Is this Red Pill or Not?

TrashPanda10101 · 2020-02-20T08:07:54+00:00

Most of this is either bullshit or nonrelevant / applicable to all human beings in general.

"Women are hypergamous..." And men aren't hypergamous? You've seriously never heard of adult men cheating on their spouses / abandoning their families for a younger, sexier little minx?
"Confidence..." This isn't red pill per se, it's just general social interaction dynamics? Women struggle with this too.
HUMANS are sheeps in general. Think of all the stupid shit to guys do to themselves just to be "one of the guys?" (Hazing rituals, pointless fights, dares?)
"Social skills..." Yeah social skills are good. As an aspie I know this firsthand. Point? There are socially awkward women btw.
"Frame..." True but again applies to both sexes. Being genuinely unbothered by rejection / criticism has the same effect as not falling for a bluff or worrying about insignificant details. Not red pill per se.
"Balls..." Courage helps but does not mean arrogance or narcissism. The red pill chronically fails to understand this. Meek, homely, docile people still find relationships mind you.
"Sex skills..." Everyone starts somewhere, and that's at no experience, period. Being bad in bed and staying that way could be a problem, but this is straight up incel bullshit.
"Average life..." Have you missed the literally millions of boring people who are married with kids?
Humor is good, yes, but it doesn't make one a stable, reliable person who makes for a good partner.

bluescrew · 2020-02-20T14:18:31+00:00

Hypergamy: Damaged men and women both cheat. Men are more likely to sneak around and lie about it and attempt to keep both women. Women are more likely to dump the person they're with and go for the new person. Which is at least the more honest way of doing it.

But then there are men and women (at least half of women and 1/3 of men, if you look at the statistics) who aren't willing to jeopardize the relationship they've invested in, regardless of what temptation is out there.

Confidence: yes, some men seem to be attracted to insecure women they can control, and I don't see women generally having that same preference.

Social status: Ask a fat girl how many times she's been used for sex by a guy who refused to introduce her to his friends and family because he wants them to think he only dates "pretty" women. Social status is a thing for all immature people, not just immature women.

But there are plenty of women who know what they like and don't give a fuck about appearances. Hot girl dating a short ugly guy is so common it's a sitcom trope.

Social skills: this comes back to the confidence thing. Women are trained by society to soothe egos, to smooth over social situations, to prioritize making others feel good over making themselves feel good. Women are often victims of abuse and learn to read/manipulate their abuser's emotions out of survival and necessity. As a result, the most socially awkward woman is probably still more socially aware and socially capable than the average man who was always taught to just focus on himself and his own success and not be responsible for others' feelings.

So yeah, the bar is high because most of us do not feel like carrying the whole relationship socially. This is how we end up like our grandmothers, planning every party, remembering every birthday, sending every card, making every introduction, while our husband scratches his head obliviously and contributes nothing.

Frame: this is just another way of saying confidence. These guys repeat themselves a lot. But no, I don't require my male partners to put up some kind of facade. In fact, when one of them had a panic attack in public and I got him to a safe place and talked him through it, we became closer than ever because he knows now that he can trust me with his vulnerability. Given a healthy relationship with a man who is honest and loving and sets/respects boundaries, that IS what women want, is your vulnerability.

When guys get burned and start talking about frame it's usually because they brought out the big emotions all at once and overwhelmed some poor chick. This happens because many men have zero outlets in their lives to talk about their feelings or express their insecurities, so they dump it all on their crush as soon as they realize she won't judge them, and suddenly she feels like an unpaid therapist/sex doll instead of a whole person with her own needs. Men have more success when they act a little like women; confide in your friends, in your parents, in your therapist; and then you won't have so many tasks to lay at the feet of the person who's supposed to see their time with you as fun not work.

Balls: this is just another word for confidence but yes, I do prefer partners who are brave. Men AND women. But it's not about getting in bar fights over me or whatever bullshit RP believes.

Talk directly to the person you have a problem with instead of whining to me about it night after night but being fake to their face. Stand up to your family (if you're an adult) instead of taking their abuse. Give that stranger a compliment even if you're afraid they might think you're weird. Be man or woman enough to talk to me about issues in the relationship instead of sweeping them under the rug. Be strong enough to end a bad relationship instead of just cheating on them like a coward. Wouldn't you rather date someone with that kind of bravery?

Sex skills just boil down to being open to hearing instruction/criticism, making the other person feel safe enough to offer it, and being brave enough (there's that word again) to communicate your own desires and preferences. There are no universal "skills" that apply to every woman or every man. I personally have learned about 14 different ways to give head just by listening to the man or woman's preferences, and I am still going to have more to learn with each new person. Being good at sex just means being adaptable and open and enthusiastic and nonjudgmental and not letting your own baggage get in the way of a good time. A virgin can do that.

Average people do great as long as they have social skills. Reliability is paramount to some women. If you are average AND socially awkward, you can still get dates, but you improve your chances as you improve your social skills- and you improve your social skills as you get the fuck out there and have experiences in the world. Having stories to tell counts as a social skill.

Humor. Humor is so subjective, only some women are going to share your idea of what's funny. But when you find one of them, grab her tight! Because guess what laughter does? It opens the vagina. I'm not kidding, when I am laughing I can literally feel my body relaxing and my sexual arousal stems from that. If you get me to go into one of those uncontrollable giggle fits, when it finally subsides I'm going to be hornier than I've been in days. Whether I choose to aim that sexual energy at YOU still depends on other factors of attraction, but it definitely has pushed me over that edge multiple times in my life.

AnotherWildling · 2020-02-20T09:05:40+00:00

Well, for one, men cheat more than women. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america

But of course there are criterions to a woman's choice of partner, I mean are we supposed to let the men choose us without having a say ;-)? However, all women are different. Even my best friend wirth whom I share so much personality wise and in life priorities, has a TOTALLY different taste in men than I do.

Also, I find that women more often give men way underneath their league (look wise) an honest chance, but that is if they are kind and respectful. And it does help a lot if they are funny. I don't see the same with men.

rockstarsheep · 2020-02-20T07:42:59+00:00

Hypergamy is a pet theory of “Rollo’s” - it’s never been scientifically proven. Look for Shawn T. Smith’s video on it. Both he and Robert Glover, who are heavily trained and experienced, mental healthcare professionals, with licensed credentials - don’t find this to be a truism in their extensive experience.

There may be some truth to it, but it’s not a fact. It’s an hypothesis, which remains unproven.

As for the rest; anything in an absolute format is more than likely going to be an outlier. They’re more sensational, so attract attention. And there’s a certain degree of confirmation bias that will, at some stage, kick in.

Perhaps what we see in contemporary life is a collapse of moral and ethical virtue, more than anything else. Some would have you believe that human beings are just monkeys playing make believe. A lot of TRP lacks intelligent nuance. There may be some truth, but it gets tarnished by personal agendas. Men and women can behave atrociously.

In an age in which we live in though; freedom doesn’t come with any sort of responsibility. You can’t really be free, if you’re not responsible. That requires some hard work, and this seems to have gone out of fashion. That and turning as many people as possible, into anomalies.

Footnote: I stress the credentials of Drs. Smith and Glover, because “Rollo” has at best an undergrad level of education in some psychology. He hasn’t had to endure the rigors of defending any thesis to the level of a PhD. If he really felt so strongly about his ideas, he’d put them to the test. It speaks a lot, that he won’t; or indeed - can’t. Relying on blogging does not a theory make.

I_like_the_word_MUFF · 2020-02-20T12:34:25+00:00

My thoughts are:

Why do you need this advice? Do you not trust yourself? Do you pick bad friends? Why do you feel like you have to pay some random on the internet for it (in viewing eyes on ads and clicks if nothing else)?

You know they're selling a product right? So what makes you their consumer?

computerbone · 2020-02-20T14:52:04+00:00

How can you square the theory that all women are hypergamous with the fact that the majority don't cheat and the majority of marriages don't end in divorce? Also you listed a quite a few things as over everything but that simply can't be.

512fm · 2020-02-20T07:34:51+00:00

By frame do you mean height, in shape etc?

Luvagoo · 2020-02-20T21:39:31+00:00

Ugggh. My forever response to any bullshit like this is "did you know that women are people too and we are much more alike than we are different".

Stop trying to psychoanalysis us to "work us out" like we're some fucking homogeneous hive mind. Be honest and kind to everyone you meet. Boom the end.

Rhazelle · 2020-02-21T06:46:02+00:00

Yes a lot of this is redpill thinking.

Disregarding how wrong all of these points are (and they are, as basically blanket statements like this are), and because I don't feel like writing up a 10 paragraph essay to disprove all of them, I'm going to just leave one thought that bulk calls out all of this bullshit, which is:

Women and men are not that dissimilar. Anything a woman does, a man does too. Are there women who do the things you list above? Yes. Are there men who also do this? Yes. On the flip side, are there women and men who don't? Yes.

We have some biological differences when it comes to our bodies, but on the whole we are VERY similar, and basically all psychology that applies to PEOPLE, men and women, equally. When you view women as fundamentally different than you, you're going to fail at understanding 50% of the population.

So gtfo with your warped thinking and stop being a sexist mf.

Rad1Red · 2020-02-21T13:51:29+00:00

Sometimes, some things are - at least observably - true, but not for the reasons terpers think they are.They miss the point more often than not and poison themselves with all sorts of harebrained conclusions.

Above faults, if you perceive them as faults, can apply to flawed PEOPLE. In general. And most people are "sheep". Look at terpers, blindly following the terper gospel and actually reprogramming themselves for it. Aren't they following their "successful" gurus like sheep?

But let's discuss some of these points.

Hypergamy / social status over everything. What the hell do terpers understand nowadays by "hypergamy"?
Because it's a legit sociological concept that expresses the tendency, in underdeveloped societies where women have no or less access to resources, for girls to "marry up" and "find a good match". And often, it's not even them doing it, it's their families, against their wishes. Case in point, some places in India, even today.
Terpers have corrupted this concept by claiming women seek men who are "superior" (richer, more powerful or whatever) due to some innate nature that compels them to do so.
First of all, I can personally vouch for that not being true of all women. So can my friends (none of us "married up", we married perceived equals or men who seemed inferior, but in our eyes had value). This brings me to something else.
Not all of us look for partners who are superior. It's MEN who want to feel superior (feel like they are better, earn more etc), and many women concede that so they can have a happy life with them. I was taught since a very early age to make myself little so that my man could feel like the "rooster" of the house, 'cause otherwise it just doesn't get up, does it. I didn't give AF, but that's another story. A lot of women do (and, of course, they're berated for it, because I wanna make more, but I also wanna bash my woman for being after my money, right? Don't that make my dick feel bigger?)
However, humans do look for partners that have value in their eyes. And most values are learned, not innate. We LEARN that power is value, we learn that money is value... OR... We learn that education is value. Kindness is value. Strength and courage are value. Loyalty is value. Being a good parent is value. Etc. So if you're seeing people who value money and power over other things, that is most likely a question of a faulty education, not of nature.
What I and my friends thought valuable may not have been what others around us thought valuable. And that's okay. I'm not living their life and they're not living mine. I'm not sleeping with money and power, I'm sleeping with a human being. And I didn't want my children to be stupid, mean or butt-ugly, but suck on a silver spoon. I did choose what was valuable TO ME though.
Second, from the opposite point of view "hypergamy" could be phrased as "women have standards". Which is actually not a bad thing, and people should not pride themselves in lacking standards. Mating indiscriminately like a mangy mutt on the side of the road would be an inferior trait.
An inferior organism takes a superior trait and then mocks and devalues it, simply because it lacks it. See jocks versus nerdy kids. So maybe terpers should just grow some standards instead?
But I think you're conflating "hypergamy" with "monkey-branching" here, another stupid redpill concept, right?
Confidence, balls etc. are an indicator or courage. By some women, men are still seen as protectors. When you're scared, insecure, feeling weak, you seek someone strong to help, right? And even if you're not, who would you rather partner up with in the trenches, a cowardly fellow who would scream and run away at the first bullet or a brave mate who would have your back?
Frame over everything / sex over everything. This one is bullshit, imo. First of all, I don't mind needy people, everyone is needy in their own way and only weak people cannot handle that. And I don't like stubborn arseholes who "maintain frame" at the expense of having a productive interaction where both parties can learn and develop.
As for the sex part, there are many women who would find it hot to teach the man a thing or two in bed. Yes, even at a young age. What turns us off is when he's hung up and passive-aggressive about his lack of experience. Or when he doesn't want to learn and he concentrates on his own pleasure. Those are things inexperienced men do often, so women screen for them - and you think they screen for inexperience specifically. Wrong.
Also, every woman is different. Women KNOW that. It doesn't help much if he fingers a new partner a certain way because he learned it from another woman, if the new partner hates being fingered in the first place, right? What does help is him getting in tune with the woman's body, and inexperienced men can do that just fine.
Average life. Most of us are average. It's ridiculous to claim otherwise. We know, mate. A huge number of average people find mates and live happily. Their partners just SEE VALUE in them.
Sense of humour. Finally! This one is important. Laughter brings a release of serotonin and we all want to go through life feeling happy and having fun. Most women would choose a genuinely funny guy over a stale chad any day. You can actually see that a lot around you if you pay attention. Make of that what you will.

Yesm3can · 2020-02-21T16:45:40+00:00

So...I was about to reply to your post, until I read your username. And then I read your posting history.

Dude, full stop, all of these pills, blue, red, whatever, reddit, weed, all these are things you use as distractions. And I feel like answering or debating your points here would have provided you with more distractions, you know? So you can cheat yourself again by believing that you have something more important to do rather than taking that one herculean task of unfucking your own life.

You do not have a woman problem. You got that hottie ready to have sex with you, but you got ED. It was not her, it was not any of the girls in the party, it was not any insta girls' problems. It was solely you OWN problem.

If you were a gay male, it will also not be the fault of those tops or bottoms or the femme, the mascs... Nope. It will be your and your only problems.

Look, you can read all of the self-help books. Watch more youtube video to 'motivate' you. All bullshit. All these only giving you a sense of 'having things to do'. Stop that crap.

Buy a dog shock collar and wear it. Hide it under your turtleneck, scarf, I don't care. Everytime the urge coming to lazy around, to smoke weed, to fucking procastinate...press the button and shock yourself.

You are right now like a college student that knows a big exam is incoming, needing badly to study more seriously, but instead of that, picking many new hobbies to distract them.

Cut that fuken shit and buy that dog shock collar.

2020-02-23T12:08:20+00:00

//If you have good sense of humour, good for you, but if you lack in those things above, it wont help you much// Lol... That means Germany had to die out long back due to non reproduction.

//Women are like sheeps in a way, if other women admire or are very attracted to someone, they suddenly are attracted too, even though they might even reject that guy few minutes earlier.// Again, it is proven fact that different people like different people. My preferences alone are vastly different. Like I don't like blonds but a lot of women do. I like bigger than average dick whereas a lot of women I know hate that. so many many different things.

//Women are hypergamous. If someone seemingly better comes along, she will dump me or cheat on me without thinking twice. What means better to them? Keep reading to find out.// The problem is studies say otherwise! Men are more likely to pair up or remarry someone (often better and more beautiful) after end of a relationship whereas women remain single. Men are also 7 times likely to abandon a sick partner compared to women

//Sex skills over everything -> If you are bad or inexperienced in bed, you are doomed// Explain Asexual and demisexual relationships then?

//If you live average life, without any hobbies besides gym, you are boring and not worthy of fucking or dating// - where I come from having a hobby is a luxury that most people do not have! They still fuck though!

And about the rest of the points -- maybe true or maybe not...

But I think you should be smart enough to figure out if you can really take this to heart.

do you really sincerely believe that all women are the same and equally predicatable? If you cannot objectively answer that no one can help you change perspective

Dakota0524 · 2020-03-02T05:04:04+00:00

This post makes it as if dating is a "game" that you're attempting to "win" by attracting a lot of women, which is prototypical red pill.

based_andRedpilled · 2020-02-22T00:52:43+00:00

ok incel, sit comfortably.

you misinterpreted the first point. Both men and women are hypergamous, the difference lies in the genetic difference that affects them.From an evolutionary point of view, males are those who make sure to spread their gene, so as to have many children and keep the own evolutionary line. Women on the other hand have children with more "powerful" men. Stronger, hierarchically higher, socially better, manly. The main key is to understand how this concept is applied today. Obviously there are behavioral changes by both sexes (called social Darwinism). This is the first thing to understand, no girl goes exclusively with the one who is only rich or just beautiful or just nice. Girls make behavioral, social and physical selections, men also. Your point depends on how this selection of characters occurs; it happens to try with a girl you like and in the meantime she writes with other guys, she is not a whore, she is simply adopting the filtering method I was talking about before. In the meantime, he will go out with other boys, test more terrains, and finally if he thinks you are up to it, he will have a monogamous relationship with you. The process can take many years, often you find girls who have fun in the disco and then become engaged for many years, or who make many appointments with many boys and have relationships for a few months. This procedure, which applies to both men and women is called hypergamy, is our weapon to apply the natural selection that tends to keep the strongest going. The more women / men with a good gene, the more our gene will go on from generation to generation.

2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) True, I cannot go into detail though

If you want to read a book that ALL men should read https://1.droppdf.com/files/8Zupo/the-rational-male-tomassi-rollo.pdf is here. All those points will make sense by reading it, 0 blue pill, only red pill, have fun.

(P: S google translate sorry for any errors).

TheDoorInTheDark · 2020-02-20T16:43:06+00:00

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mrelevenoutoften · 2020-02-20T10:45:06+00:00

imo everything except the first statement has a strong element of cold hard truth to it

Title	Is this Red Pill or Not?
Author	depressedjoecz
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Date	February 20, 2020 7:12 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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