CMV: It's better to be born a woman than a man in a first world country.

cats_or_get_out · 2015-12-22T06:57:18+00:00

You clearly want to have been born a cat. Cats are desirable merely by existing. Even his indelicate gnawing of his leg or his uncouth licking of his own asshole does not blemish his dignity. Cats offer nothing yet demand everything. And when cats tire of us, they move on.

Yet in spite of all this, we find ourselves trying to coax the feline from behind the rose bush with our "Here, kitty, kitty" and wiggly fingers.

I would want to be a cat just to feel desired, to feel some inherent worth in being myself, rather than worth in what I could give to others, like money, my job, or whatever fancy car or house I had.

cxj · 2015-12-22T05:19:48+00:00

IDK man, periods, childbirth, hormone driven emotional irrationality, cramps, getting approached all the time by guys you aren't attracted to and you know mostly just want to get laid, constant cattiness within your own gender, having to plan your life really carefully if you want a marriage/family because your SMV is so heavily tied into your looks and youth....

Easy access to the sexual marketplace

This is something men want way more than women. You are projecting desire onto them.

Can easily get a relationship

Getting long term commitment from a man you are actually attracted to can be pretty tough for women, and this seems to be what most of them really want. Hypergamy sucks for women because it makes it hard for them to be attracted to very many men, just like being attracted solely to looks sucks for men because it warps the personalities of women who look good and makes it hard to assess for character, other compatibility, etc. Attraction is irrational and out of our control.

Better outcomes in divorce court/settlements

That's been true for a few decades but running out of steam. My Dad's best friend is an extremely successful well known divorce lawyer who has handled landmark cases, and he got screwed in a divorce by his ex wife who is also a divorce lawyer (lol!) and even he said the golden age of divorce rape is long gone. Mostly the lawyers just take everything from everyone. He did say custody is still colossally in women's favor though.

Less likely to be homeless or unemployed

true.

Freedom from Selective Service

true, but how often are men drafted these days?

Feeling desired- invites for dates, parties, even Netflix and Chill. Guys don't feel desired anymore. Makes a lot of guys feel worthless.

This is actually the big one IMO. I don't think guys are as naturally social as girls, I think when they are it needs to be a deliberately construed socially sanctioned effort like Free Masons, veterans halls, etc etc. Women just seem more socially adaptive to me. As I approach thirty I find it harder and harder to drag guys out of their caves, especially if girls are not involved. I think its very easy for guys of almost any age nowadays to become isolated and depressed, and they lack the skills to alleviate this. It takes pro active effort.

I'd still rather be depressed than have periods tho.

madethisfortaleden · 2015-12-22T13:55:53+00:00

I would want to be a girl just to feel desired, to feel some inherent worth in being myself, rather than worth in what I could give to others, like money, my job, or whatever fancy car or house I had.

But women aren't desired for "being themselves," they're valued in what they give to others as well: sex, physical attractiveness, emotional support, companionship, higher self- and social value for their partners, manual labor, childbearing and childcare, etc. If a woman doesn't provide those things, then no one would want her either.

[deleted] · 2015-12-22T17:00:47+00:00

Freedom from Selective Service

Your post refers to the first world in general but this only applies to the US. No other first world country has anything like this.

Anyway, I get where you're coming from but in most aspects of life I doubt your gender makes much difference. The one thing I will say is people feel more empathy for women in general, but I'm not sure what practical advantages that'd afford me.

VermiciousKnidzz · 2015-12-23T09:20:43+00:00

RP really needs to lose the idea that women are all horny children looking to screw men over because its not realistic at all. its also so funny and expected that 50% of these are about sex. not everyone is as obsessed with sex as RP.

our patriarchal society likes to condition people into thinking that women are delicate dependent children that can't do any wrong, that all women are just waitng around for men to do the work to seduce them, and that men and women are beings from different planets. fuck gender roles, huh?

I would want to be a girl just to feel desired, to feel some inherent worth in being myself, rather than worth in what I could give to others, like money, my job, or whatever fancy car or house I had.

just because some people are superficial doesnt mean women have it more easy than men. women are easily held to the same superficial scrutiny as men, but in different ways.

[deleted] · 2015-12-22T10:47:08+00:00

Physically I think it's still better to be a man. Socially women have it better unless you really rise to the occasion.

Whisper · 2015-12-22T06:53:01+00:00

Men have more hardships and heavier burdens, but this makes us mentally tougher and more emotionally stable.

For example, when women talk about walking in the streets at night, and being afraid, that's strange to me. The actual real-world data tells me I am in much more danger walking alone at night than a woman, because men are much more likely to be attacked.

So the question is, would you rather be afraid, but not in danger, or in danger, but not have to be afraid? Is it better to be privileged and weak, or despised and strong?

I know which one I'll take, but it might be a tougher call for some people.

drmalehattan · 2015-12-22T04:41:43+00:00

I'd hate to deal with menstruation every month.

I've always felt valuable, due to hobbies and intellectual pursuits. I've never felt a great need for other people to approve of me.

(I'm a guy.)

Cyralea · 2015-12-22T14:20:54+00:00

All of your points are true, and from the perspective of a man anywhere below the median on the SMV curve it seems obvious that being a woman is better. They have a pretty hard glass floor.

Except you'd have to give some things up. Your capacity to be valued for something other than your looks, which disappear after a dozen years or so. Your intellectual superiority. Your problem-solving and understanding of reality. Your ability to always improve your life on your own. Your strength, size and dominance. Your tempering for challenge from an early age, preparing you for life stress down the road.

The reality is that women today are miserable. That's not conjecture, it's an observed fact. They're less happy relative to women 40 years ago and relative to men today.

They aren't prepared for the world, they're given a framework that sets them up for misery. Study, get a degree, get a job, ride cocks for a dozen years, marry some loser and have kids...then what? Even if they accomplish that, and they all don't, from where do they derive happiness? They're overworked, unattractive past 40, and haven't been prepared for the shittiness of life like men have since they hit puberty.

Being a man is awesome. The start of the journey is much harder, but our trajectory is set so much higher. We are capable of actualizing ourselves within the first half of our lives and coasting for the entire latter half. I wouldn't give that up to be a woman.

[deleted] · 2015-12-22T21:51:42+00:00

Look in a magazine lately? Girls, women are not valued for ourselves. We are valued for how we look. Skinnier the better. But big boobs and nice butt too. Makeup to cover any blemishes. You are greying? Too bad. Cover it with color.

GridReXX · 2015-12-22T07:00:07+00:00

Clearly its still better to be born a man outside of the western world,

No dude. it's better to be a man in USA than to be in third world countries.

apube · 2015-12-22T05:18:29+00:00

You're assuming that all/most women feel that they are desired. This is totally false.

I would want to be a girl just to feel desired, to feel some inherent worth in being myself, rather than worth in what I could give to others, like money, my job, or whatever fancy car or house I had.

Except, just a man may feel that his only worth is his earning potential, a woman may feel her only worth is her looks/ability to sexually satisfy. Probably not that much better.

PoopInMyBottom · 2015-12-22T05:00:22+00:00

Clearly its still better to be born a man outside of the western world

Is it?

Bear in mind if you are born anywhere near a war zone, you have a significantly higher risk of dying if you are a man. Not to mention Asia - given the obligations families have to women that they don't have to men, I'm not sure it's that clear-cut.

your_mom_on_drugs · 2015-12-22T14:26:19+00:00

It depends what you want out of life. I am happier being a woman because I am a pretty relaxed person, not strongly driven or achievement focused. I don't have to worry about balancing a career and family, I pick family. I don't have to worry about my relationships being torn apart because one of us got a job on the other side of the country from the other one - I'll live wherever my husband needs to live. If I was ambitious and driven I think being a woman would be a lot more complicated than being a man - but I am not so I like the advantages of femininity. I can be a playful dilettante and it's ok (even endearing) because my husband takes charge of being hard nosed and pragmatic. But if I was naturally hard nosed and pragmatic, goal oriented and driven to achieve in the marketplace I would have so many compromises to make between my biology, social expectations and my personality and would probably end up frustrated, lonely or both.

TUKINDZ · 2015-12-22T15:06:40+00:00

Society treats women generally better today, but their biology and physiology is just ridiculously shitty in comparison. Who wants to be short, slower, smaller, less athletic and have to bleed every month, deal with your crazy hormones, deal with creepy dudes, cellulite and stretched out bits from child birth.

prodigy2throw · 2015-12-22T15:56:24+00:00

That's anger phase talk. Ultimately men of a certain caliber have it better. If you work hard as a man, you have it made better than a woman. Never forget that you have more to offer.

user5577 · 2015-12-22T16:05:52+00:00

It's better to be born a women from a man's perspective.

Some women are hyper emotional and I'm so glad I'm not a one of these women. Being a western women:

Need constant validation and support.
Prone to emotional swings that will literally bring you to tears. And feel.bouts of intense sadness.
inability to control emotions, thus acting irrationally and inappropriately.
lack of stoism means they are unable to work through hardships.

Recall every time you've felt embarrassed, ashamed, dissapointed, sad, angry, defeated, lonely and left out. Multiply the magnitude and frequency by ten. Objectively their lives are better. Subjectively they are far more enslaved to their emotions.

czerdec · 2015-12-22T13:28:37+00:00

Obviously true for 80% of men. I'm amazed you omitted the fact that there are universally vastly heavier societal pressures to work hard than for females, including childless ones. If you're in the top 20% of looks and intelligence as a man, I'd say it's not quite so obvious.

The absence of menstruation and the fact that almost all humans are instinctively predisposed to view you as better leadership material compared to an equally intelligent woman would arguably justify saying that top-tier men have it slightly better.

The delusion that is contemporary feminism arises from the fact that the bottom 80% of men are invisible to women, therefore they compare their situation to the only males they are capable of noticing for sustained periods of time.

DivaDepression · 2015-12-22T09:25:34+00:00

This makes me think about this.

[deleted] · 2015-12-22T05:55:27+00:00

The SMP takes effort, but men who can get into it get a way better shake out of it.

Title	CMV: It's better to be born a woman than a man in a first world country.
Author	daebow
Upvotes	7
Comments	102
Date	December 22, 2015 4:26 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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