CMV: Hairstyles and clothes have little impact on attractiveness as long as you meet the minimum requirements, which 90%+ of people do.

Entropy-7 · 2016-08-04T07:14:02+00:00

So a girl wearing a snow suit looks just as sexy as a girl wearing a tight, short dress and heels?

GaiusScaevolus · 2016-08-04T15:46:09+00:00

If you're a 4 or less, you won't be attractive no matter how well dressed or styled you are.

If you're an 8 or better you can probably get away with dressing a bit on the frumpy side and still get interest.

But for the large majority of folks who fall in the 5-7 average, having your style on point yields great dividends.

whatsideareyouon · 2016-08-04T10:06:45+00:00

I disagree, but all this is is a matter of opinion, so the debate here is gonna be moot. It's also a matter for the subconscious.

Dressing well (as in smart, with expensive clothes) I think is noticeable to practically everyone, but especially to women - because they spend more of their time and education learning that appearances matter. Having a decent pair of shoes on is especially noticeable.

One of the things we are always told to do is to complement clothing, as it is a choice made by the person rather than something they have no control over. This is why clothing is especially important to me, it is what offers you most of your control over your looks. It also gives the most gain in the shortest time.

It's also possible to make your clothes noticeable - to fish for compliments if you will. A guy who slums it in jeans and a hoodie for the whole year will always recieve complements on formal occasions because his friends are not used to that. If you want fishing tips, definitely wear nicer shoes. Really high quality formal shoes will click on hard surfaces, that is impossible not to notice. Wear better fitting clothes. If you work out wear clothes that can show your muscles, only if you have low body fat you can afford to wear slightly smaller than your size. Unfortunately wearing a smaller fit if you don't have your fat under control gives the impression that you buy a smaller size to make yourself feel good, without actually dealing with your problem.

Nice threads convey a sense of high self worth (clothing yourself only in expensive material), confidence, maturity and even hygeine. People are always judging, consciously or not, on looks. The only way you can learn about someone you've never spoken to is by judging their appearance.

The 48 laws of power has a rule (37 I think) whereby you should treat yourself like a king at all times. What better way to seem kingly to strangers than to dress well? Have you ever put really nice formalwear on and felt like acting proper, like you were a CEO or a lawyer about to make partner? Wear nice clothes and you will subconsciously make yourself demand more respect.

As to the 90% statistic: in my opinion there are more sections than that. You have the 5% (I wouldn't say 10) that dress completely unacceptably. Then you have 70 or 80% that dress acceptably. Then you have the top tier who treat themselves well and dress better because they know the benefits. That's a more accurate model to what I see happening, though obviously this depends on where you live and what area of town you walk through.

Compare this to the 80/20 rule if you want, but it matters not: as long as you can avoid the aura of snobbery, dressing well will only benefit you. Ignoring this to me is a sign of social laziness.

Last address: dressing well, naturally, must also include dressing appropriately. Don't wear a suit to a punk rock gig. Don't wear clicky formal shoes to go dancing in a club, unless it's tap dancing.

[deleted] · 2016-08-04T10:33:10+00:00

This is stupid, hairstyle and clothes clearly signify not just social status but health, if you speak with a psychologist they will say that the first thing they note when they analyse someone is is their grooming because if an animal (any animal, humans included) falls upon hard times, the first thing which suffers is superficial grooming.

Obviously boys who use hair gel and post a tonne of pics on insta are effeminate as shit, but that's probably a turnoff because it signifies that the persona he portrays may not be genuine.

Archwinger · 2016-08-04T11:21:26+00:00

Hair and clothes are darn near absolute requirements to get laid. Shitty hair and dirty poor people clothes will blow it for you.

However, clothes and hair, alone, are worthless if you're not actually hot.

GridReXX · 2016-08-04T16:20:13+00:00

Nah.

Hairstyles and facial grooming change lives.

Javier Bardem said he hated his hairstyle and lack of facial hair in No Country for Old Men. Said it made him legitimately depressed at how ugly it made him.

[deleted] · 2016-08-04T16:28:03+00:00

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ozymandias271 · 2016-08-04T13:41:38+00:00

All I know is that I magically went from The Ugly One to The Hot One when I cut my hair short. IDK about other people but it had a serious effect for me.

Entropy-7 · 2016-08-04T14:00:04+00:00

It's basic economics regarding diminishing returns which doesn't invalidate the point or make the OP correct other than by splitting hairs. Telling a minimum wage earner to formulate plan to make $75k a year because women like men with money is a lot different than telling a sexless family doctor making $150k that he should become a neurosurgeon.

It's a statistical phenomenon whereby trait X in the general population has a high correlation to trait Y but among those with lots of trait Y there is almost no correlation to trait X. Basketball players are tall, but there is little connection between the height and ability of professional basketball players. Back when MMA did not have weight classes, compared to the general population the MMA fighters were pretty big guys, but among the top MMA fighters there was almost no connection between their mass and their fighting ability. Among countries world wide there is a substantial connection between income inequality and homicide rates, but considering only the safest countries, that correlation disappears.

It's certainly the same regarding grooming habits or fashion sense and success with women, and probably so with just about anything that people say will make you successful with women.

Among men generally, slobs don't get women while better dressed men do, but among men who get women there is no connection between how well they dress and how successful they are.

BiggerDthanYou · 2016-08-04T09:28:02+00:00

Your style has a lot of effect if you go for niches. Basic people don't care that much, but they have no sense of style either way. Punks, hipsters, rockers, skaters, goths, goa hippies, edm, hip hoppers, etc on the other hand are easily impressed if you know what to wear.

In my normal boring day to day clothes I don't get noticed, but if I'm dressing up for the night and go out I often get approached and told that I look very cool or dress very well. It's like the women in those scenes don't care about anything except that you look and act like a celeb she's into.

I'd say it's a huge difference. Dressed as a boring nerd in comfy clothes I'm a 2, but with a Septum and hot clothes I'm good enough to get approached by random women that want to take pictures of me (doesn't happen often) and people recognize and remember me.

SlashCo80 · 2016-08-04T12:48:37+00:00

I disagree. I think clothing, hairstyle and overall "look" can make a big difference in making a person either more or less attractive, depending how well they're chosen. If we're talking numbers, they can affect SMV by as much as +/- 2 points.

rulenumber303 · 2016-08-04T15:51:11+00:00

You've never had a good haircut.

super-commenting · 2016-08-04T17:59:06+00:00

Personally as a man judging myself in the mirror I think I look a lot better with my hair nicely styled and my beard trimmed. Your hair frames your face so picking a style that accents your best features can make a big difference.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2016-08-04T10:24:56+00:00

Male Attractiveness = height * facial symmetry * proper body ratios * HairstyleAndClothes^height

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[deleted] · 2016-08-04T16:37:36+00:00

It's different for men than it is for women.

Most women do meet "minimum requirements". But it's not 90+%. It's around 60 to 70% of women. Stated another way, 60 to 70% of women meet minimum thresholds of attractiveness with hairstyles and clothing, along with the rest of the package.

Around 20 to 30% of men meet bare minimum thresholds of attractiveness. For the remaining 70% to 80% of men, fixing hair and clothes only won't help them at all. Those remaining 70% to 80% of men have deeper, more basic structural issues that need total overhaul.

For most men, better hair and clothes are like a Rust-Oleum paint job on a corroded, dilapidated bridge. Looks better, but it will collapse and disintegrate under stress or weight limits.

redmachines · 2016-08-05T03:12:17+00:00

If your style isn't generating results, then you do not have style. Not that complicated. These "well dressed" friends of yours are most likely mediocre in terms of style which in that case, it won't help them at all when attracting women.

Title	CMV: Hairstyles and clothes have little impact on attractiveness as long as you meet the minimum requirements, which 90%+ of people do.
Author	BoiledSpinachLeaves
Upvotes	9
Comments	78
Date	August 4, 2016 6:39 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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