date above my punching weight because I'm successful, and if I was in the top .1% I expect it would compound exponentially.

NewAcctEveryDamnDay · 2017-09-14T18:53:36+00:00

These women want the experience. It's that simple. Bragging rights for women to be fucked and tossed out and sent home to betas.

I've been to 3 NBA All-Star weekends. The way these average chixks act a lot of the time when they have an opportunity to land a discreet night at a super-Hotel makes their mouths water. Can't even say "hello" to these females.

[deleted] · 2017-09-14T16:48:01+00:00

Women are whores for status and money, always have been always will be; every woman with only exceptions to the extremely conservative.

TheBookOfSeil · 2017-09-14T15:18:55+00:00

1: Is this quote just fantasy? It seems TGTBT, even for someone worth $100M.

Who knows? I guess you'd have to go there to find out.

2: What exactly do these "[u]ltra-hot, world class, smart women" get from having sex with someone worth $100M?

More status, security and comfort, perhaps?

3: What if you're average-looking? What if you're worse than average-looking? Is the quote still accurate in that case? Why would women sleep with unattractive high-net-worth men?

I actually remember reading something about "ugly, yet wealthy" men more commonly being with attractive women. I can't remember where, or what the context was, but maybe it's their personality. Maybe it's the possibility that everyone is pursuing attractive men, and here is an ugly guy sitting on a mountain of wealth and success.

4: Who exactly are all these "[u]ltra-hot, world class, smart women?"

Maybe they're women born into high-class families that have been living the privileged life for so long that they've rarely ever socialized in a laid-back environment. "Old money" parties are waaaay different from "New money" parties.

8: Isn't it also awkward when supermodels/movie-stars LTR/marry wealthy businessmen? There's an obvious transactional aspect. (I guess there always is a "transactional" aspect in a relationship, so maybe I'm being obtuse.)

Yes, you are.

9: Do super-hot women cheat on their husbands in situations where they're with their husbands for any reason other than actual physical attraction?

Yes, I would imagine so.

10: How do things really work behind the curtain regarding movie-stars, celebrities, and so on?

Sometimes, it's an act, and sometimes it's real.

11: To what extent are all these celebrities banging one another incessantly behind closed doors in a kind of figurative orgy?

Probably more than the public knows.

12: Are celebrity LTRs/marriages just PR-presentations? Are they actually open LTRs/marriages behind the scenes? How does that all work?

They can be, yes. I'm sure you're familiar with hearing about celebrities breaking up and latching onto another soon after. All of the "secret weddings" and divorces a few months later.

13: How exactly does the whole "system" work regarding Leonardo DiCaprio? Apparently he has dated 100s of models. How do the logistics of this work? Does his agent just call up their agent and arrange for them to meet or something?

Rich people have access to each other. How often do you see celebrities hanging out with peasants/commoners? They have parties, or are invited to parties with other celebrities, who invite these models as guests. That's how everyone get's to know everyone else.

14: Do super-rich businesspeople also get their people to call up these models' agents or something to arrange meetings, invite them to private parties on their yachts, or something like that?

Not exactly. Sometimes they're talking business, and these other people happen to be there. They're all "in the business," so to speak, so celebrities and other well known people are, in a way, their own clique.

16: Why exactly do supermodels line up to bang/date Leo? What do they get out of it exactly?

More money. More status. More avenues and opportunities for expanding their careers. A model with the right connections can get into acting/singing/etc.

This stuff is fairly simple to understand, really.

PostNationalism · 2017-09-14T15:24:36+00:00

i saw an article that said the more money men have the more they demand beauty in their partners!! it must work somehow!

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-09-14T18:29:59+00:00

why are you asking a bunch of college kids and incels on reddit what the upper eschalons lives are like

GridReXX · 2017-09-14T20:50:48+00:00

I'm sure he did 😉

Mattcwu · 2017-09-14T21:57:53+00:00

I can't speak to ultra-rich parties. But, I do think women are more attracted by ideas than looks. Specifically, ideas around competence, danger, and power.

MagicGainbow · 2017-09-14T23:34:23+00:00

If the tv show billions is accurate, private casual sex apps that are invitation only/not advertised to the general public.

capitaliststooge · 2017-09-15T00:42:22+00:00

Your post is so cluttered and disheveled, the ideas so packed together tightly and yet still shallow, and still has not even the slightest gleam of anything insightful within it.

That's impressive.

Debra_Lou · 2017-09-15T11:27:22+00:00

Don't worry about it, it's not something you'll ever see anyway, much less experience. In your situation, I'd try to concentrate finding a nice girl around your level (keep your expectations in check) and not worry what some mega rich guy in some private party with models do or how they met people.

sunkindonut149 · 2017-09-15T20:47:47+00:00

I don't agree with the post that you linked. There is a large population of kids here who grow up financially independent. They live in cities like Williamsburg and the Hudson Valley.

They still work. It's just that their job is trying to be a vegan activist or whatever and showing off how organic their food is.

The way that I met these people was through internet forums and the music scene.

For real rich people, the Trump shtick is actually cringeworthy. Paying for their kid to hangout at a LARC for 10 years to study Algonquian basket weaving is the real status symbol.

They travel to Uzbekistan because Chiang Mai has too many expats.

The flashy "Arab Money" shtick is considered fucked up and prole to people who are actually upper class.

throwaway-aye-rye · 2017-09-16T04:28:08+00:00

My god that's an awfully long post. I have some expertise in this area, having met CEOs and kids of CEOs, but honestly who really knows what they think.

Probably not. Like breeds like. You have people making lots of money with the ambition to make their name go down in history or make more money. If you are a girl with the same ambitions, you know where to go and probably have the same type of personality. Lots of perfectionists and workaholics.
Because they can't form a relationship with anything less. You know how it's hard to be friends with someone who just plain has less than you? That. Takes two people to tango.
I don't know. I think transactional relationships exist though.
Harvard graduate, who is naturally beautiful and has enough money to look like a model, in or on target to a management position at a Fortune 500. That's not uncommon around my area. We're talking about like 0.0001% of the population here, so you can dream big.
Connections. Also you have to fit in.
I don't know, I don't party. It probably depends on how loaded you are and what field you're in.
No, both people know what they're getting into. The nice thing about never trusting someone else if that your communication skills and ability to read people get a lot better.
They know what they're getting into.
I don't know, but there are probably fewer extremely rich people than there are "world class women." Also, depending on how powerful or insider the women is, she might not be able to do anything that would risk poisoning her reputation in the network or bad pub for company.
I can't speak for the entertainment industry, but there are some companies that help you advertise. You pay them money. They have analysts that study channels and behavior to maximize positive audiences. Sometimes you know a friend who does articles. Sometimes you can write up a thing that news websites will run. Or you pay them, depending on how legit they are.
Depends on what field and how much you make.
Depends on what field and how much you make and what you control.
Who knows? Not my field.
Most likely.
Don't know, not my field.
Are world class women really banging Leonardo D. Caprio? Isn't it just some actresses?
Look, like finds like. If you are an actress, and making a lot of money or want to make a lot of money, you do a guy who is an actor and is also ambitious because your social circle doesn't extend to "normal people." Also if you're really passionate about making it big it's a way to network which can potentially lead to new gigs. Plus status, I guess. It's not awkward or anything, it's just honesty. It's different for other fields, though.

DebatePony · 2017-09-14T13:37:03+00:00

I had an ex brother in law who thought the same things and was dumb enough to say all these things (and more) to my husband (a man who married his middle school sweetheart) when they got drunk together. Needless to say, his relationship with my sister is ending because she caught him cheating more than once. He wasn't smart enough to know that his phone had its location on and was also linked to one of the kids ipads. She got all the information you would ever need and requested a fault divorce. It been granted and he's losing everything.

So sure, if you live at that level there will be women who throw themselves at you, but it's not going to end well if your wife is smarter than you and find out.

Title	How do sex/relationships work at our society's ELITE levels? (This stuff confuses me.)
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