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Menopause and the red pill

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December 6, 2019

I'm 58, L8TR is post menopausal. Any of the older guys here have experience with how the red pill works in those relationships

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Title Menopause and the red pill
Author learning0007
Upvotes 6
Comments 66
Date 06 December 2019 09:12 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

I hear you guys shit all over yourselves about low T, and how you lose your desire. But you're too stupid to admit a woman with no T, no hormones, won't crawl over glass to fuck you.

Some women can't do HRT. Changes the game.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]PersaeusRed Beret-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nailed it

[–]ObjectionTrue15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

Married 30 years, Red Pilled 18 months. Wife had complete hysterectomy over 13 years ago (after 3 kids). Thereafter my beta self got infrequent sex (2-3x month), and her lack of hormones didn't help. Few years after she started HRT, including some testosterone: this helped the quality of sex (wetness) and a slight increase in desire. Fast forward to 2 years ago when I started dieting, lifting and found RP. Lost 40 pounds. Now I'm 12% BF and all my lifts are advanced or elite (102.9 symmetric strength score), I say no, smack her ass, tease her, STFU, etc. And the sex? At least 3x week, no hard nos, using toys, dirty talk, admiring my body during sex, found out after 29yrs she can squirt. HRT is very important (otherwise they're bitchy and insane and dryness issues) BUT it's being jacked and red-pilled that creates attraction/desire. HRT = Slight improvement; HRT + RP + lifting heavy + low BF = attraction, desire and frequent crazy sex.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good comment dude. I hope OP is paying attention.

[–]learning0007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great comment

[–]vplatt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

symmetric strength score




Hey, neat! Hmm... got work to do.

TIL'ed. Thanks!

[–]UnbreakableFrame0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great comment. I'll come back to this in 25 years.

[–]MillionaireSexbomb3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

For those whose wives suffer from atrophy, dryness, discomfort during sex and pills and creams aren’t working for them, I would recommend finding a doctor who has a vaginal rejuvenation device and performing a consult to see if there can be any improvement. It can improve sexual comfort and help some women with SUI. Probably a small minority of you guys have it but roughly 65% of women will experience symptoms like this from menopause at some point in their life.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy


Rule 0.3xF:

  • Women are whores.
  • Whorish women are always wet for muscular men.
  • Women never, ever, ever - even after the loss of all limbs and the power to speak or breathe on their own - lose desire for their men - if their men are hawt.
  • Women are whores.
  • Vaginas are perpetually wet for the most manly of men.
  • Women are whores.
  • Vagina.

[–]Elvis_Death2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol. Your humor is more humorous knowing that half the guys reading it won't get the joke...

[–]The_LitzRed Beret4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nothing wrong with the advice, but guys don't get it. It is a mental game. You came up with a solution for a problem, that is what men do, but most men miss the point that she is playing a game.

If she wanted to freshen up the kitty, she would be at the doctor booking her appointment the moment she realised it's broken.

Now betabux must go and search google for a pussy improvement plan to show her while crossing his fingers that she will be interested and that sex will improve after it.

Guys just don't get it. They still chase after a ball that she is throwing.

[–]MillionaireSexbomb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You make a good point, thank you. I should have prefaced it as an absolute last resort if nothing else works, but you’re right if you’re at the point where this needs to be shared overtly the men have missed the point.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women may choose to have sex with a desirable man for some personal combination of one or more reasons, including

  • hormone driven libido

  • validation

  • mate retention

  • mate competition

  • emotional intimacy with a partner

  • to make a baby

Even with some attractions in play, most women will not voluntarily have sex with someone who displays unattractive characteristics; even a horny woman will choose to go home alone rather than fuck an undesirable man.

Menopause doesn't change these redpill truths about a woman's sexual attraction and desire, but it often reduces or removes many of her motivations for desiring or choosing sex. The hormonal shifts of menopause may affect each woman differently, but usually reduces or kills her hormone-based libido; pregnancy is also completely out; greater emotional maturity with age or hormonal shifts may reduce her desire for external validation through sex or to compete for mates.

Redpill methods for increasing desire remain the same, but typically have reduced effect with a menopaused woman, while unattractive behaviors that turn off her sexual interest remain in full force. So the effectiveness of various improvements or techniques may shift, a higher level of performance might be required, and the desire they produce might be reduced, but I can assure you from personal experience that the red pill still holds true for post-menopausal women.

[–]learning0007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks, that's what my gut is telling me as well

[–]floatingsidewalk[🍰] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

There are obvious and well known changes to physiology. None of these change your strategy or tactics. The physiological changes actually have a chance to make sexual interactions easier for some betas.

For example, a woman who is afraid of pregnancy (doesn't want YOUR sperm) may no longer be as inhibited.

In other, more negative cases (lubrication, changes in energy levels, etc) are really things that basic leadership (exercise, diet, financial, spiritual, recreational, etc.) and game should address.

Good luck, you sound like you have a long way to go.

[–]learning0007[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks, it's going to be a long road and I'm totally OK with that

[–]floatingsidewalk[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I should mention there are cases where vaginal skin thinning and chemistry is out of whack. Perhaps, those are legitimate cases to address thru medicine.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy

Get a younger woman.

Problem solved.

[–]learning0007[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

Yeah, except I would turn into the same beta flag with her if I don't do the work

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

How much of a beta fag are you now?

Seeing as you posted in a vacuum with no stats or details, I'm guessing it's pretty fucking faggy.

[–]learning0007[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Huge. Preliminary OYS

5'11 200 pounds 18 percent body fat on trt add anavar periodically

Lifting 3 days per week 5X5, was going more, started hurting to much, was way over training

Both 58 divorced in LTR, not married. Engaged for last 3 years, don't live together. Tried it for a couple of years, another disaster

Reading NMNG, MAP, TWOTSP, sidebar, Rollos blog

At present moment, break up number a zillion. She saw that I added anavar to my trt, (didn't hide it), didn't mention it either (faggy). She exploded, decided I was a drug addict. Threatening to call my company

Sex 3 times since January

Started red pill journey about 60 days ago, was feeling very good about things, but realizing is just beginning bullshit. But she was getting more affectionate, and actually said she was sorry for something.

Career : Engineering manager, happy with money and career

[–]BarracudaRP3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

in LTR, not married. Engaged for last 3 years, don't live together

At present moment, break up number a zillion

You're not married, and you're currently 'broken up' again - brother, you have a chance for a clean break from a woman who is really bad for you. There are men here who would give their left testicle to have that kind of opportunity.

Threatening to call my company

She is shitting on your boundaries, my man. I know you're not in the best place, but dude, go fuck ten other women and tell me how strongly you feel about needing to keep this exact one.

[–]learning0007[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I agree, Got to do the work here no matter what, because if I don't, I'll repeat the same stupid behavior. The only common denominator with the women is me

[–]RedPillGlasses2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, wtf not every woman is going to threaten to get you fired because they don’t like a medication you are taking.

This is not AWALT.

You have a dumb ass bitch threatening your FUCKING JOB. I don’t give a damn how long you’ve been together, or how many kids, or how much you love her, or how “mad you made her”.

She threatened to get you fired from work. I’m a glass half full kind of guy, but you can’t let people pull shit like that on you.

Hard Next. Move out, break up, ghost her, all of it.

And I would give her the exact same advice if a guy was pulling that on her.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why would you put up with the amount of shit you do for someone who you don't live with, have no kids with and are not married to?

For three fucks a year?

Is she that fucking good in the sack that you'd allow the toxic relationship you have created to fuck with your head for the other 362 days of the year?

Would your time and mental energy not be better spent doing more productive things?

[–]RedPillGlasses0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, bitch tells me she’s going to “call my work” she’s fucking done. Absolutely done.

[–]AlohaMaui8080 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What are your 5×5 lifts? Needed to know if your BF% is inaccurate

[–]screechhaterRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lift STFU. Be a man’s man, own your shit to a T, stoically emit giving no fucks- not even 10 of them to her emotion outbursts- temper tantrums, and get your diet/wardrobe under control

Hitting menopause, women say goodbye to the red train, but embrace fucking in a whole new manner- if your man enough to deliver.

The shit is the same, except the new lease on life is a confidence boost.

A lot of my friend’s Saharan wives pussies stem from their wives coming to terms that they just can’t mother them another year, or bear to the “Ham Beast Child” another time.

Get your shit together. As Over60_FireTempered3 would state, “it’s the same game they are just meaner at it”

Seriously, nothing you are going through is seriously out of your control to change by doing the work.

My story is I put so much time into a business, that one day, I came home early to fuck and the shit tests from the drunk menopausal LTR caught being off guard. I played into the whole menopausal bullshit for about 6 months.

I never let myself go in many levels - except I did fall into the mental duress shit test trap. Once I got that under control, I made the comment that I don’t “fuck women with short hair”

Sticking to that premise, I initiated and fucked her 60 days later as her hair grew in. It’s to her shoulders now. She got on HRT, got her UTI’s under control and lost weight.

Put in the work, love the results. They come around If your wirth it

[–]Rock_Granite4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm about your age, married 31 years. Post menopausal wife. What I have found is that the better I get at adopting attractive red pill behavior, the better my wife behaves. I am getting the best sex ever. The lesson for you is that the menopause is irrelevant. Get your shit together and your wife will start acting better. You've got to set some expectations and set some boundaries as well.

Good luck. Keep working at it and don't get discouraged. These things take time.

[–]ur-2382 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same as any other time:

Be a man of value.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy

All my successful male friends whom have wives post menopausal are all on Female TRT.

There is a biological issue at play.

Question is are you a HVM to warrant her to do something?

[–]learning0007[S] 10 points11 points  (19 children) | Copy

Good question. She wont do HRT because she had a bout with breast cancer 8 years ago. She came throughnit very well, just a lumpectomy. That kicked in my white knight response that I never turned back off, when her endless supply of new problems kicked in, like losing custody of her kids, inability to make a living, and being on social security for mental issues, there was lots to save. Of course my solution was to ask her to marry me.Needless to say, all desire for me is gone, as all the reading would predict

. I'm high value in terms of career and physical appearance, but a complete beta faggot when it comes to her, and basically every long term relationship I've had. NMNG hit the nail on the head in terms of my life story. BTW, lifting, reading and devouring all the info in the sidebar. Rollos work really grounds me. At least I'm finally figuring me out. Been like this since a teenager, so I figure it'll take a long long time to fix, but at least I finally have a starting point

[–]KoolAidMan79802 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy

Lost custody of kids and mental problems?

[–]learning0007[S] 7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy

The most important point of that is I thought it was my duty to help her and save her through all her problems. As the sidebar says, the result is the same, they don't appreciate it, and they lose all desire for you sexually, and you end up standing around holding your dick trying to clean up the next mess

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"17 points18 points  (11 children) | Copy

Fuck that "they" shit; it's the sanctuary of the scorned and the pathetic. Women are women, they're not viruses. Men are just as fucking pathetic as women. As you have so artfully demonstrated.

I agree with red that the dumb-asses saying menopause is irrelevant and to simply "attract her, bro" are just that, dumb-asses.

I can tell you first-hand what hardcore hormonal changes - and crazy imbalances - feel like - and they are not simply "another-day-in-the-life" kind of stuff.

You sound like a weak, pathetic asshole, so you're in good company. The challenge is (1) you have a crazy-ass wife whom you wifed-up to stifle your clear and obvious feelings of inadequacy, and (2) that very same wife is unwilling to give hormone therapy a go, for some pretty legitimate reasons.

Were she not a jobless, welfare-collecting, child-losing asshole with mental problems, I would encourage you to help guide her through these challenges.

Since, however, she is in fact a jobless, welfare-collecting, child-losing asshole with mental problems, I would instead encourage you to explore just what... the... fuck... you... are... doing. Whatever it is, it's most certainly not in your best interest, douchebag.

You're not a child.


[–]RedPillGlasses8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy

I used to think PMS and menopause was bullshit too.

Then my Estrogen shot up to 75 due to improper AI on TRT and I was sobbing hysterically because I ran over a squirrel. Crying next to it’s lifeless body, screaming to the sky “TAKE ME INSTEAD!!!”

I believe in PMS now

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Then my Estrogen shot up to 75 due to improper AI on TRT and I was sobbing hysterically because I ran over a squirrel

Interesting. Mine was up to 80 before requesting and estrogen blocker, but I didn’t experience emotional problems like that... just high water retention

[–]RedPillGlasses4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re lucky man.

Or maybe it was that tampon I put up my butt that day

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It was not the E2. You demonstrate how big of a bitch you are daily on here.

[–]RedPillGlasses0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So says the ass licker. What did she have for lunch today?

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Which one of you wants to be Statler?

[–]JoeBuckYourslf0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Im sure that sucked. I had a hard time controlling my e2 this last cycle I ran and basically crashed e2->had estro rebound->crash e2 and repeat for like a month.

When I did bloods my e2 was 160. I was feeling weird as fuck.

Aromasin > adex

[–]RedPillGlasses0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I’ve actually managed to control it with just DIMM now. Which is (hypothetically) more natural than the others.

[–]learning0007[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post, going to take a lot of practice to keep my frame on me

[–]innominating0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nail on the fucking head.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Kind like laid out a paint by number picture for the guy.

What color do you recommend he start with ?

Fuscia ?

[–]learning0007[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

She wont do HRT because she had a bout with breast cancer 8 years ago.

Has she seen a Dr about this? There are safer ways to do HRT for women who have had breast cancer or are higher risk.

[–]ImNotSlash1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Possibly but in my wife's case she tested positive for the brca 1 gene. She had an oopherectomy to be proactive with she claimed killed her drive.

As I've improved myself so has her drive.

But she can't take hrt as multiple doctors have told her it'd negate the surgery.

[–]learning0007[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No she hasn't, recommended hrt well as the natural methods, doesn't want to. But I'm thinking these days, that it still comes down to creating desire, as well as me being a fag and not making my needs a priority.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I partially agree. But, I’d draw a line there, otherwise she’s going to just use it as an excuse whenever convenient.

Is it negotiating sex?

No. It’s not because it’s a basic prerequisite to get her to a normal baseline. You need to get her to a normal baseline in order for her to respond sexually. So, if she’s unwilling to seek medical remedies, I’d consider that a dealbreaker. This chick has manipulated you every step along the way. Do you want to live the rest of your life with this bullshit? You’ll regret it if you do.

[–]NoCoast821 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Get her on hormone replacement therapy

It will likely improve her sex drive at the slight cost of increasing here likelyhood of breast cancer by nearly 300% over the next 10 years.

Hormones matter

I feel like a lot of guys around here don't do the reading.

Put her out to pasture, or double mastectomy + hormone therapy and her vag can get wet again

[–]Perfectinmyeyes1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think you got your work cut out for you. Here is the thing thou... As mentioned rp fixes the man not the marriage.

So weather you do the rp or not and weather you stay with this woman or not, its up to you.

Why not work on you so you perhaps can have a more fulfilling marriage... And if not your next one will have a better chance.

Forget all that negative talk about feeling bad and ashamed.

[–]learning0007[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the reply. I'm doing massive amounts of reading, which i enjoy. Finally getting back to the gym, for me. Hanging with my buddies weekly, and doing well at work. And for the first time in my life, thinking about my frame and what it means to be a man. One of things this forum helps a lot with is to see how many guys who are successful in life go through the same shit as me.

I have no idea what's going to happen to our relationship, and I'm not doing this stuff for that. It's to break a sucky way of life that I created after puberty. Because even if I ended it with her today, it would just be the same with the next one.

[–]DirtyNuke1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

As an older guy with a 20-year PM (full hysterectomy in her 40's) all the sidebar, theory and practices apply but the most important thing is get on OYS. If you're not posting OYS, why not?

[–]learning0007[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I need to start one, basically because I'm angry and ashamed of myself for my beta behavior with women all these years. Just writing that makes me nauseous

[–]Smuggler-Tuek2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

All the more reason to do it.

[–]DirtyNuke1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Think of it as being sick with the flu - needing to puke for years, holding it in and then finally letting it go. It's the only way to get better. Besides, getting your ass kicked every week is good for your soul. Ask me how I know.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

The reasons for desire are universal for all women regardless of age. Security is only higher for older women.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Disagree in this specific use case.

See my reply.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agree. No juice for a good reason, no buzz.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Serious as fuck- do the work and glass will be trodden over to fuck you. By her or any other post wall meno woman.

The aggressiveness at the meno age is far different than the baby making years. Put your seat belt on - if your man enough

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OP make no mistake that RP can help you.

Whether you can save this relationship, that you have described as a dumpster fire that Capt Sav-A-Hoe (you) set on fire, and, you keep feeding, is another question.

You get what you deserve, as a result of your actions as a man. It is your actions not your words that matter. As you know, your actions so far are crap.

Yes, you can learn to better yourself, save yourself using RP over time. Again, whether the relationship survives is not up to you anyway.

One more thing. Don't expect her to get all wet for you, when she literally can't. Many women can't do the HRT and expecting any different is just stupid. She can have (gain) the desire to please you, even if her jolly button is worn out (won't get wet by itself).

Based on what little you've done so far, that's all you get.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So, it sounds like you feel you are being manipulated. Why are you still with this woman? You know, you do have a choice every day.

[–]learning0007[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ended it with her last week. Latest blowup, while my fault for not leading all these years, was unacceptable. Going forward, lifting, reading, my career, and plate spinning, in that order.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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