Trp as projection

Archipelagi · 2013-10-29T15:37:02+00:00

I would argue it isn't projection -- they aren't seeing negative attributes in themselves and accusing others of having those attributes to make themselves feel better. They see these attributes as positive for certain kinds (their kind) but as negative attributes in anything not a part of their special club. It's the result of a disordered view of humanity, in which there are WomenPeople and MenPeople, and the two are no more alike than any two mammal species might be.

So starting from that viewpoint, they define "woman" as "not man." And, therefore, it is considered to be an inappropriate and negative attribute for a woman to do anything that has been defined as something men do -- which, in the TRP world, primarily consists of using their devastating rationality and logic to score lots of self-deceived bitches.

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alfalfaman · 2013-10-29T02:23:26+00:00

Trp is essentially men projecting all their qualities that they hate onto women as a way to avoid having to deal with them.

Uh huh.

They talk about women playing games and manipulating them and then base their entire sexual philosophy around doing the same.

Some TRP people talk about some of that, yeah. We kinda recognize the whole thing as a game. But the sexual philosophy is less manipulation (manipulations and lies usually take 2 to tango) and more about plain old self-empowerment.

They talk about women's unfaithfulness and then actively encourage " spinning plates".

A component of infidelity is committment. We don't give plates committment in the first place.

They claim that women are emotionally driven with no capability for logical reasoning and then they knee jerk react to anything that doesn't fit their world view. Its a Knee jerk react in a very non logical and emotionally driven way.

Some claim that. Some knee jerk. Trying to find relevance here.

lastly and loosely related to this is that they justify their double standards with biology. These hypotheses they use however don't even have a coherent framework, let alone any evidence.

Heh, it sure has you and a whole sub of people continually riled up, doesn't it.

Discuss.

What's there to discuss? This is a purely TheBluePill rant not even disguised as a neutral topic.

hobodick · 2013-10-29T17:56:40+00:00

You need to understand the sources of these behaviors to really understand the results and whether or not they are "moral".

They talk about women playing games and manipulating them and then base their entire sexual philosophy around doing the same.

In theory, women play games and manipulate because they are much more emotional, on average, then men while men are more logical and decisive, on average. They test you because they don't want a bitch ass man.

I feel that mens "game" is really just an act. I believe it's a way to "fake it til you make it". By practicing these behaviors and pondering these principles they will eventually come into focus as your core personality. When someone, male or female, tries to manipulate you, even if they are not aware they are doing it, they will not succeed because you are solid in your frame. Patrice O'Neal, someone often praised on TRP, says something along the lines of, "If you are not playing the game you are losing...the best game is to have no game." The idea behind this, in my opinion, is to look at sexual strategy in the pursuit of intimacy for what it is. Look at what works for people and why. Then, build yourself. Work hard, and develop your personality because the truth seems to be that what attracts women is an independent strong happy confident successful man.

They talk about women's unfaithfulness and then actively encourage " spinning plates".

This probably stems from the idea that women seem to be attracted to men that other women are attracted to. If your woman can't see that you can attract other women, she will likely stop being attracted to you. Further more, women seem to like men who don't "need" them, especially in our world where so many boys are needing support from women instead of being a support for their community. Spinning Plates, I believe, is also a sort of defense mechanism to strengthen oneself. If things don't go well with the woman you're with, you have a few more that you can spend time with. Personally, I like monogamy even though it seems like humans are not naturally monogamous. If you ask men who are successful with women they will tell you to "create a bidding war". It's commonly called "preselection". If one woman, or many, has hooked up with you, other women will often want a piece too. Many want to know whats up with this guy that seems to attract so many women. Many women don't even seem to care if you tell them you're dating other women, in fact they seem to appreciate it opposed to saying you're looking for a long term relationship that leads to marriage.

They claim that women are emotionally driven with no capability for logical reasoning and then they knee jerk react to anything that doesn't fit their world view. Its a Knee jerk react in a very non logical and emotionally driven way.

lastly and loosely related to this is that they justify their double standards with biology. These hypotheses they use however don't even have a coherent framework, let alone any evidence.

Yeah you're right, most don't cite any sources for their claims that women are generally more emotionally driven. I believe this way of thinking stems from hormones and the way we express things like empathy and emotion management. Society also plays a role, as many women are validated constantly while men chase them yet they never believe in their beauty because they still see themselves as they were when they were 14 looking in the mirror, or read too many magazine ads. This is not to say that women cannot be logical, but a logical woman is often something to be feared...because when her hormones DO effect her emotions and mindset, she will use logic to justify them while men line up to console her. In this sense, men and women are really no better or worse than one another.

Biologically, women do go through monthly periods, pms, pregnancy and menopause which have been known to bring emotional storms. Not to mention women have increased levels of estrogen. Men are not immune to emotional issues of course, it's just not as ingrained in their biology. My first girlfriend told me I was on my period more than any woman she ever met. I was raised by two women, and raised as a woman pretty much. I've worked hard to learn to manage my emotions, but I feel I have an easier time empathizing with people.

I believe in understanding our differences, our strengths and weaknesses, and celebrating them. Learning what roles we are best suited for, and working hard to be the best versions of ourselves we can be.

jacobman · 2013-10-29T21:10:58+00:00

As always I'm sure it depends on the person, but I think many people see it this way.

They talk about women playing games

I think for a lot of people that talk about women playing games, I think they're talking about when a woman says one thing and does another. A lot of seduction type men will probably tell you that what they advocate is changing your attitude, life, and way you react to people to become more attractive, which they don't see as being manipulative.

They talk about women's unfaithfulness and then actively encourage " spinning plates".

Again, you might be misunderstanding many guys. I think many guys think spinning plates simply means not to commit to one girl and to instead date many girls. It doesn't imply that you have to lie to keep the girl around. If you happen to think that women in general will be unfaithful, then the logical conclusion would be to not commit to one woman, correct? I'm not saying I know enough to agree with that, but I think it seems logical if you think women are naturally unfaithful.

Paranoidexboyfriend · 2013-10-29T03:47:45+00:00

Accusations of projecting are the adult version of "I know you are but what am I?"

angatar_ · 2013-10-30T07:02:28+00:00

spinning plates =|= cheating

Women are able at the end of a relationship to have sex that night with someone else. This is without spinning plates, they just need to hit up a FB friend or two.

A man however needs to spin plates, keep a level of attraction there.

This also helps avoid oneitis

[deleted] · 2013-10-29T06:30:07+00:00

If you bring a knife to a gun fight you will have problems.

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Title	Trp as projection
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