Do you believe in the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-06-20T00:55:31+00:00

I believe in equality under the law as can be best managed. Nothing more, nothing less.

drok007 · 2017-06-20T00:42:51+00:00

No, because equality is a spook.

Most people pay lip service to equality, but are also retarded.

Love8Death · 2017-06-20T00:53:16+00:00

Politically? Nope, men care more about politics in general, society at large, issues beyond female oriented civil rights, issues beyond environmentalism, helping the poor where it helps women or children especially. Few women seem to.

Economically, again no, women have a pretty good range of professions they avoid because of physical and/or mental weakness, like dangerous, dirty, traumatic professions. Women are also seemingly less willing to do what it takes to be at the top, especially in regards to sacrificing their children.

Social equality is impossible, women treat men differently regardless of if men treat women like men or women like women, because to not do so gives up opportunity for advantage and exploitation.

I will believe it when women can walk the walk. They asked to be held to my standard, and then cry when they cannot.

If women want to be men's equals, you better start roiding up.

ee4m · 2017-06-20T01:07:16+00:00

Most women won't want to be equalized with men on social, healthcare and education spending, work hours or risk. Or parenting rights, or reproductive rights.

Feminist women won't even let men in dv shelters or publish any information on womens abuse, denying or playing it down when challenged.

Im sure there are other examples of women blocking equality ...

IIHotelYorba · 2017-06-20T02:33:53+00:00

If you mean legal equality or equality of opportunity, then yes. If you mean literal equity, absolutely not and I believe the idea is pure poison, the Harrison Bergeron situation right wingers have always been afraid of.

We already have more than equality for women, we have clear preferential treatment. Feminism is the hateful conspiracy theory that women's choices have somehow been forced on them by men as some sort of ploy. Their poor career choices are really "the wage gap," them wearing bikinis is really a culture that objectifies women, etc.

The only reason most normal people call themselves feminists is they think it means, "no I don't think women should be hit in the head with a rock" or "yes women should be able to vote." They have no idea about the truly insane bile feminists openly support and teach in schools worldwide.

cxj · 2017-06-20T03:48:16+00:00

Women should have equal legal rights to men, not be prevented from things because they are women (except maybe infantry), but should not receive special treatment or advantages either.

[deleted] · 2017-06-20T00:59:04+00:00

That's an odd way to phrase that question. As though it's something to be "believed in" like Santa Claus.

Do I support it? Yes, as a general concept. I reserve the right to not support particular ways of enforcing equality. I am not particularly keen on affirmative action. I believe women have every right to strive for high political/economic positions if they so choose, but they need to get there on their own merit.

I believe that men and women are of equal value, but they are not the same. Blank slate-ism is garbage.

Pope_Lucious · 2017-06-20T01:51:51+00:00

Equality is a loaded term. For example equality of outcome often comes at the expense of equality of opportunity.

I'm glad you quoted that study on feminism. It shows quite clearly most people don't believe the dictionary definition of feminism = feminism in reality.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-06-20T04:02:25+00:00

ClarityofDisaster · 2017-06-20T10:09:43+00:00

No, because the average man is currently oppressed more than the average woman in the Western world. Perhaps one day we'll have true equality...but not yet.

Electra_Cute · 2017-06-20T00:57:12+00:00

What do you mean by "equality"?

[deleted] · 2017-06-20T01:02:38+00:00

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2017-06-20T03:51:43+00:00

no because i like dating where men take charge. equality isn't sexy.

despisedlove2 · 2017-06-20T04:25:52+00:00

Not all men are equals in terms of ability. How are you going to extend that further?

Equal rights, yes. Equal outcomes, most definitely not.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2017-06-20T12:02:31+00:00

It's because feminism is advocacy for women. Not equality.

So favoring one usually means rejecting the other.

GridReXX · 2017-06-20T18:41:17+00:00

Equality in governance is all I ask.

And I think social fairness should be basic etiquette.

For example if a woman doesn't work but her SO pays for everything and funds her life and desires. To me, fairness dictates that she contribute something to the home - homemaker or something.

I think the same is true if the guy doesn't work. No one wants to come home from a long day of work and see the house is a mess , the kids aren't tended to, and their SO on the couch like a slob playing video games.

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2017-06-20T01:32:30+00:00

NOT AT ALL.

Biology always gets in the way, and it tends to be centered on pregnancy and testosterone. Men don't get pregnant, so the major obstacle to career growth does not affect them. Only about 5% of women in a given population have high enough testosterone to effectively compete with men, so this tends to be the cap in business and politics.

Politically, men are seen as better leaders due to basic features like height and deeper voices, but also other factors like speaking style and tribal language that encourages production. Women just can't compete, since aside from physical differences, all they can really offer is more herd language and equal distribution of resources. Female leaders historically tend to be either incredibly violent to establish dominance or heavily disruptive to a society in other ways.

Both men and women with no children tend to heavily endanger the future of the people they represent due to a lack of personal investment in later generations, but women are naturally much more connected to pregnancy and childbirth. Therefore a childless woman is an extremely dangerous ideologue, and people know this instinctively. To be successful in politics, a woman NEEDS to have kids, as they are her greatest asset.

Economic equality is another absolute impossibility due to the nature of jobs and biology. Feminists absolutely know this, which is why they are not encouraging women to go into the trades or do dangerous or disgusting work. Women also value work-life balance far more than men, because their identity is not tied to their jobs. They have different interests and study different things. Women tend to be best suited in people jobs, like HR, PR, nursing, and teaching. Thus there will NEVER be actual equality on an economic level, since women are simply not doing the jobs that men do, and never will.

Finally, social equality is also physically impossible because we treat people differently based on sex. Women are physically weaker, speak differently, are risk averse, and are valued for reproduction. True Legal equality can never exist either, since law is made up of people who take biological sex into account.

Feminists intentionally promise unreachable goals in order to always have something to strive against and need funding for, in this case a "heavenly equal utopia" that we will never reach based on pure biology. Their cult like dogma cannot survive basic skepticism, you instead must have "faith" in "progress." It folds at the slightest provocation, in which case a person is considered to be demon possessed by the "Satanic Patriarchy" which is everywhere.

Temperfuelmma · 2017-06-20T04:20:57+00:00

No.

Men and women are different so treat them differently but equally.

midnightvulpine · 2017-06-20T10:23:58+00:00

I believe in equal opportunity and outcomes based on one's skill and talents. Which is more than we have now because inherent in actual equality of opportunity is a lack of social forces dissuading people from certain paths that are not seen as traditionally connected to their race, gender, sexual orientation, whatever.

I believe in that because why shouldn't everyone to be encouraged to attempt what they want to do in life? Everyone has dreams, everyone should be encouraged to follow them. But when it comes to a well run society, some tasks have requirements to be done well. Some dreams take hard work and that hard work should be a positive part of the journey.

OurThrownAwayDreams · 2017-06-20T16:19:45+00:00

equal oppurtunity, but no equal outcomes

rreliable · 2017-06-20T17:23:47+00:00

Do you believe in Motherhood, apple pie and the flag?

It's a ridiculously ambiguous question whose answer will vary massively depending on which of the many different senses of the words used are intended, and in which conversation.

At present, it's too ill defined to be worth anyone's time.

[deleted] · 2017-06-21T14:11:05+00:00

No, women are not responsible for their actions and should be held to a lower standard.

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[deleted] · 2017-06-20T00:46:23+00:00

I don't know, I am confused about my political beliefs.

What exactly do you mean by "economic and social equality" though?

[deleted] · 2017-06-20T00:53:22+00:00

I think most Western people believe in everyone getting to vote, everyone getting to own property if they can pay for it, and jobs going to the most qualified candidate regardless of gender.

I am not sure what you mean by "social equality."

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2017-06-20T03:35:00+00:00

Sure, tho my conceptualization is different than liberals.

purpleppp · 2017-06-20T03:57:58+00:00

Equality means different things to different people. I think men and women should be free (their rights aren't restricted because of their gender), and I don't care about outcome parity.

TheGreasyPole · 2017-06-20T07:33:40+00:00

Yes, as others have said I believe in equality before the law. But not that we are "the same".

So a woman should have every right to be, say, a computer programmer. But you shouldn't draw from the fact that 80% are men and 20% are women that they are not equal, only that they are not the same and it appears men are more interested in programming. Just as you shouldn't draw the conclusion that more nurses are women that there is matriarchy at work in nursing discriminating against men.

So .... equal but not the same.

[deleted] · 2017-06-20T17:56:47+00:00

Actually I do not believe in political equality unless you are paying taxes or have paid taxes throughout your adult life.

Cunari · 2017-06-21T00:43:53+00:00

Why focus on economic and political equality for females when the whole system is so corrupt and broken for both genders on fundamental levels?

A rising tide raises all ships. And the government and economy is one flat ass ocean.

Title	Do you believe in the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes?
Author	IckyStickyPoo
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Date	June 20, 2017 12:40 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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