An interesting case of a famous (super high SMV) woman trying to make me her orbiter, and how I plan to deal with it.

2015-03-12T13:59:35+00:00

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User-31f64a4e · 2015-03-12T11:39:41+00:00

So here is what I'm doing. Asking her politely to please stop touching me so much as it is distracting me.

Your approach here is ... ask her to do something, for your benefit. I don't see that ending well.

You could ask her to do it for her own benefit, like "so they don't think you're sleeping with me" or some such. I think I would try for something along this line.

You can do it as a choice, as in back off or face whatever consequences you can mete out. If in fact you are in a position to mete out consequences ... otherwise don't go there, if your bluff gets called then things are even worse.

EDIT - I also like the reply that said you can fuck her. Up your game and go for it. If you're too persistent with that, it's also possible she might back away ...

csehszlovakze · 2015-03-12T11:32:42+00:00

You're clearly getting oneitis, which means you'll have to distance yourself from her, let her be "helped" by the other guys. "Don't shit where you eat" applies as well.

Stayinghereforreal · 2015-03-12T12:38:36+00:00

God, man, stop the simpering.

Solution: stop giving her lessons and cut her out of your life. Completely. Don't give her the option, just cut her out of your life. No contact.

"But, but, but...." you simper, and then provide excuses why you cannot? Then you are not serious about solving this problem. Come back when you are serious.

Now I used to just have fun with the attention, but honestly, it is getting me too horny and I am starting to become jealous if she even talks to another guy.

Why? If anything, her conduct towards you should be making you feel disgust. She thinks you are just some sort of validation vending machine, not a man. She drops a few coins of attention in, and you spit out your devotion/validation/whatever. She then moves on to the next validation vending machine, and does that there.

See her not as that really hot outside body and face, but as the utter emotional wreck she is inside. Remind yourself constantly how her story ends: badly. Then remind yourself that you give no fucks about her or her antics. And of course, go find a woman who is actually interested in having sex with you, not just teasing you for validation.

RAGING_ERECTION · 2015-03-12T15:42:06+00:00

I don't really like using PUA terms here but I think they are applicable. She is basically shit testing you.

Neg her hard. Even better if it's in front of other people ("Hey everyone look at X, that is NOT the correct way of doing things")
Tell her with a straight face that she can't touch you.
Ignore her attention seeking.
Apply dread game / make her jealous by focusing your attention on another girl in the group, even better if it's someone she hates

Congrats, she will be sucking your dick in the changing room before you know it.

confuseacatlmtd · 2015-03-12T12:30:38+00:00

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2015-03-12T11:00:29+00:00

man up and tell the cunt to fuck off, unfortunately the indignation will make her horny so it wont eliminate the problem.

johnnight · 2015-03-12T23:30:21+00:00

Go black knight: "Is that a wrinkle? Is that a gray hair? Aren't you a little big for those clothes?"

She is all about her sexual power and using it on men. It's a fun game for her and she specializes in it. Make her insecure about losing it.

HalfPastTuna · 2015-03-12T11:27:24+00:00

You can fuck her. Just work around the BS.

2015-03-12T14:40:25+00:00

How do you know she's not into you? Women have one type; alpha.
If You're not alpha yet, then fine, you know she's going for orbit. But you are still getting one-itis. This shows a lack of abundance that you need to work on.
It also shows you need to learn to self validate. She should not be able to distract you from your work or make you jealous.

Upvote_To_The_Left · 2015-03-12T16:09:11+00:00

You're dealing with a person who is very used to manipulating men with her looks and value. The best way to handle this is to simply ignore her. it's that simple.

DONT TALK TO HER ABOUT IT, dont bring it up, dont acknowledged her. Act like you are in an amazing committed relationship and you're getting mind blowing sex 3 times a week. take up that frame. Dont fall back on some wimpy bullshit where you politely ask her to stop. come on dude... This chick is a pro manipulator. if you ask her to stop she will have won because all her manipulations have finally got to you and you had to say something. FUCK THAT.

Ignore her, treat her like the least interesting person in the class, the fatty, the boring loser dude, the smelly chick, the grandma, whatever you need to do to stop treating her exactly like she expects. Treat her like the most average person in the world.

If you do this two things will happen, she will either leave you alone, or her hamster will spin out of control and she will ramp up the attention whoring. If she does the latter than you are in control since now she is reacting to you.

whatever you do dont talk to her about it. that's wussy shit.

and in the meantime, go on some fucking dates so your mind isnt occupied with her and you dont need to write an post about it.

machimus · 2015-03-12T17:14:10+00:00

Your big problem is she's teasing you too much? Just take it out on some other girl.

If I had blue balls because taylor swift kept touching me in a pilates class I taught, I'd consider that a first world problem, friend-o.

Stories_of_Red · 2015-03-12T10:41:37+00:00

It might be wise to just remove her as a client entirely and or file a sexual harassment claim.

SpaceCrunch · 2015-03-12T15:21:47+00:00

This is a "petty tyrant." She is fucking with you. You can see it as an opportunity to boost your spiritual (TRP) power to the max. Play it so cool that you transcend to witch doctor level.

rp-oldgame · 2015-03-12T16:44:38+00:00

I say you go the old school Styles / Mystery route and when she touches you remove her hands and tell her it costs $30 / $50 / $100 every time she touches you. She'll put her hands right back on you and just remove them and say, Ok, that's $200 so far.

If she's trying to monopolize your time tell her she needs to pay for private lessons.

2015-03-12T19:38:07+00:00

I seldom make solid finalized statements. Also, I'm merely 22 so take that into account. Now here goes.

Nope. Don't do this, sir.

Asking her politely to please stop touching me so much as it is distracting me.

Read as: Talking to her directly about something that was not even verbalized at all.

Again, sir. Don't. Don't also fire her as a client because it means the same thing in the end: you are affected.

The game was played in a subtle manner, so you also have to play it in the same fashion. In women's world, talking directly is seen as a last resort, i.e., all your "mind game" powers are now exhausted so you now resort to direct communication. Also, this whole flirting, banter, and sexualized jokes thing are so very totally plausibly deniable. What will happen here is somewhere along the lines of her laughing at you saying, "What are you talking about?" You'll end up being a joke, a horny pseudo-celebrity teacher of a joke. She might even just say, "Ok," then leave it at that, but once she's on a girl's night out, she'll go, "Haha, there's this teacher at this gym. He talked to me about stopping flirting with him, and I'm not even doing anything. Can you believe that?" Then insert her girlfriends laughing at you. She is doing this for sport. Whether she's a fucking celebrity or not doesn't matter. Girls will do this if they could, probably because of insecurity, but whatever it is, it's not your problem. Remember, you're a teacher dealing with lots of women so you are sort of a pseudo-celebrity in a class of women. That makes you a prize. But she's not looking to tame the deer; she's aiming to shoot you in the leg and cut off the your head and add it to her taxidermy collection.

Here's the game plan. The scenario is a mind game, so you start with your own mind. Reframe it this way. You have two things to lose here: your status at work and your status as a man (an RP man with pride and dignity). So don't ever lose this shit. She's so pretty? Who fucking cares?

All pussy are the same when the lights are dim. -Benjamin Franklin

Don't give a shit about her face and body, man. Power in male-female dynamics isn't just about physically walking away, it's also and more importantly about psychologically walking away. If you're thinking imagining her face getting wrinkled is the way, no it isn't. That's going to bite you in the ass in a few seconds, because that's like trying your best to stop thinking about blue oranges. Instead, accept it that she's hot and she's flirting you for sport, she's consciously trying to give you oneitis, and because you know it, you're gonna not fall for it, because if you ever did, I'll bet you stories about that "direct communication" will leak out. That story is so going to reach other women where you had a real chance of getting it into, and their attraction will start to dry up faster than water sprayed on hot iron. But instead, if you start ignoring her, you have a chance of getting her frustrated and attracted to you, girls around you will start noticing that her flirtations are starting to get real and now you get some leverage for it. Out of her frustrations, she might start talking shit about you, but I swear, girls know it when a girl is talking shit to a guy out of frustration and it's only going to help you pull more into you. But no, hell fucking no, sir, don't ever in any single moment of your life try to reciprocate because that attraction and that alone is what she's only after. Just one fucking IOI from you and it's all fucking over -- you'll get less than you could've have pulled.

So that's basically what that shit of a celebrity is to you now: Either she is tool that you can use to leverage for other opportunities with women, or a useless flirter to be ignored and a client that you'll keep around because she's paying you.

runnerrun2 · 2015-03-12T11:36:23+00:00

I would honestly consider recording some of her inappropriate actions and filing a sexual harassment lawsuit against her. Aside from helping you get rich, it will set an example for other women out there not to treat men like dogs they can just call for whenever they want something to play with. Also, equality bitches.

Johnny10toes · 2015-03-12T13:45:12+00:00

Sounds like the chase gets her off. She sounds like a big tease. It's like a rat going through the maze and not having any cheese at the end.

1NV0K3R · 2015-03-12T14:31:54+00:00

Hey /u/confusecatlmtd, what's the weather like in her frame?

kick6 · 2015-03-12T18:06:09+00:00

I know you don't think you'll get the smash, but you should push for sex anyway. Why? Because there's no other way to show her that you have no interest in being her orbiter. If she doesn't want the D...she'll leave you alone entirely (after a period of trying to get you back in orbit). Or, you might fuck her.

win-win.

aesthetics4ever · 2015-03-12T19:48:29+00:00

Why not take advantage of the situation OP. Use her affections to so other women how valued you are. If she has high SMV as you say she does, she can only be helping your game.

2015-03-13T01:30:06+00:00

These type are annoying. I had a similar issue with an old law school classmate. We got to the same gym sometimes. If she sees me she comes over and talks to me. Even when I've been covered in sweat she'll find an excuse to touch me and pat me on the back.

I nailed two of her friends in law school. One was cute, one was hotter than her (we both were into BDSM so we fooled around for a year). So she knows my deal. She asks me sex questions on ocassion. When she met my fiancee she got jealous as all get out and I caught her mean mugging my fiancee at the gym and finding every excuse to talk to me as much as possible, on a couple of occassions interrupting a conversation I was having with my fiancee.

Finally one day she crossed the one and asked if I had ever considered her for romance back in law school. I smiled and said no. She was taken aback (she's a low seven who thinks she's a solid eight). I walked away and went to the hammer strength machine i wanted to lift on. She followed me and asked why. I told her she wasn't sexy enough. She's "hawt" but doesn't mean she's sexy, and that I thought my cute chubby fiancee was a ton more sexy, her friend Diana was way more sexy than her, and her friend Erin (the submissive) was leagues more sexy than her.

All the games stopped. All her attention stopped. She was annoying and causing me trouble. My fiancee isn't a jealous sort but this gal took it too far.

Either shut it down or play it out. But don't take it seriously. She won't ever fuck you. She'll play you, she'll toy with you, and you'll get more satisfaction from a shower curtain than her. So put down that bitch.

When she touches you, chuckle and tell her to stop, you've got a chance to get lucky and her touching you is like boner poison. When she guffaws just tell her she burned out your interest in her so much that you found a woman to grudge fuck and after a few hours of rough fucking the woman while thinking of her. You were done with, all used up and empty. She'll take it as a challenge possibly. If she does than make a joke out of it. Make her your "fluffer" when you see her joke about a date you have that night and you need some fluffing so you can give the gal a good few hours of rough fucking.

Women used to smack me in high school for the shit that came out of my mouth, till I told them it turned me on, got me riled up to fuck them rough and naughty. Have some fun with it, she's not giving you any pussy.

2015-03-12T15:17:07+00:00

I don't have any input other than to say I'm interested to see how this works out.

zephyrprime · 2015-03-12T15:17:36+00:00

Stop being polite. You gotta bitch slap this girl back into her place.

asdfghjkltyu · 2015-03-12T15:18:36+00:00

If I ever get the inkling a woman I associate with is trying to make me her orbiter I just ignore her for a while. Quite literally just don't speak to her, walk past her. If she engages you speak to her, but put no effort in. Their utter shock is always worth it.

ConfidenceMatters · 2015-03-12T17:37:33+00:00

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/04/12/how-to-treat-a-beautiful-woman-like-a-plain-woman/

You owe me pics, asshole

Miragio · 2015-03-12T19:04:07+00:00

So here is what I'm doing. Asking her politely to please stop touching me so much as it is distracting me.

I know you're not asking for advice, but I just wanna say that this should've been the first thing you did-- the very first time she touched you in a way irrelevant to your Teacher/Student arrangement.

In Game, this is used as reverse-psychology, because, typically, you want the girl to touch you (or at least you don't mind it); you just don't want her getting the impression that her 'pedestalized hand' resting upon your 'peasant frame' in any way validates you-- Because it doesn't. Your value is higher than, and independent of hers. It also checks her on her society-granted privileged behavior (i.e. I can touch you but you can't touch me). This works to your advantage if you want her to be the orbiter.

But outside of Game, it simply means "Please, don't touch me". It's not rude ask her to respect your boundaries. For all she knows, you could be unavailable; involved with someone else. Tell her that, even. AAMOF, I've found that, in many situations, it helps to adopt the mental frame of a man who's already in a committed relationship with a high-value woman. Think about it; Would a guy who's openly and happily dating Emma Stone wanna be clawed at by some borderline-basic bitch? Probably not.

And yes-- Even though the unnamed famous celebrity client you're referring to may very well BE Emma Stone (which would make my above example hilariously counter-productive), she's still a basic bitch if she's disrespecting you and overstepping your boundaries and the boundaries of your implied or supposed relationship. It's all about setting the frame.

Now, you're above her beta-hoarding mindgames, above her shit tests (not all of them, lol), and you're no longer the low-hanging fruit she took you for. It doesn't matter if she has the resources/access to find out that you're actually not seeing anyone; this still cuts through a lot of the bullshit, which is important if you're about your money.

This one, simple gambit would have done wonders for your situation before it even got out of hand. Which is funny because it doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of Game. Don't take this as me preaching to you, though, because I'm still learning too. I'm just sharing what's worked for me thus far.

tl;dr - You've got some reading to do

(tfw you realize tl;dr version is essentially exponentially longer than the long version of the post)

Hopefully she will just not show up again after that.

My question is, if this was a suitable outcome for you all along ("I don't need her business if this is what I'll have to tolerate in exchange for it"), why not just drop her as client altogether? Upon realizing she was more trouble than she was worth, couldn't you have just referred her to someone else? Hoping she just decides not to come back still leaves the ball in her court when it should be in yours. You're not the client, she is.

It sounds like there's something you're not telling us. Which is fine. I just think it's strange that you feel as if your arm is being twisted here...

2015-03-12T19:15:43+00:00

When I dare went to talk to someone else, she got other guys to help her and kept watching my reaction.

That is exactly what you need to do.

When I didn't react she started touching their arm. I cared more about losing face and so went back to "mate guard" this girl who is not my mate.

Why? Stop letting her control you.

TheBadGod · 2015-03-12T20:16:16+00:00

Thst happened to me once.

Eventually she met one of my plates at a bar we frequent. When my back was turned, my plate shit-stomped her on the ground.

Needless to say, I upgraded my plate to my current LTR.

Give that a shot.

TRPLeftist · 2015-03-12T20:42:19+00:00

You should use her as an orbiter, invite her places and use her to up your game.

Heizenbrg · 2015-03-12T20:55:54+00:00

I hope that she does it during your private lessons, otherwise that is truly unprofessional behavior for you to not reprimand a client that acts like that.
As a client If I saw the teacher eye-fucking a client like that I'd leave. Should've solved this sooner!

BBB2000 · 2015-03-12T21:28:49+00:00

Girls don't tease alphas like this because they know the man will take these sexual teases and increase the sexuality back. they love to tease guys though who they know like them but are too afraid too ramp up the escalation.

If a girl starts saying that shit to a alpha he will slap her ass three times as hard, call her his little bitch, and tell her to get on the ground to suck his cock.

.....I think this chick has some attraction towards you but she thinks your a whimp. (she's messed up in the head for teasing you though)

Don't be phased by it. Lots of opportunity for push pull her. Boss her around. Get playful, JOKE. Tease back. Don't take this seriously, use it as an opportunity to ESCALATE. Get your hands off of me you pervert ! ..you think I'm just a piece of meat ?......god you have a nice ass, and if you touch me again, I'm gonna have to do dirty things to you

...If you keep doing x.....I'm going to have to do x.....(builds sexual tension)

Eventually it will get to the point where you both just grope each other and talk about sex so much sex is bound to happen.

You are reading this wrong op, she likes and is waiting for you to escalate. I guarantee if you do escalate she will either go with it or back off and stop touching you if she truly isn't interested.

Steve_Wiener · 2015-03-12T22:02:03+00:00

If she says she won't hook up w you and continues to flirt and touch and even make sex jokes, she's straight up torturing you, dude. Maybe for her sick psyche or maybe because she's just a little slut and your the highest SMV guy around at the moment.

Either way you should confront her and tell her to stop or cut her out of your life or classes completely.

sigmayogi · 2015-03-13T03:28:54+00:00

Go direct. Escalate. Repeat a couple of times. If no reciprocation - go into complete radio silence. She doesn't exist. NEXT.

And when I say go direct, pull her towards you, 90% rule makeout etc... I am not entirely sure you have done this yet.

Don't ask her to stop anything. Just don't respond. Use her as a prop in front of other women while semi ignoring her but staying polite - she is useful to demonstrate your SMV.

LukesLikeIt · 2015-03-13T01:48:07+00:00

Sounds like she's sexually experienced enough to pick up on and realise your desire to fuck her. She's doesn't feel the same but enjoys playing with you while maintaining her smv as a desirable female.

cascadecombo · 2015-03-13T02:12:39+00:00

Don't explain, just ignore.

Explaining will give her a huge mental victory and may push her to see if she can push the card farther with you. Just because she can.

screamingATtrees · 2015-03-13T02:14:35+00:00

Start telling her you know a guy perfect for her and start making the face of smelling rancid shit when she touches you..be sure to wipe the spot where she touched you while making that face.

2015-03-13T06:41:12+00:00

I know this type. They love love love it. you're like a mouse and she's a cat.

I wouldn't blatantly tell her "stop touching me" I would blatantly escalate this as far as can take it. "Come to my place after class" "you like playing with me don't you. Well I wanna play with you" things like that. No dates. No drinks. Just come to my house and let's fuck type shit. If she tries to hang out outside your pad then dont do it. Stop even looking at her when she talks to other guys. After she does, go crack jokes with the dude and rib with him a little. Put her on the spot. Either stop teasing or start fucking. After a few times of this either she will fuck or she will stop teasing, or she will stop coming.

slcjosh · 2015-03-14T23:52:13+00:00

You should let her know you can't work with her anymore and end the relationship. Its unprofessional.

2015-03-12T15:27:33+00:00

"The problem is that she will not keep her God damn hands off me, to the point where it is distracting and affecting my teaching. Every time she talks to me she is touching my arm, my pecks, leaning against me or standing a few inches away from my face. She will playfully poke me, hit me, slap me (in the fucking face) and spank me. She even likes being spanked. Along with this, she will also make a bunch of sex jokes about us.

I know what you're thinking, but trust me, guys, I've received enough indicators that she does not view me in that way."

And what indicators might these be, hmmmmmm??? You never listed them. As far as I'm concerned, she's begging you to make a move. At the very least, she's sending you mixed signals, which is actually a seduction tactic of push / pull.

The next time she gets in your face and starts touching you, what have you got to lose by gently putting your hand on the back her head and planting one on her lips? Nothing. If she protests, you just say, smoothly and glibly, "Well, the way you keep fondling me all the time, I thought this is what YOU wanted."

You should have acted much sooner. At this point, it's probably better to just move on.

2015-03-12T18:04:34+00:00

Heh. I remember dealing with a woman who was pulling this crap. Not nearly as high SMV as you actress/model/whatever, but I'm not exactly a young Fabio myself.

So I pulled her aside and basically read her the riot act. Finally she said something like "I don't understand it myself. I don't want you that way, but I don't want other women to have you either." This was before TRP even existed, so I didn't have a word for "beta orbiter", but I knew this wasn't going to be a good association for me.

TheRedThrowAwayPill · 2015-03-12T19:49:18+00:00

I wouldn't recommend this for people in real life ...

But for some reason I think you should just hire an escort or a friend to show up when she's there and be touchy feely with you and take her home when your done. All the while making sure famous girl sees you.

Make sense?

1independentmale · 2015-03-12T15:00:16+00:00

This may be silly, but have you tried touching her back every time she touches you? I'd make a game of it. She touches your arm, you touch hers. She playfully slaps your ass, you slap hers, or escalate and briefly grab a handful. Personally, I'd find that a hell of a lot more fun than having an awkward conversation about boundaries.

cover20 · 2015-03-13T03:23:05+00:00

Do what a woman would do if genders were flipped. Tell her politely to keep her hands off you, publicly. (This will decrease the compliance of other guys with her, a nice revenge.) And if she doesn't comply, after maybe one more polite request, call the cops.

Shut this cock teasing shit down.

svogliate · Fri Mar 13 5:41:22 2015 UTC

trust me, guys, I've received enough indicators that she does not view me in that way.

This is the only factual sentence in the piece. The rest is hamstering.

The fact is not a fact about her, though. It's a fact about you. You've totally internalized her shit test, she doesn't even have to hamster at you. You do the job for her.

If you want to fuck this gal, fuck her. If you want to be her damn orbiter, orbit her. Why the fuck do we have to hear about it?

Strangeclouds420 · 2015-03-12T15:11:52+00:00

You got to let her see you fucking with equally high bitches. Chicks at that level need pre-selection as well as attraction. Even ask her if she has some hot friends if you ever ask her to to out, if she says no then say nevermind to asking her out. Just start putting her in the male version of the friend zone where you just use her as a tool to get other ass. She'll sense this and will come around on a random night when you weren't even prepared for it.

Title	An interesting case of a famous (super high SMV) woman trying to make me her orbiter, and how I plan to deal with it.
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Date	March 12, 2015 9:57 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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