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Women are LEGIT scared of ugly men who show interest. Same thing in the animal kingdom.

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Title Women are LEGIT scared of ugly men who show interest. Same thing in the animal kingdom.
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Date May 28, 2015 8:55 AM UTC
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[–]warcroft40 points41 points42 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Look how scruffy and lifeless the Betatans hair is. Then look at the Alphatans hair.

[–]nogtobaggan68 points69 points70 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He just needs to lift more. But AOALT.

[–]laere14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just look at their facial expressions, eyes, mouth, etc.

The beta looks all wide eyed smiling, the alpha has sort of those "dreamy" eyes with a sly smirk on his face.

[–]tompanz21 points22 points23 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He looks like he should be wearing a fadora with that scraggly hair.

[–]reddumpling2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The beta looks as if it is balding

[–]JJonesWisco2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just look at the look in the Alpha's eyes versus the Beta. It says everything there is to say.

[–]warcroft0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alphas got those bedroom eyes.

[–]prodigy2throw15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

If she percieved your smv to be lower than hers you're not a man in her eyes. Go to the gym and observe the hot girl (in a not creepy way, in between sets off course) and how she reacts to the chubster losers and nerds and then contrast with the ripped jocks. Chubsters get treated less than human.

Its VERY unsettling at first but you need to remind yourself the ripped alpha is the goal.

[–]herpes_delivery_man 90 points90 points90 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

High SMV Alpha guys literally stand in the club and women will approach them. He goes home with her and fucks her, and the bitch cooks him breakfast for him in the morning

Low SMV Beta men wander around hitting on every women in the club, even following around some females. They get labeled as a creep and security throws them out. He goes home, masturbates and cries himself to sleep.

lol life is unfair bruh.

[–]Smooovies43 points44 points45 points 11 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Another brilliant insight from Herpes_Delivery_Man.

[–]bitches_be_crazy869 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

well he delivered didn't he ?

[–]garlicextract3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope not. You'd have to let us know.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

nightclubs are a scam for men if you're sub7 in looks

[–]Rebooted-Z0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I've seen a 7/10 college mate being used as mobile atm for drinks by 6+ in the clubs before. Total scam.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

More or less. You CAN overcome your ugly face in a night club if you are a smooth talker, but there are way, way more profitable venues if you're looking optimize your effort-to-lay ratio.

[–]Darkwoodz0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's difficult to talk over blaring music.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, by "smooth talker" I was also referring to body language and overall game but you're still preaching to the choir. I don't go to night clubs because, for me, the only fun thing in them is the women there and if I want to fuck them there are much easier ways. Frankly, I don't feel like paying through the teeth for shitty watered down liquor while being forced to listen to "NIGUH THUG BYTCH TRICK HO" at ear-damaging decibels.

[–]Darkwoodz0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I get drunk before hand and avoid places with a cover. I'm cheap lol

[–]iamaguythrowaway0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Could you tell us more about the easier ways of getting laid?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I mean, if you want to completely and totally minimize effort to lay ratio, get a hooker.

If you're trying to pick girls up, your mileage may vary based on your personality and natural aptitudes. For me it's basically anything but a bar or a night club. You could try online dating but that's more of a numbers game, and you also have to wade through a sea of fatties and flakes to get to the attractive girls. Of course, anytime you are dating women you have to deal with a sea of flakes, so that should be something you inure yourself to.

The thing I've had most success with is day game. It helps if you live near a source of hot young tail - say, a college town - but you could do this probably anywhere that isn't a podunk town. It's simple: anytime you see a cute girl that you really want to talk to, man the fuck up and go say hi to her. Don't give yourself a chance to pussy out about it (and in the beginning, your brain will come up with endless reasons for you to bail. Just go.) Speak slowly and deeply.

If you can't think of something clever or charming to say to start a conversation, that's fine; there's a "routine" I use. I don't really advocate for the use of routines, but this one is okay because it can be as short or as long as you want, and you can lead it wherever you want.

Literally just say "Hey." Then, after they respond, hold your phone out to them and say "put your number in my phone." If they ask why, say "because I said." I have, like, an 80% success rate with this right off the bat. If she says she has a boyfriend, you can usually talk that away too. Very occasionally you'll get a bitchy girl, but whatever - you can maintain frame and just say something like "sorry, I thought you would be better" and walk away, no big deal.

If you're up to it, you can often turn the better interactions into an instadate - depending on the girl's body language or whatever, you can continue the conversation, perhaps even making it meta by referencing your own straightforwardness in a "yeah, I just did that" sort of way (demonstration of your own higher value without seeming like you're bragging). Otherwise, you can disengage move into text game in a couple days. Text game is extremely low effort; if you really want to, you'll find yourself easily getting dozens of numbers in a day, weeding out the obvious flakes over the next few days, and going on a bunch of dates with the top picks the next week.

Now, this is something that has worked regularly for me. Obviously straight up copying that particular routine might not be the best choice for you; the biggest takeaway you should have from this post is that you need to actually approach attractive chicks without hesitation. If you're walking down the sidewalk waiting to cross the street and a hot chick is standing near you, swallow your approach anxiety and just fucking say hi to the bitch. As long as you don't look like a total creep, most women are not going to act like cunts right off the bat; remember that the more alpha you behave, the better women treat you.

Day game extends to a lot of other facets of your life; if you really wanted to, you could put yourself in certain coed spaces which lean towards a lot of women being there. A yoga class, for instance. This depends on how much free time you have - these days I'm pretty busy running my businesses, so I prefer my hobby/leisure time to be taken up by shit I actually want to do. But if you can find a hobby you enjoy and there happen to be a lot of chicks that are involved too? Hunting time.

I know this post ended up pretty long, so again, tl;dr: actually approach chicks in your everyday life. You'll be infinitely more successful than at a bar or night club - perhaps less same day lays, but much more lays overall.

[–]THE_SWAG_CHAMP16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Following around some girls at a club is creepy and pathetic.

[–]herpes_delivery_man 21 points21 points21 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

that's my point tho. You'd be surprised how many guys do that

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

I was at a bar one time with some friends, and when we strolled up to the bar I saw some dude hunched over two females. He was talking to them a little bit, and their body language screamed "I don't like you. Please get away". They kept on looking at each other awkwardly. Then the dude begged them to let him buy them a drink. These chicks weren't special at all. 5s of the most average order.

Yet this dude begged and pleaded to buy them a drink. I'm sure he thought that once he bought them a drink then he would get some sort of play. Of course, he bought them a drink and nothing happened. I just laughed. It was really the first time I saw overtly how pathetic some dudes were.

[–]Smurfboy82-2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Let's be honest; anyone trying too hard at something is kinda sad and pathetic. Which is why women don't find that attribute attractive. I've seen plenty of ugly, fat, balding men with hot women on their arm and not because they have money, it's because they got game.

Yes, of course an Adonis alpha male type will have no trouble attracting females. But beta types can do quite well for themselves if they can just get out of their own way, look past their own insecurities and aquire the confidence they need to portray the image of being masculine.

[–]gopher_glitz1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Then one day the Low SMV beta will meet a post wall low SMV women and they will spawn more low SMV beta kids so the cycle can repeat.

Then their kids can go on to compete in the world with the spawn of people like Laird Hamilton + Gabrielle Reece.

Low SMV people think it is so unfair, yet they gladly repeat the cycle.

[–]herpes_delivery_man 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

lol...

but unattractive couples can produce attractive children.

Take a look at Leonardo Dicaprio's parents....they're not very good looking people.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

How much plastic surgery did his parents have? or did he have?

[–]BrunoOh99 points100 points101 points 11 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

It's not because they are scared of them, it's because they are disgusted of them. Imagine getting knocked up by icky beta sperm!

You can try this yourself, OP. Go up to a girl you know and ask her "Hey, I saw you and [Beta Bob] earlier. Are you two dating or something?" Usually, they'll get this disgusted look on their face and say something like "Ew, no". You might as well have waved a turd in their faces.

[–]screamingATtrees25 points26 points27 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You can even do this right in front of her beta orbiter.

"is this your boyfriend?"

"Omg Ew no, sorry Brian, but just no"

[–]BrunoOh11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've done this before. It's always funny how the beta orbiter gets his hopes up.

[–]Derjenige 23 points23 points23 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You can see the progression.

:D

:)

:|

:(

:((

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

It's funny because I feel like for the dude he thinks he has a chance. It cements it in his mind that he has a chance because he sees (thinks) other people see him as a prospect for her.

Even her public rejection of him will make him feel like he has try a little bit harder. In his mind he still has a chance even after rejection; he just needs to try harder. Then it becomes an issue of "Why won't she see that I am a nice dude? I just want whats best for her."

[–]zephyrprime16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, I believe they are legit scared and disgusted. Think about it. Why would nature hold back on using all the useful emotions it could? Making a female disgusted is fine but make her scared also and she will respond even faster and more strongly to get away from the low quality sperm.

[–][deleted] 3 points3 points3 points 11 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]BrunoOh59 points60 points61 points 11 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Eh, everyone looks like shit in a mugshot.

[–]Bellum00 8 points8 points8 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Cesare Lombroso studied criminals and found them to have distinguishable features. This was ante World War II of course, when eugenetics was accepted.

[–]1Zackcid2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe somebody had posted a collection of those pictures in TRP a year ago. They looked like Mafia criminals and all looked badass, even the "evil point-dexter" looking dude.

[–]MyRedAccount0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They don't truly, if you think the law is made in Washington. If you actually follow the rules, yeah, they're reasonably easy to detect, as are wild hogs(misbehaving cops). You think a good old boy from a good family has to pay the same respects as someone who goes around harming others for no good reason and you're off base. Wear your seat belt, and keep it child safe, follow the rules, and nobody will have a problem with you.

[–]carldrongo-2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

WWOII? (I googled it but couldn't find a definition)

[–]RemyPrice20 points21 points22 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

My mugshot looked really good.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 8 points8 points8 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

didn't realise Jeremy Meeks was a redditor.

[–]Moneyley0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

one of his facebook admirers posted bond for him 10x's over

[–]Solitary_Wolf 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

were they a wealthy woman or a modelling agency?

[–]Moneyley2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Im just sensationalizing man, dont know if one actually did but I wouldnt doubt it

[–]2IVIaskerade0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not everyone looks ugly in their mughshot, but, the people that don't probably aren't actually that appealing in real life, because just like with runway models, what works in bright lights and catwalks doesn't work elsewhere.

[–]supermanspider-2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

True, but it's close to fact that only ugly guys rape (with maybe ULTRA desperate average guys having to), kinda like how only the ugly women become 'actual' lesbians (lipstick lesbian pornstars don't count, and sometimes can't count).

[–]LukesLikeIt9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Researching the flanges it seems they still aren't sure why some develop them and others don't. They seem to be all capable to grow them but not in close proximity to another that has for unknown reasons (social stress maybe). When they grow flanges and a muscle over their throat they are able to make a noise that attracts fertile females.

[–]1Zackcid17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I read that, after taking possession and protecting a territory for quite a while, males will develop those flanges.

Relating back to humans, I've noticed that men's confidence levels increase tremendously the moment they've moved out of their parents homes and control their own "territory" (i.e. independent home).

[–]blandboringusername 9 points9 points9 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I've noticed that men's confidence levels increase tremendously the moment they've moved out of their parents homes and control their own "territory" (i.e. independent home).

My confidence went up and stress went way down when I retired in my forties. Think about it. I control my entire life "territory" now. Not just a few free hours in the evenings + eight hours sleeping.

Maybe this explains why humans migrated out of Africa and populated Europe, Asia, and the Americas tens of thousands of years ago. If you're no big shit back in your home village, just head over the next mountain range and stake your claim.

[–]LukesLikeIt0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

So you're saying we have added stress in our lives from our instinctual desire to control our territory. Sounds about right, the basis of stoicism is minimising your emotional reaction in every instance so you can judge and act with logic. In effect eliminate instinctual reactions.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

it could be similar to a mans ability to grow a beard.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

All the hipsters I know are alpha as fuck /s

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Not in this day and age. The tactic works as it attracts moronic females who see the beard and think "that's a man!"

In reality, facial hair has been confiscated by lesser men as a way to mask their lack of masculinity.

Kind of like women wearing makeup.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 3 points3 points3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

why is a woman moronic for thinking a beard = more masculinity?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Because of what I said, and what the other guy said in response to your comment.

Hipster feminists and betas have taken beards away from alpha men and they're using them to hide their pussies.

Typically, a guy with a well groomed beard and a decent neckline can pull it off and look good.

It's not a 100% indicator but every guy I know with a big, bushy beard is beta as fuck.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

okay, now that youve expanded i understand what you mean.

ive worn a tight beard since i was 19, get nothing but compliments about it.

[–]sushisection0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

It depends on the person too. I know guys who are legit rugged and the beard adds flavor to that persona. I know others who have a beard just to look more masculine, and it's really easy to spot the difference

[–]Solitary_Wolf 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

started growing it because i dont like shaving every morning.

[–]sushisection0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

Better than growing it to compensate for a lack of manliness

[–]coffee_and_lumber0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not a 100% indicator but every guy I know with a big, bushy beard is beta as fuck.

There is a ton of this right now. I assume it'll fade when the mainstream dictates that the fad is over and clean-shaven is what the ladies like. Hope that happens soon.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A full beard is usually a sign of a guy with good genes and high testosterone which are all external markers for a potential alpha.

Women will approach a dude with a beard and shit test the fuck out of him to see if he really is alpha or if he's just some sorta hipster trying to get in chicks pants.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Honestly the beard is like make-up for women... It may get your foot in the door but you might just find what's inside isn't worth your time.

If you can grow a good looking beard then as a man you probably should. I was able to grow a pretty solid beard but I had to shave it off since I work with food and noone can make one of those beard nets look good.

[–]LukesLikeIt0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you for real? I don't have a beard but does it really elicit a sexual response from women?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. If it's well groomed and taken care of. If it looks like you have a beard just because you cant afford a razor then it won't get the same effect.

Its probably because it makes you look more mature, distinguished and as a result people defer to you as an authority figure.

Also the number of men sporting beards is few. Things which separate you from the masses increases your chances. 100+ years ago when a majority of men were sporting beards being clean shaven was a distinguishing feature that got you noticed.

Times change... a guy with a shaved head is considered hot... 100-200+ years ago a shaved head was usually because of a lice infestation which meant the person wasn't very clean.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov52 points53 points54 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I lol'd that the rapists are the more human looking ones.

[–]Dev_on 24 points24 points24 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

my takeaway from this is that I should work on my oran game

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm feeling a fresh trp post about this.

[–]bitches_be_crazy862 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

unflanged male orangutan

Human ?naah the only difference I see there is feminine features vs. masculine feautres.

Use google and find pics of males flanged vs unflanged vs female. Seems spot on for me.

[–]SuperSpicyBasil21 points22 points23 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I've always thought male orangutans looked badass. They look like some sort of seasoned veteran wearing tattered robes. Google it, they all look like they've seen some shit. I think the human equivalent is having a very prominent brow and strong jaw.

[–]Otah_Machi8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I never realized how bad ass orangutans look.

[–]LoganBubs17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Even the betas can kill you bare handed

[–]Darkwoodz0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So our beta males can kill a spider monkey, and an alpha orangutan would get wrecked by a rhino . It's all relative, think it's silly to compare humans to other animals when talking about physical strength when interacting between species .

[–]gopher_glitz4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Orangutans, Chimps and Gorillas each have vastly different social structures.

[–]Merica91112 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I love seeing this from animals! I believe we can learn so much because at the end of the day they don't fake this stuff. They completely operate on instinct and feels. Or is it the instinct that controls the feels? Umm

[–]1Zackcid13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you're interested in this topic, then I'd definitely recommend the book "The Evolution of Desire" by David Buss. He's done worldwide, cross-cultural studies on human mating and why we make the decisions that we do. He's got solid numbers to back up the claims we make in TRP.

Of course, before the 1st chapter, he made it known that several people felt like this book shouldn't be published and revealed to the public... knowledge is power, it's really no wonder ppl hate TRP so much -- feminists, especially.

[–]zephyrprime3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point. Instinct controls feels. Feels are the proximate motivator. Instinct itself is too abstract and has a bad time effecting communication to an organism.

[–]the_primal_pimp12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I am not sure there is a lot of evidence that orangutans is a good model organism for human sexual behavior. The research might be informative but I would not extrapolate observation from orangutans to human behavior anymore then I would extrapolate observation from bonobo chimps to human.

Caution is advised.

[–]MrRexels2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, people used the ''some animals are gay too!'' to justify homosexuality, I don't see why we can look at orangutans and learn from them.

[–]through_a_ways1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

anymore then I would extrapolate observation from bonobo chimps to human.

You often hear feminists talking about how bonobos love sex so much, but I find it hard to believe that the bonobo females aren't more or less as picky as females of other species.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They use their bodies as peace offerings to rivalling monkey tribes. The female Bonobos of each tribe will have lesbian sex, then will fuck the males of the other tribe, then they're at peace.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This is applicable so many times

[–]thefisherman196110 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It really drives home the point that when women call a guy "creepy", they really mean to say "beta".

[–]tindermaster19861 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The ending made me chuckle.

[–]One_friendship_plz0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This comment is gold, someone should start a thread on this.

http://gyazo.com/215d13d5b1307ba7deda0a2cbbe16a99

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The biological disaster of getting raped by an ugly and unfit male thousands of years ago was pretty real. Its not as bad now with abortions and what not but its just really hard to shave off those primal instincts we have built as genders.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ya, your genes are fucked if you get raped by an ugly dude. I honestly wonder why women never evolved abortion behavior. Got raped by ugly? punch yourself in the stomach until you abort! Why does this not happen evolutionarily... such an easy solution.

But then again, it would require a mutation in behavior that significantly goes against her existing very strong emotions to protect her young. Perhaps it's just a technical problem. For examples, rivers rarely choose the best route from the moutain to the ocean, they just choose the best possible route for themselves. Evolution is the same way.

[–]momomotorboat8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My grandma was born in 1920, and her attitude would piss off so many feminists because it rejects all their bullshit. It was straight red pill, but cloaked in civilized nomenclature, which was the style at the time.

Her attitude towards ugly people - and fat people - was that they were bad, stupid and worthless. Plain and simple. Maybe if a man had money or power would she have some kind thing to say about him, but not often. AOALT.

[–]herpes_delivery_man 3 points3 points3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The thing about this is that there are some studies that suggest the unflanged males actually have more offsprings than flanged males.

Take a look at this study: http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/using-genetics-to-understand-primate-social-systems-71223219

http://www.nature.com/scitable/content/ne0000/ne0000/ne0000/ne0000/78124971/figure3-01_1_2.jpg

Granted, the sample size is small. But mating behavior of wild animals can't be used to compare to humans, because there are no consequence of rape in the animal kingdom. Therefore beta orangutan males can freely rape all they want and still successfully pass on their genetic lineage.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

I noticed the same study. Seems that rape is the most successful reproduction strategy, for whatever that's worth. It's "interesting" to think that every single human alive today is, for certain, the product of a rape, somewhere in their lineage.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

human alphas will knock the brains in of any beta that rapes his girls. I wonder why flanged alpha orangutans haven't evolved this behavior. The next gene that evolves this behavior would confer significant advantage to its male possessors and hopefully that gene would increase in frequency quite quickly.

[–]through_a_ways2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Something almost identical in humans:

White women viewed pictures of white men, and rated their attractiveness. Dark eyed/haired white guys were rated as significantly more attractive than blonde/blue eyed white guys.

However, when the researchers photoshopped the features so that the lighter guys had dark features, and the darker guys had lighter features, the women chose the photoshopped lighter guys (originally dark featured).

Turns out, melanin is linked with the masculinity of a face. Darker white guys had traits like broader noses and faces compared to lighter white guys.

This is probably why within every racial group under the sun, the women are lighter than the men.

[–]Because_I-am_Batman2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are we specifically talking about women here? I am a male and I do exactly this! If I'm close to an ugly girl I try to get as far from her as possible, with attractive girls I want to get as close as possible and do activities with them.

[–]bertmaklinFBI4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Unflanged male orangutans are known to forcefully copulate with females. When a female orangutan spot an unflanged male orangutan, she gets scared and tries to flee away as quickly as possible.

I would legit would run away from a 300 lb woman who was always trying to rape me. Makes sense.

[–]Da_Puffin 3 points3 points3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

We are the mother-fucking animal kingdom

[–]1Zackcid2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

No! We're super-evolved, mawfucking alien robots from another galaxy! Not animalssss, sheesh!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We've had society for almost 1/1000th of our existence. We're not animals anymore and those brutish instincts have nothing to do with how we act!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't say ugly men but just men who aren't wanted by any other women. Maybe you could rationalize that both are the same thing but everybody knows that's not true.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This. You can find Steve Buscemi on r/ladyboners, so Kissinger was right, power/status is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Must get me some of that flange - peacocking ftw!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The answer is Bonobos, we are most like them. Study them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When women say they want a "nice guy", they just want a Chad who commits. This confuses beta guys because they think women only care about commitment and being put on a pedestal, while ignoring any of the masculine traits, which leads to more confusion for the beta who is now a "creep" because he thought he lived up to the woman's seemingly easy standards.

[–]watersign1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

beta males are ugly, short, and fat or a combination of the 3.

[–]1cover200 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ugly, short fat guys are alpha about as much as others, at least if they're smart.

[–]watersign-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

most women are repelled by men under 6'0. if you're 5'6 and under you're going to be swimming up hill for the rest of your life unless you're very wealthy or have high status

[–]All-DayErrDay3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

So basically you're saying if a guy is ripped, but still has an ugly face that he's fucked.

[–]10334222 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

very rarely a guy is totally fucked up with facial aesthetics. Most guys just look normal.

Our luck is that, even if you have the most fucked up face humankind has ever seen, you can still get laid like a mad man if you look interesting and people like you, or you have money, or you excel at something, you know the drill...

Girls don't have that advantage, if she is fucked up in the looks department, she is cursed to always be considered lower in the social hierarchy.

[–]1runnerrun21 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Humans have evolved towards their brains being the male's main peacock's feather, the trait that is judged the most.

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[–]1033428 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying that looks don't matter, they do and I know it.

I'm saying that, for a dude, it is just one of the things (although an important one) that he can have to be considered attractive.

[–]Blaphtome5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's not completely hopeless. Few hundred mg of Test weekly and 6 months in the gym could completely change his prospects. Besides that, he could just wear some better clothes.

When I was a kid in the 90's just out of highschool, I worked @ a place that required suits. Fucked all the time. even though I was an out of shape fat ass. Actually had 2 girls get disgusted, like "um I thought you were skinnier", LOL still fucked em. Don't get me wrong, I'm naturally muscular with wide shoulders, but that guy with some muscle, the right clothes, and a bit of self deprecating wit could kill it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This guy: https://imgur.com/a/lhR29[7] isn't going to get any chicks no matter what "game" he has, well, maybe if he was rich but they'd all be gold-diggers, no better than hiring a prostitute.

That guy's actual face is average as hell. His problem is that he's about a hundred pounds overweight and dressed like a slob.

[–]1Jaereth1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a part of it too. As I started to reduce my body fat my face got better and better looking. I've even had pictures on facebook where it was only visible from the neck up and a friend commented that I was looking great. It wasn't even anything spectacular either, a period of jogging in the morning added to my routine, but any weight loss will really show in the face.

[–]FuckyouAvast0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So do you have advice for men 6 and below or are you just telling them to go eat shit?

[–]OhAndOneMoreThing-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I look at it as a sum of parts. If you are a 4 in looks, but a 9 in brainpower, and run your social circle,and are interesting and understand the game, you can still get hot girls. Are you going to work harder than someone with the face of David Beckham, yes. But if he's dumb as shit and doesn't know how to deal with women, his total value might be lower than yours.

That's why it's so important to be the best you in all facets of your life. I may attract a girl with confidence and demonstrating high value amongst my peers even though I'm not the best looking guy at a bar, but it's what is between my ears that keeps them around. You want them to feel like you're not like anyone they've ever met.

[–]DildoFire1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

David Beckham's total value is always going to be higher than some ugly beta. Would you rather date a dumb Jessica Biel or Rosie O'Donnel?

[–]OhAndOneMoreThing0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly you didn't understand what I said. A poor, fat, unemployed man with zero friends, even if he has the best looking face on the planet is going to lose to an average looking man, who is 5% bodyfat, tall, muscular, has a good job, and is the leader of his group of friends. Every time.

10 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 10 / 5 = 2

7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 = 35 / 5 = 7

Who has a higher SMV?

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[–]Circlelurker900 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with you that physical attractiveness is the most important factor but you are putting too much emphasis on face. Height and body are so much more important. Take two facially attractive guys: one tall and skinny/normal, one short and jacked. They will both be successful with women but will not get laid that much more often than facially average or even ugly versions of themselves.

Whenever you see a facially attractive short or normal height guy (with average build) successful with women he is invariably dark triad. Dark triad compensates for all physical shortcomings.

If all you have going on is an attractive face, even model tier, you are SOL.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the dark triad shit is true. my upbringing has led me so wrong. haha.

[–]king_of_red_alphas0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

PUAHate Vet / Male Model worshipping LMS theorist detected.

[–]iamaguythrowaway2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Please tell me. I am just a kid. Do looks matter or not?

[–]blandboringusername 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

she is cursed to always be considered lower in the social hierarchy.

And they're all heading down down down in just a few years, and they know it.

My pet theory is historically marriage had two purposes:

  1. A gentleman's look-the-other-way agreement that any child she bore after the wedding was the husband's.

  2. To support infertile 35+ women that nobody wanted once they weren't hot young girls anymore. Nobody wants cast off middle aged women clogging up the streets begging for moldy bread and leftover gristle scraps.

Nowadays we have reliable paternity testing for the first purpose, and chubby post-wall women in the West divorce their husbands all the time and then dump en masse onto OkCupid trying to impose their "beautiful on the inside!" romcom fantasies on the real world. Because laws have been changed to lop off 40-50% of your income and hand it to her post-divorce so she can go skipping off into a delusional hamster life paid for by you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

well, she also does have the government who gives her everything she would need from a BB, so in reality, she doesn't even need the divorce except for comfort.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's also plastic surgery if your face really is too fucked up.

[–]bitches_be_crazy860 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nahh I actually think it means not masculne enough

[–]bannable151 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I googled hairless ape

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In my experience, high smv alpha males don't even go out as much as low smv males. When i started hanging out with high smv natural alphas I was surprised to see that they often only chill at their house or go to low key parties/clubs on the weekends. Very similar to the alpha orangutan having women come to him vs. Beta orangutan running around chasing. That's one thing that is kind of frustrating. I know that to get better with game you should go out a lot and approach, approach, approach. But at the same time real alphas don't do that and probably never have. Gaming hard can be fun, but it does feel beta at times.

Always remember that it is better to embrace your sexuality, approach and disgust/scare a bunch of egotistical HB's than to never have approached at all, and have the masses wonder if you're hetero, or even male.

[–]adormitul0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If women are afraid and avoid the average beta do they run away from a delta or a omega?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dust in the wind, they're not even there.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think Op is using the word Beta but strictly speaking it applies more to omegas. Betas can still be used as a provider. Monkey reproduction is probably more heavily slanted towards a bigger Alpha/Beta divide which isnt so much the case in human society because we used to have Patriarchy and Shaming.

[–]through_a_ways0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That beta chimp looks like Alton Brown.

[–]cinyx0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What is "flanged"? I looked up flange and I'm not sure how it applies here.

[–]ThirteenthZodiac1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at the pictures in the OP. The flanged orangutan has a "collar" around his face, making it look broader; while the unflanged does not, with a much more human-like face.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TIL Neckbeard = Alpha in the Orangutan social hierarchy.

[–]denmaur0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can tell the difference in their expressions and eyes. The beta looks beta and the alpha looks alpha.

[–]Jessie_James0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This book has some pretty cool stuff that address this:

http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Tatianas-Sex-Advice-Creation/dp/0805063323

PDF:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61500401/Dr-Tatiana-s-Sex-Advice-to-All-Creation-the-Definitive-Guide-to-the-Evolutionary-Biology-of-Sex-Olivia-Judson#scribd

It's worth a read.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

makes me wonder why parents are so aggressive at forcing their kids to be beta.

[–]Lonny_zone0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Didn't need this study to support that claim but still found it interesting.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm studying for the GMAT and one of the selections I had to analyze was about two subspecies of birds where the female will nest with a beta (less advantaged territory) from the other subspecies and copulate with well situated bird in their own species- this species traitoring occurs most often in lean times.

The beta males and females do produce fertile hybrids: only the male hybrids are fertile, but males are 75% of hybrid offspring.

All animals are like that, apparently.

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[–]OhAndOneMoreThing2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How doesn't it make sense?

Women avoid unattractive men because they don't want to be raped.

Women position themselves close to attractive men, because it's not rape when you want to be there.

Duh.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously nobody wants to be raped. Women seek alpha males for consensual sex (not rape) and protection (from, among other things, rapists).

[+]dontgiveafuckpayme-7 points-6 points-5 points 11 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

"Unflanged male orangutans are known to rape females."

The word Rape has been abused enough by Feminists. Using that word to describe the sexual behavior of orangutanis is absurd.

Humans rape. Animals don't.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I don't get why there is a distinction?

When an animal doesn't want to have sex and is forced to by another animal is that not animal rape? I've always thought it was pretty obvious that rape occurs extremely often in the animal world as I'm sure it did with humans predating language and civilisation..

It IS forced sex. The term we use for forced sex is rape. So why don't animals rape?

[–]2IVIaskerade4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It depends on whether you define rape purely as forced sex or as requiring a moral judgement to determine whether it is rape or not. A lot of violent rape (as in, the back alley stuff) is about power more than it is about sex, so that factors into the judgement. With animals this isn't the case - the sex is purely for the purpose of procreation, so whilst it may be forced it's not about the power dynamic.

Animals do not have morals (as far as we are aware). They do not know the difference between "right" and "wrong" as defined by humans, and so they are incapable of committing actions that require such a distinction.

[–]tompanz11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Animals use sex for dominance and control though. I don't think rape should be defined by a person's morals or state of mind. Rape should have a very clear definition, forced sex, that obviously could be used on animals.

[–]2IVIaskerade2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm pointing out that in law, a person's mindset often makes the difference.

For example, if you kill someone without meaning to, it's manslaughter, but if you planned to it's murder. That's why people can kill each other and not get convicted for murder - because the jury can't prove that they planned to kill them.

I'm saying that there may well be the same thing for rape - there's a difference between "raped in an alley at knife point" and "didn't realise she said no". They're both forced sex and can be punished as such, but one may engender much harsher punishments than the other.

I happen to agree that animals can rape, but I would still have the caveat that "forced sex" takes many different forms, and each of those forms is different severity.

[–]tompanz1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah, I agree. Forced doesn't have have to mean at gun point or anything. Just that one person is having sex against their will.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A lot of violent rape (as in, the back alley stuff) is about power more than it is about sex

I wish the idiocy that is "rape is about power not sex" would at least not show up on this sub. It's feminist theory, put it in the same bucket as affirmative consent and male oppression of women: it is not scientific fact.

[–]2IVIaskerade-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wish you'd pull your head out of your ass and realise that it's not a "feminist theory" and that maybe you should think about things before you dismiss them out of hand.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is a feminist theory. Instead of hurling insults, try to clearly think about what it means for rape to "not be about sex". Imagine someone said "the stock market isn't about money, it's about math". Power play is integral to all sex, someone is going to dominate and someone is going to be dominated. Rape is very much about the imposition of this domination on an unwilling person, but saying it's "not about sex" is ludicrous. It's really a testament to how far mainstream thought has been uncritical about feminist academia that people can accept that idea. Or is it really just wishful thinking, a way to create an artificial barrier between "good sex, the kind I have" and "bad sex, the kind evil rapists have"?

The truth is the line is blurred, as evidenced by the rape fantasy common to almost all women. Societies have defined social fences to help people determine what's what. It used to be marriage, now that that's gone, you have "relationships" or social settings (clubs, bars) that determine when what is allowed. But since the sexual revolution, the demarcations have been made less and less clear, and that's why feminists are screeching to push the standard to the impossible "what's going on in her head", and the fact the line is blurred has allowed them to do so without much resistance. So don't tell me rape isn't about sex, not on a sub that is called The Red Pill.

[–]2IVIaskerade0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rape is about power in the same way that murder is about premeditation. The act itself entails a separate crime (forced sex and killing, respectively), but without the mindset it is not that particular crime.

[–]Espada184 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but rape is forcefully engaging in a sexual act without consent, I'm not sure how it wouldn't be rape if it was something an animal did.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because animals do not have an understanding, they act upon instincts and do what they are born to do. They don't do good or evil.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At what point of our evolution did we acquire the ability to do good or evil, and therefore to rape?

[–]Espada180 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody said anything about good or evil, and just because an animal lacks the moral abilities we have, it doesn't change the fact that rape is rape, either way you look at it.

[–]laere4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You must have never seen that video where the monkey raped that frog in his cage. Poor frog.

[–]Jew_Fucker_692 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd like to put you in a cage with a horny chimp and afterwards ask you what he did to you.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are being downvoted, but of course you are right. There is no such thing as rape in the animal kingdom and this is common knowledge, just like animals don't murder either.

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