As I've been reading this and other forums on this topic, the question about "nice guys" always seems to focus on the man and what he may or may not be doing wrong in his quest to find a relationship.

That's all well and good, but the context of most of these "nice guy" situations is that the women in their lives are the ones complaining that they can't find any nice guys. In fact, this seems to be a common theme throughout society, as there are common complaints that "chivalry is dead," all the good guys are gone, etc., etc.

It would be different if all or most women were already in happy, stable relationships, at which point the typical "nice guy" would simply say, "Well, I lost out to another nice guy, fair and square." There would hardly be the level of sour grapes or resentment which is typically associated with the "nice guy" in these scenarios.

That's the key point to consider, since most or all of these nice guys are citing situations where the woman is complaining about not being able to find a nice guy. Looking across all of society, with a high rate of divorce and indications of dysfunctional/abusive relationships out there, the evidence would show multitudes of women are not ending up with nice guys at all.

I see a lot of hate for the so-called "neckbeard virgins" and the nice guys going "woe is me" all the time. I actually agree that a lot of these "nice guys" are wallowing too much in self-pity.

But what about the self-pity expressed by women who complain that they can't find any nice guys? What's their deal?

Are women lying about not being able to find nice guys?

Would admitting that there may actually be nice guys in this world somehow spoil the feminist belief that "all men are scum"? Is that the reason for all the denigration of nice guys as if they're the worst thing in the world?