[CMV] It doesn't take years of lifting for men to have an attractive body.

reluctantly_red · 2019-12-23T08:01:27+00:00

I suggest your anecdata may be tarnished by a confounding variable such as halo effect from being handsome or particularly charismatic. “Multiple girls on campus” do not bother commenting when unknown, socially inert uggo gains 15 lbs of muscle. The fact that “multiple women” are aware enough of your existence to track how you changed likely means you were already popular, and therefore, already attractive even before working out.

Also, dont underestimate the impact of a robust frame. Having broad shoulders, big ribcage, lantern jaw etc can make you seem like giga nigga despite not having all that much muscle

ZealousidealIce2 · 2019-12-23T08:19:17+00:00

holy moly, this is such as "I am great" post.

Anyway, women, just like men, don't care how long or how much you lift. They care about the results. If you look fit and have good shape then they find you more sexually appealing. You don't see women fawn over long-distance triathletes or marathoners despite their amazing conditioning.

To be honest, your personal experience is largely irrelevant. Every person is different. Some men are so massively obese they need years to training to get abs. Others, maybe like you, just need a good exercise regimen.

JaJammerJan · 2019-12-23T10:59:52+00:00

All this proves is that if you have a good face like you, girls will compliment your mediocre body and other mediocre characteristics aswell.

You're only confirming the halo effect. Some facially average/below-average guy with a body much better than yours after years of lifting is lucky to get half the compliments you get.

Eastuss · 2019-12-23T10:03:59+00:00

blablabla humble brag, blablabla bullshit

You made your whole post knowing how attractive you are and how most people and yourself are biased because of it. "I heard that multiple girls on campus had said things like 'holy fuck' or 'oh my god" "I have only hooked up via tindering", not average at all.

It's always about genetics. Good skeletal frame will look good as long as it's not fat, any amount of effort to grow muscle will look instantly super good as well. Everyone else will look good only and only if they're low BF.

Same thing happens with women, the only body types that work are pear and hourglass, no matter if they're fat, skinny fat, toned, or just slim. Every other body type needs to be low BF or they kinda suck. Though this is less noticeable because of men's lower standards.

There are also genetics, age, diet and starting point. You were a regular 20 yo dude who started lifting, obviously you got great results in short times and stayed relatively lean. I'm 5'5, always have been chubby, am endomorphic (wide shoulders, wide hips), and have had bad diet, at 20 I could grow strength quickly but not muscle mass, muscle mass accumulated slowly through time.

SmurfESmurferson · 2019-12-23T08:43:49+00:00

Did you just say that Brad Pitt in Fight Club is “mediocre”?

I don’t even go for that aesthetic (Thomas Crowne all day, for me) but WTF?

binkerfluid · 2019-12-23T11:09:14+00:00

yeah, i dont think they like huge muscle guys but they want visible muscles and little fat

also certain body proportions (try being short with a long torso/shorter arms and legs combo lol)

I think tons of muscles can be a turn off to some women but who knows.

AntifaSuperSwoledier · 2019-12-23T13:28:00+00:00

Just not being fat already puts you ahead of everyone else.

NeedingAdvice86 · 2019-12-23T15:57:06+00:00

Dude....let me clue you in a bit.

I was in the same boat...you are attractive so yeah, it doesn't require as much work....and no your body isn't the reason for those compliments...it is that you are naturally attractive.

I was in the same boat and just assumed that ALL guys had girls track them down as they left bars to give their numbers, had girls on the dance team get GFs to set up blind dates, got tracked down thru the student register once, etc...…it is impossible for naturally attractive guys to give advice to regular guys.

I would say that I was in the 7/8 out of 10 scale....….didn't always know it at the time, had a lot of interest which wasn't the norm for regular guys so my advice sucked but also had one friend who was a 9/10 out of 10...he was even worst than I was in giving advice. His advice was ALWAYS...just be more aggressive and forward.....for obvious reasons because his ONLY problem to get a girl was coming off as not interested\standoffish\stuck up....so when he showed interest, panties dropped and the deal was done...but that isn't the case for 95 out of 100 dudes.

So my advice about working out when I am a 6-2, 200lb athlete means nothing to a guy with a smaller frame of slower metabolism.....it takes some pretty significant work. My work was because it was work for my scholarship but it was work nonetheless.....and hard......I was lucky as well as I could eat anything and had zero fat but that wasn't the case for two of my roommates who metabolism slowed way down for some reason once they reached 20...one went from a tall, swimmer looking body to struggling massively to control his weight...he ballooned to 240lbs and the other was shorter and had to work his arse off in the weight room to keep from being soft, blobby.

Truedemocracy5 · 2019-12-23T16:17:39+00:00

This is true. If you’re in lifting circles or go on bodybuilding message boards you’ll have a pretty warped view

I’ve been working out regularly for 5 years and lifting not for about 2. By any conventional lifting measures Im between a novice and intermediate. I’m 6’3 and around 205. I can only bench 225 for ONE REP. Despite that I get called:

jacked
built like a super hero
built like Gaston
muscular

From social circles of men and women. At my gym I’m definitely on the weaker side of men is the best part.

You’ll never see a bigger difference in treatment of others than in your first year of lifting. Go from flab to some muscle will turn more heads than some muscle to a good amount of muscle. After 1-2 years any returns start diminishing quickly based on time spent in the gym. That doesn’t mean don’t lift, it just means don’t expect linear results.

Women don’t want a jacked body they want an athletic body. That means low body fat % and visible muscles. Being built like a boulder isn’t ideal. That said there is no such thing as getting “too big” for women naturally

xXxINCELFAGGOTxXx · 2019-12-23T08:11:47+00:00

155 lbs

buff guy

hmmmmmm

You might just have a great bone structure that allows you to look "wide".

DubsPackage · 2019-12-23T10:20:28+00:00

"After only 2 years in the gym I went from Brad to Chad."

reluctantly_red · 2019-12-23T15:40:02+00:00

Guy who's lifting numbers are better than 99 percent of guys out there wants us to believe he has an unremarkable body.

ItsOverBoyosLDAR · 2019-12-23T15:46:11+00:00

It absoultely takes years of lifting to deveolop an attractive body. Especially if you don't want to look like a skinnyfat non-lifting phaggot with clothes on.

nevomintoarce · 2019-12-23T08:19:04+00:00

It doesn't take years to get to the type of body women like because the athletes we like the most are swimmers, soccer players etc. Literally any moderately fit dude who isn't fat has an attractive body.

Not the "I hAvE a LoT oF mUsClE uNdErNeAtH i'M rEaLly StRoNg I bEnCh PrEsS 500" types who have no definition and bubble guts.

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AxeLond · 2019-12-23T13:31:22+00:00

Pretty much the same, went from 200 pounds to 135 lb to 150 lb in the span of like 18 months.

I'll bet you anyone that says this post is bragging haven't tried seriously going to the gym for more than a couple months.

Going to the gym 2-3 times/week for a year gets you a good looking body in no time. That said, Women definitely don't understand the dedication and time it takes to get an amazing body from lifting.

The first year is like a freebie, easy quick gains for relatively little effort. Going the next level takes and insane amount of time and dedication. Getting a perfect body takes many many years of managing diet, bulking, cutting for small improvements, 15% body fat to 11% to 8% is completely different leagues of effort, while to most women it all looks pretty similar.

CHAD_TDK · 2019-12-23T13:34:03+00:00

It took me about 3 years to go from skinny-fat to a body where my friends at the beach said "WOW"

Workaholiconew · 2019-12-23T14:23:14+00:00

It doesn't take years of lifting for men to have an attractive body.

... If he already is attractive, just not enough to attract most women.

You have to consider that TRP is not for those already atractive, its primary goal was to help those lower,

You cannot say it will be any less than some years work for guys which fingers are bigger than their arms or a guys double or triple their acceptable weight.

[deleted] · 2019-12-23T14:40:35+00:00

I fell into this trap at college. Started to hit the iron hard and tried to get as big as possible. All the guys would tell me how “jacked” I was, but when I look at pics of me from then I looked like a power lifter. Cutting down from the 20-25% bf range to the 10-14% range has been a complete life- changer. I am weaker than I was. (but I do look more jacked than that Brad Pitt physique) Overall, being lean with some muscle trumps being jacked imo depending on other stats.

HeckleandChide · 2019-12-23T17:07:27+00:00

I'm one of the guys OP cited so here are a few thoughts.

First, OP is either disingenuous or bad at reading comprehension. I didn't make any claims about a "good" bod or an "attractive" bod. I made claims about how long it takes to have a "great" bod. OP, you might want to learn the difference between good and great before you hit the workforce. Or maybe this is all just a strawman jerk-off exercise. Don't really care.

Second, no one, and I mean not even your mom, gives a shit about people calling someone "big man" or saying "oh my god" when you take your shirt off. You might want to grow up a little.

Third, chicks lie and exaggerate. Your GF saw you put some effort into getting fit so she over-complimented you to make you more motivated to keep going. That shit happens all the time and it takes a remarkably clueless person not to pick up on it.

AlexanderTheGreat08 · 2019-12-23T17:24:41+00:00

Good genetics i guess

CamoWoobie420 · 2019-12-23T18:02:51+00:00

It depends on the woman of course but there are a lot of women who prefer guys who are rail thin, which takes absolutely 0 days in the gym. Regardless of their preference between muscular/thin, thin beats out fat/chubby every time and chubby/fat guys are the majority of the population in America. There are plently of chads who have no muscle. Theyre the prettyboy type.

G77R23D · 2019-12-23T20:40:55+00:00

GennyX · 2019-12-23T09:12:59+00:00

As a woman, I agree.

Title	[CMV] It doesn't take years of lifting for men to have an attractive body.
Author	imissmygfsomuch
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Date	December 23, 2019 7:57 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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