Do women actually want men to suffer?

ddrluna · 2016-09-10T20:29:30+00:00

And red pillers say WOMEN are solipsistic. The fact that you assume that women show affection towards their significant others just to SPITE YOU is ridiculous. You view half of the human species in such a one-dimensional manner that it's really no wonder that you have no success in relationships. This kind of attitude towards others is cancer for any personality, in men or women. I hold disdain for any woman who thinks all men are stupid player dicks out for nothing but sex and occasionally football+beer, so I have no hesitation in calling you out for the same stupid generalizations.

Like everyone else in this thread has said, these women don't hate you. They just don't give a shit about you. And with attitudes like these, it's really not hard to imagine why nobody's interested in giving a shit.

dakru · 2016-09-10T19:40:21+00:00

Why don’t they be honest and just say they hate us? I can’t say I blame women for wanting to reproduce with the top 10% of men to maximize the probability of their offspring being genetically fit, but I wish women would admit these things.

Not being attracted to someone is very different from hating someone. And even on the point of attraction, what gives you the impression that women aren't attracted to anyone but the top 10% of men? Most men have relationships with women, and not just when they're older and desperate to settle down.

[deleted] · 2016-09-10T19:55:43+00:00

If everything around you smells like shit, check your shoe.

Askeiu · 2016-09-10T22:15:24+00:00

If women can't TRULY love a man in the same way that a man loves a woman, and if women use their looks to deceive and manipulate men into loving them only to break their heart and wallet while showing no remorse or guilt

Those are some bit 'if's.

Why don’t they be honest and just say they hate us?

Women don't hate you. They're just not interested in you. And through some kind of ridiculous mental gymnastics, you've convinced yourself that by not being attracted to you, they're despising you, spiting you, whatever.

Also, women commonly kiss and hug their chad in front of me solely to make me feel more inadequate and unlovable.

Almost impossibly self-absorbed. No one is thinking about you or your feelings when they express affection to their partner. You're not even part of the equation.

And furthermore, do you honestly believe that only the top 10% or 20% of men are getting love or sex? Despite the fact that most relationships are monogamous?

some women may actually want me to suffer due to my body.

Nope. We don't care. We don't see an unattractive person and think, "Ew, despicable, I hope he suffers." Mostly, ugly people just go unnoticed on every radar. Romantic, sexual, often even social. Ugly women have written extensively about experiencing the same thing.

being respectful, humorous, intelligent etc could attract a good woman

Those qualities are attractive...

if the woman is gonna fuck you, she MUST be able to conceive of the idea of being able to lay naked in a bed with you.

...but you can't be in a relationship with someone you're not attracted to. Do you ardently pursue fat, ugly women? Would you want a partner who you needed Viagra to fuck?

Reread the sentence you wrote. "To want to fuck you, a woman MUST find you somewhat sexually attractive." No shit, the quality of wanting to fuck a person is called sexual attraction.

ozymandias271 · 2016-09-10T21:34:08+00:00

Look, you seem like a nice kid, and I hate watching incels descend into misogyny land. So take it from me, a person who has fucked more virgins than most people have people.

(1) Don't read stuff about how women only want top ten percent men and ridicule men who lack bulging veinous cocks and so on. It's not good for you. It is super-validating! It feels like finally someone is acknowledging how fucking miserable and lonely you are. I know. But when you believe that you're not going to get a date, you're never going to get a date. And believing that women are malicious and vile is not exactly going to make for a healthy relationship.

(2) Most incels have at least one Glaring Obvious Flaw. People do not tell you about your glaring obvious flaw, because they want to be polite. About 95% of the time, this glaring obvious flaw is either "too frightened to ask girls out" or "too frightened to talk to girls, like, ever." You probably don't know what your flaw is, because-- no offense-- you don't know anything about dating. The good news is that almost all glaring obvious flaws are fixable if you get them before the guy turns into a bitter misogynist.

(3) Look up the Beck Depression Inventory. You can find copies of it online. If you score in the depressed range, go to a therapist immediately; if you don't have access to a therapist, check out a book on CBT like Feeling Good.

(4) Nobody is kissing and hugging their chad in front of you to make you feel bad. They're doing it because kissing and hugging their romantic partner is nice.

(5) If you prefer math to clubbing, don't hit on women who prefer clubbing to math. People like us are happiest if we date other people like us. No shit, club girls don't want to date you, they're club girls. Club guys don't want to date me either. Weirdo autistic nerds can have perfectly happy sex and romantic lives, but we have to stick to other weirdo autistic nerds and not waste our time chasing after normies.

(6) Message me if you're ever in the Bay Area, seriously, I can help.

jackandjill22 · 2016-09-10T22:36:50+00:00

No, I don't care about men other than my boyfriend, father and male friends. I have no see desire to see you suffer because your existence doesn't affect my life. Why would I care whether or not you suffer?

jackandjill22 · 2016-09-10T20:41:18+00:00

No, women don't want men to suffer.

Also, women commonly kiss and hug their chad in front of me solely to make me feel more inadequate and unlovable.

No, they don't do it to make you feel unlovable. You're being paranoid, but I understand. I am paranoid too and I also think people are out to get me. The key is to understand these feelings are illogical.

and some women may actually want me to suffer due to my body.

Women don't WANT you to suffer, they just don't care about you.

SexyMcSexington · 2016-09-10T20:07:40+00:00

Also, women commonly kiss and hug their chad in front of me solely to make me feel more inadequate and unlovable. They want to remind me of what I lack, and, rumor has it, they actually derive sexual pleasure from their heinous actions.

You need to understand something. The world doesn’t hate you. Society doesn’t hate you. Women don’t hate you. They simply don’t care. The universe does not care about your bleak, meager, infinitesimal existence.

The opposite of love is not hate, it’s apathy.

I was 3 SMV. Women never hated me. They just didn’t care for me in any sexual way, and that’s ok. You’re not required to care for them. Becoming a misogynist is still losing, because you still care, and why do you care what women who don’t love you think?

When you finally let go and stop caring, it doesn’t matter what your SMV is. Just go do your own damn thing and live your own damn life. Women should never be the ultimate goal. You should be the ultimate goal.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2016-09-10T20:33:07+00:00

women dont care about "men" in the aggregate at all, they care about their men and their dating pool

[deleted] · 2016-09-11T01:04:55+00:00

Your post smacks of paranoia. I'd suggest anyone having those type of paranoid views see a psychologist. This isn't said in any kind of snarky way whatsoever.

You're seeing women who have attractive boyfriends as taunting you think all women are ridiculing men who don't have huge penises.

That's not based on reality and I can't reply to this as though these are normal things to think. No one here will be able to convince you to see things how they really are.

jackandjill22 · 2016-09-10T21:44:13+00:00

No.

Women are pursuing their own agendas, sexual and otherwise. Women are simply having sex with men they find attractive, and they don't care about men they don't find attractive. They don't think about men they don't find attractive. Men they don't find attractive are either invisible or are sexual blanks -- just males human beings; male meatbags.

It's not that women want men to suffer. It's that they don't care about unattractive men (which is MOST men).

SpaceWhiskey · 2016-09-11T02:22:54+00:00

Women ridicule men who lack bulging mid-shaft, veinous cocks

First of all, I prefer smooth dicks and second, I have never rejected a dude because of his dick. If things have moved far enough for the dick to be out, I'm committed.

Minerva_x4 · 2016-09-11T07:28:13+00:00

No. Sorry OP you couldn't be more wrong.

You seem to be under some delusion that we do what we do, or even choose the partners we chooses out of some weird desire to spite you or something.

The reality is we don't care about unattractive men. Their very existence is not something we think about, theirs is an inconsequential one afawk. When I see some ugly or unattractive dude on the street, I don't go "Grrr! I hate that ugly guy with his inferior reproductive material!!!!!" Off chance: maybe I'll notice and think "Oh, that guy is kinda ugly. Ok." and forget about it a second later, but most likely I'll probably not even notice him.

BPremium · 2016-09-11T02:05:40+00:00

It does kind of feel that way, doesn't it? But women just dont care about most non-chads. So they don't actively hate you, which is a good thing. Most just dont think about non Chads at all. I know it sucks man, but most of us are in it together at least.

i_have_a_semicolon · 2016-09-11T04:03:03+00:00

Eh I stopped reading at the "women prefer men who like clubbing over math" BC the exact opposite is true for me. To each her own...

crowbird_ · 2016-09-11T15:28:49+00:00

No. Most creatures, humans included, are egoistic in the sense that they primarily care for their own needs. Some people, will use, deceive, and manipulate others to meet theirs. One does not even need to be a woman, narcissist or a psychopath to be capable of that.

Neither women or men are concerned of whether the opposite sex suffers or not. The vast majority of men (myself included) don't want anything to do with feminism, it doesn't do anything beneficial to them and has strong negative associations. Most women feel the same way about men's rights activism.

648262 · 2016-09-10T22:27:00+00:00

women use their looks to deceive and manipulate men into loving them only to break their heart and wallet

This is not true, and the rest of your post is therefore wrong.

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LibStealingSpic · 2016-09-10T20:53:07+00:00

Chad is the one who's trying to dominate you by showing off.

lollygagyo · 2016-09-11T08:50:02+00:00

If women can't TRULY love a man in the same way that a man loves a woman, and if women use their looks to deceive and manipulate men into loving them only to break their heart and wallet while showing no remorse or guilt, then why do women continually insist upon ‘finding the right guy’/all men are douchebags?

It's not the same people who do these things, tbh. I have many friends who ruthlessly and remorselessly use men for their money. I have never heard a single one of them say, "all men are douchebags" -- the women who do this? The bitches? They do not have trouble securing commitment. They're great at it and at getting men to spend inordinate amounts of $$ on them.

The girls who are saying ''men are douchebags'' are a different category of women. They're the women who are getting screwed over by men because they're kind and genuine and the men they're sleeping with are not.

Not all women are the same. Women often behave in very different ways and people's level of empathy varies.

Tbh, there was a time in my life, when I was very hurt, and I wanted to screw men over as badly as possible (post sexual assault. I decided that all men were awful douchebags and so I could fuck them over with impunity, I've gotten over that. I think a lot of RPers are angry like this/have generalized women like this so that they can do the exact same thing, so...you know. Based on my past behavior, I get the urge to lash out). I did terrible, terrible things to people -- used them for money, broke their hearts, dumped them unceremoniously, ruined their social standing. Looking back I am so ashamed -- but at the time I certainly didn't feel remorse.

I generally have a great sense of empathy, but during this time in my life I didn't. I wanted to make the people around me hurt. I wasn't complaining about ''finding the right guy''. I gave no fucks -- just like my lady friends who are hurt & lashing out now give 0 fucks.

DevilishRogue · 2016-09-11T12:45:58+00:00

This is the least Red Pill post I've read in this subreddit (and that includes all the Blue Pill posts).

despisedlove2 · 2016-09-11T02:57:05+00:00

I don't understand the meaning of your long whine.

Women are what they are.

What do you mean by kind and loving? These are mannerisms that women have found useful over the centuries. Further, women are generally genuinely kind and loving to their kids.

As to them deriving pleasure from rubbing your situation in your face, women like to be desired. That is all.

Do you love or hate a restroom? Do you like it to suffer when you use it? It is an amenity. That is what men are to women. What they whine about is the difficulty of finding the right amenity these days. Consuming his resources and using his support is what they are after. It is up to the man to guard himself and his heart.

As to your misogyny, it is misguided to hate women. It is natural, but like all emotions, it gets in the way of understanding women. Just as a snake charmer doesn't hate cobras, but understands their nature, so should you understand women.

[deleted] · 2016-09-10T21:53:25+00:00

Depends on the woman. Some women are more aware of people's suffering than others, and some women care more about it than others. How a woman acts is dependent on the gain from an action outweighing the shame. Women who have no reason to feel shameful things seem like emotional retards because they aren't wired to seek to protect people's feelings, so if they don't understand why something is wrong they won't give a shit.

wont_tell_i_refuse · 2016-09-10T19:31:33+00:00

They simply don't give a shit about non-Chads. It's not an "enjoy suffering" thing, they simply display the most cruel behavior possible to get betas showing sexual interest to go the fuck away.

It's an evolutionary adaptation.

Dopeska · 2016-09-11T02:44:14+00:00

Most women never leave the little girl phase i.e. they put all their makeup and push up bras on (which they choose to do, not are opressed to do) and then when they dont land the guy they think theyre entitled to but their friend does they get super shitty, jealous, feel useless. and all men are pigs.

They never get passed being like that and they love taking it out on guys.

Title	Do women actually want men to suffer?
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