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RedPill truths abound in an AskReddit thread on what turns women on

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Summary: Women are turned on by fear, by men's aggression, by imagining a man "taking them". They love feeling like they're not in control.


There was a thread on another subreddit. The title may make you roll your eyes, but the insights it provides are valuable.

"Ladies, do women get wet like men get erections? I mean if you see a hot guy at the mall and you feel lust for him do you get wet?"

Let's begin with one of the most upvoted responses.

I require some mental stimulation and/or physical stimulation to start getting wet. A little fear helps a ton. Not like I want to be raped or anything. But if the guy is really aggressive and I feel like he might just take what he wants or if it's an ongoing relationship and I know he will or can just take me, that gets me wet.

Or imagining the guy taking me will get me there. I like sitting in class and imagining the more attractive men there aggressively using me. But I can't just look at one of them and think he's hot and get wet.

Of course being touched works too. My body has a mind of it's own. Someone touching me in a sexual manner has a pretty immediate physical reaction whether I was originally turned on or expecting/wanting to be touched sexually or not.

There's a lot here. Some of it is self-explanatory but a few points are worth noting:

  • Fear arouses women. Being boring doesn't. Being nice doesn't. The worst thing you can do is to be someone who leaves no emotional impression on the people you meet.
  • Notice that looks alone will not turn this woman on. You can look intimidating, be very handsome etc. But if you conduct yourself so that no one could imagine you fucking, and I mean FUCKING, you are nothing.
  • Touch, gentlemen. If you're just starting out, you can't overdo it.

Another user:

Biologically that all makes sense. A woman only needs to get wet if there is a real chance of intercourse. Seeing an attractive person doesn't make sex likely, but imagining him "taking you" could trigger that response.

This user gets it.

This user elaborates the idea:

Many women (and men) have a lot on their plate, a lot to think and worry about at any given moment. A lot of people just want to be able to relinquish control to a trusted source and enjoy the ride.

Notice she said she only wants men she already finds sexy, or men she's in an ongoing relationship with, to "take" her. I think the idea is, in this situation you're willingly giving control to someone else and can then lose yourself in the sensation of being "taken," of how badly they want you, how hot and sexy it makes you feel, how they can't contain their desire for you.

It's a very freeing experience, to be able to trust someone and feel comfortable enough to let them have their way with you, and know that you'll also have your own sexual needs taken care of.

This user is right to point out that you've got to have a reasonably high SMV for this to happen. If Billy Beta (see below) starts making women fear him by being aggressive then disgust will be the likely emotion. You need to have congruence. Your personality must add up. If you suddenly turn from being a beta into a more sexually aggressive person women are going to be shocked, and not in a good way. But when you're meeting new people, you are free from this.

Along comes Billy Beta, although I hesitate to call him such, as he is actually quite self-aware at the end:

As a man, this notion of women being aroused at the thought of "being used" or "taken" "aggressively" bugs me for some reason. My girlfriend LOVES it similarly, but in the back of my mind I just can't shake some minor feeling of disturbance.

As a guy, this idea of not being in control in that way is, for lack of better words, simply not appealing and it's hard for me to imagine why women feel that way. Especially when society plays up fear and distrust of others (being killed, robbed, raped, etc.), as well as women not wanting to be objectified, etc.

Has society just fucked with my programming or something?

Billy realises that his girlfriend is more turned on when he FUCKSTM her and yet he still feels uncomfortable. Billy is so close and yet so far.

"Has society fucked with my programming or something?"

YES, Billy it has!

Lessons learned: Cultivate your sexual assertiveness. Always lead women. Being bold is better than being hesitant.

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Title RedPill truths abound in an AskReddit thread on what turns women on
Author EddieJonesRFU
Upvotes 663
Comments 121
Date 01 August 2017 06:43 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/45066
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[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Notice that looks alone will not turn this woman on. You can look intimidating, be very handsome etc. But if you conduct yourself so that no one could imagine you fucking, and I mean FUCKING, you are nothing.

I was at a party with a few drunk girls and they were having a conversation.

Girl A: Is it just me or does anyone else here meet a guy for the first time and imagine what it would be like if he was fucking you.

Other girls: OMG yeah every time!

Girl A: Like you just wonder what he'd be like in bed and with some guys you can just tell he'll be so rough as soon as you meet him.

Other girls: Ugh I know, so hot.

[–]EddieJonesRFU[S] 95 points96 points  (6 children) | Copy

A year ago I would have thought that was bullshit. But it makes perfect sense.

The challenge is coming across as though you're a rough fuck (no homo) in a way that is congruent with your personality.

[–]Docbear6466 points67 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is why flirting and developing social skills are so important . If you can't grab her attention and engage her with your clothes on she has no reason to believe you'll do any better when her clothes come off. " I have fun , I'm solid, I know what I want" if you can communicate that to a woman with your body language and social skills she's going to believe you are like that everywhere including the bedroom.

[–]CaffineAddictNYC4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This actually helps put together, for approaches, telling when a woman is giving you a shit test vs is sincerely uninterested - and how to appropriately continue.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear22248 points49 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is why I always literally picture me banging out a girl when I first meet them. It changes my demeanor, eye contact, and voice inflection to immediately be congruent with what I really want from them. They instantly pick up on it too. My first impressions have been on point lately; I've experienced little to no LMR on the girls I've pulled since I started doing this as well as plating most of them.

By picturing I mean using all my empathetical might to imagine what this girl would look like naked and getting railed by me. Works like a charm.

[–]Vigilo_Infinite30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know why it was so alien to me but when I understood, it started to make sense.

Women are just as sexual as guys and are into it just as much - they just have to hide it because doing work for charity makes you a slut.

[–]marianasentmenudes3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

what's the name of the actual thread? I'm really curious about the other answers

[–]OmniscientOCE0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just google the question title

[–]CarnivOre9350 points51 points  (6 children) | Copy

This is hilarious and true. When I was younger, some girls used to ask me the question- are you a virgin? (Long after I had lost it.) thinking back on this it was certainly a result from how I carried myself.

As I got older and graduated from nailing d league women to the pros I would leave the opposite first impression on women; the- "I bet you're a player aren't you?" Kind of shit.

This was all subconscious behavior as it was pre-trp days. But the biggest change I can think of was that I stopped seeking validation from these hoes.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

This sub will leave that same mark on you. They say "just knowing is half the battle" and they're right. Understanding the realities of male/female interactions, the masculine/feminine dynamics at play changes the way you interpret situations and intern, how you conduct yourself. Having an undertone of confidence comes standard when you know the truth about who and what we are as humans. You watch hypergamy in action, you watch beta men chase after the fleeting attention of retarded social media sluts, and you watch the natural alphas and reformed alike confidently taking their pick of the flock.

[–]rocknrollchuck15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I bet you're a player aren't you?"

  • "I'm more like a coach at this point."

  • "What gave me away?"

  • "Yep, but my piano and guitar don't know about each other so don't tell."

  • Yeah. But only on Tuesdays and Saturdays.... so it looks like you're in luck.

  • "I like to have fun."

  • "Maybe, come find out”

  • “You don’t know the half of it!”

  • "Sounds like you’ve got an eye for talent.”

[–]We_Flatten_Stuff14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I bet you're a player aren't you?"
I feel like this warrants the response "I don't kiss/fuck and tell.". Ambiguous for her to imagine the answer how she wants and additionally tells her that you're not going to parade around that you've fucked her.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

"I bet you're a player aren't you?

Do women have sex with you without any expectations?

^ what they are asking.

It's an easy test to fail since a lot of guys don't realize that they need some cover in this fight. You can notch the ever living shit out of their bedpost but remember that they need to know they can control the media on this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Can you give details on what the difference was on how you carried yourself? Or was it the general confidence/ DGAF attitude?

[–]3whatsthisgarg46 points47 points  (16 children) | Copy

Girl A: Is it just me or does anyone else here meet a guy for the first time and imagine what it would be like if he was fucking you.

NOT imagine what it would be like to fuck him. I'm sure you remembered that correctly. They imagine what it would be like to get fucked.

[–]Docbear64118 points119 points  (15 children) | Copy

Women are acted upon , If you listen to most of their speech it's about what happened to them not what they did that lead to a situation. It's what fuels plausible deniability and it allows them to be free of the burden of blame . If you don't make a decision you can't be burdened with* a bad choice right? Because what ever occurred... just happened.

Edit: With the responsibility of a bad choice

[–]3whatsthisgarg57 points58 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women are acted upon , If you listen to most of their speech it's about what happened to them not what they did that lead to a situation. It's what fuels plausible deniability and it allows them to be free of the burden of blame .

Shit, you're right; it's damn near a universal feature.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And this is outside of just interactions like the above but relate to school, work, etc

[–]Dead__Hand42 points43 points  (6 children) | Copy

This is a brilliant observation.

[–]Docbear6427 points28 points  (4 children) | Copy

lol I wish I could take credit for it but It's just some of the knowledge that's been floated around this sub since it's birth .

[–]Dead__Hand12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've been lurking here for several years and somehow never came across it. Or, at least, not so explicitly. Looking back it's obvious by implication.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, I don't think it's been clearly and summarily explained just like you did in 2 sentences! I read that and thought, man that guy just hit the nail straight on the head.

btw, it also explains why women are so quick to be the victim.

[–]1Entropy-713 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

"It just happened" is a staple of female hamstering.

[–]DontTreadOnSnek4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I just tripped magically my vagina landed right on his dick. Weird."

[–]Vigilo_Infinite11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sums it all up quite nicely. If you don't look at women in relationships (as in, relating to their partner) as autonomous responsible adults and more as someone with an infantile-like mentality that needs to be lead and looked after, it all makes much more sense.

[–]Press2ForEnglish5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

As u/Dead__Hand said, this is a brilliant observation, and I have experienced this myself. Years ago I caught my girl cheating by reading the texts she was sending to her friend. Her exact words were, "Oh shit, he made out with me."

Of course she didn't do anything herself. It all "happened to" her.

[–]majorbollocks5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

YES! Women are acted upon. Very true!

[–]domoli16 points17 points  (18 children) | Copy

I've heard this too.. wonder what factors give the "you can just tell he'll be so rough" vibe. Sounds like ripped, tats, and edgy?

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Good frame too. IDGAF mentality.

[–]blackedoutfast22 points23 points  (6 children) | Copy

also fast kino escalation. if you're comfortable touching girls in relatively intimate ways while everyone is wearing clothes you probably will be comfortable picking her up and throwing her around later.

[–]AussiecuntTRP 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Is there somewhere I can read more about kino? I think it's one of the things I struggle with. I just can't bring myself to do it to someone I've just met

[–]Imjustkidding12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Search "kino" on seduction, theredpill, or maybe asktrp

You're not afraid to touch that beautiful girl, you're afraid of her reaction to the touch.

You're doubting her attraction towards you.

You're forgetting that YOU are the prize.

You're ignoring that kino undoubtedly works, therefore you're ignoring what girls obviously enjoy.

We're social creatures man. Babies get all fucked up if they're not held enough.

As far as you should be concerned, she's been dying for you to touch her. Give her what she wants!

And remember, kino can be the smallest, seemingly insignificant touch... but if you do it with confidence and keep it playful you will still be escalating.

Thumb wars, comparing hands, inspecting jewellery, hand on her shoulder while you laugh at her HILARIOUS joke, put your legs in a position where you guys bump into each other.

Freaking schoolyard tactics work.

And if she does repulse to a touch so innocent... You really think she wanted to fuck you anyways?

[–]BoulangerMontrealais5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

"And if she does repulse to a touch so innocent... You really think she wanted to fuck you anyways?"

This should really drive the point home. How would you react to her touching you in such a way?

If physical contact presents itself as something negative to her she clearly wasn't interested in the manner you were.

[–]biggerbetterjobs9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

You gotta feel it out and know when it's appropriate. You can get the vibe pretty easily and tell when she's down.

It helps to get the girl laughing and smiling.. That's where cocky/funny works for you. Act a little douchey but in a charming tongue in cheek Burt Reynolds in Smokey in the Bandit kind of way.. Like a charming bad boy.

If you have friends who are good with women or you're friends with some Chads, just watch and observe. Might take you a while to smooth out your social game and get used to it though.

Oh also be a good looking guy (this should not even have to be said).

[–]domoli15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

So basically Conor Mcgregor

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

It has little to do with appearance and more to do with game and frame. Your ability to prove to her covertly your aggressive sexual nature. Locking eyes and not breaking until she looks away first, kino, leading, dropping sexual ioi's etc. The more confidently you can communicate these subtleties, the more she'll know you won't hesitate to tear her pants off and smack her ass when you get her alone.

[–]mwait7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

It has lots to do with game/frame, but don't be fooled. It has just as much to do with appearance. Women don't want to be gamed by ugly dudes. It is really fucking hard to be the charming bad boy if you are flat out ugly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Certainly. I speak in generalities, of course.

[–]BestSC866 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

That isn't exactly true...

The exact actions by chode and hot dude gets drastically different reaction from girls.

Many of the dudes that fancy that they have the world's greatest "game" are really just attractive dudes who are not even aware that not every dude could get away with what they do.

They are easily to spot as the ones who are always posting that just stare her in the eyes and just say anything in the world...it doesn't matter she is wet just from you talking to her.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm inclined to agree with you. Our perspective are formed from our experiences. I've achieved my own success and therefore I "know" my own truths. They're not necessarily true for every dude. Self awareness is key.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Learning to flirt with insults. "Negging" but in a way that they enjoy

[–]Frigzy11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Think about it. Men are the same. We don't talk about it as often but we definitely actively scout our surroundings all the time looking for something to fuck.

It doesn't feel like that because it's just so natural, but if you think about it, when you move around in a public space, this is exactly what you are doing. You're basically a moving breathing pussy scanner.

Also, the scan happens almost instantly. We don't really actively have to imagine fucking a girl, it's faster than that. We scan her for the potential of fucking her (unconsciously) and then proceed from there. If she's fuckable, you'll keep looking at her for at least half a second longer than when she's not.

After that you may or may not imagine doing the fucking. Often times though there's just an underlying current of attraction. Not necessarily explicitely sexually defined just yet. You don't get boners from simply looking at girls, but you do almost instantly know if you could or not.

[–]ToxicStranger 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

If you want to know how to score a goal, don't ask the goalkeeper, ask the successful scorer. Women don't give the whole picture because they are not fully self aware. A controlling neckbeard is not sexy.

They want to be controlled by the guy they want. Being in control doesn't make you defacto attractive.

[–]harsha_hs14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is very true and should go more on top. Unless you're exuding some kind of high status or rich or successful or extremely good looking, Women don't want to be 'taken away' from you. They like being 'taken away', sure but by high value guys. IDGAF attitude looks good on a man when it is complemented by his value.

Be successful, be attractive, be rich, be socially dominant and then be aggressive and don't hesitate to 'take away' these bitches like they deserve

[–]DocWattz5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exude is the word you want. Elude is to escape

[–]harsha_hs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks bro. That's the word

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"because they are not fully self aware"...

Some of course are not self aware, these are the ones that "don't know what they want" so to speak. But a significant portion of them do, and will never tell you the truth.
The fact that you are asking a woman how to score a goal automatically puts you into beta status, and you instantly become a sub-standard male, and she's just lost respect for you. Maybe she'll give you information, maybe not, but it's kind of like telling the 5' tall guy just practice more and you'll be a great basketball player. She's giving you information, but deep in her mind she's thinking to herself, loser. This is when she throws out the comment, "there's someone out there for you don't worry".

There are always exceptions to this of course, but really your best bet is to ask the scorer like you said.

[–]H3yFux0r87 points88 points  (5 children) | Copy

So "not rape, but rape, not force, but force, not rough, but ya rough"

[–]Docbear6457 points58 points  (1 child) | Copy

The unfortunate part is that women expect men to " just get it " which is difficult in a society that is constantly telling women what they want even if it's against what they actually feel they want. I wonder how many times a woman had a sexual experience, enjoyed, it and then after going to a lecture or reading a blog post came to the conclusion she'd been raped .

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most of this comes from the incel version of women which is sad because they dominate buzzfeed, yahoo, tumblr, and online media

[–]Johnnyvile3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

And remember she wants you to TAKE IT!!

[–]Ambiguousdude1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is why I think i understand the meaning but not the execution.

[–]harsha_hs4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

if you're brad pitt, YESSSS!! OH MY GOD!!!!!

[–]Mr-Ed20940 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's so true. I can now read guys who know the game and those that don't. Like even some big built fellas fall short because they pander and speak in a soft voice to women at times. Instantly you can tell that it's going nowhere.

It comes down to polarity as well. It always seems the shy and innocent girls are often the freakiest in the sheets because they crave (need) dominance more. That is, they just don't end up having sex with tame men because their character does not allow tame dudes to progress to bone town.

Most 'promiscuous' women are happy to take the lead more often. And as a result have a much larger pick of men where sex is likely to happen with. I have a weird theory that the worse you are with women and BP in nature. Not only will you sleep with less girls but more likely than not the girls you do end up getting a piece with are often low quality and somewhat slutty due to their nature to go for weak minded dudes. I think this is what causes a lot of the dissonance on this sub.

Most real playas I know end up settling with girls who genuinely do have low n counts etc. Men confuse this for standards and 'being out of their league' etc. But I think when you look at it from the perspective of; these girls need a certain level of dominance to be bedded it ultimately makes more rational sense.

[–]Docbear64120 points121 points  (29 children) | Copy

There was a lot of outrage about Trumps " If you're successful they'll even let you grab them by the pussy " ..... but let a fuck buddy or aggressive boyfriend slide his hands between a womans legs in public and watch her be soaked and go feral when you take her home. It's about control and power and fear tends to stem from either a force you feel can / will overpower you and / or a force that will exert its will upon you . So naturally fear is an aphrodisiac on some level for most women along with pain . The number of women I know who fantasize or enjoy being choked, tossed around , spanked , and bitten is astronomical. It all cycles back to that idea of being used and overpowered though .

[–]TryhardPantiesON109 points110 points  (20 children) | Copy

As outrageous as that Donald Trump quote sounds, he is right, he is on point, the guy is red pilled and unapologetic about it, a dangerous mix to politically correctness.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

I love the irony in the fact that Donald Trump is the least liked president while at the same time being the greatest president. I fucking love the man and im not even american.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

he's the least liked according to the same people who predicted a huge loss when he got elected. It's just BS news at it again

He's probably the least liked out of the US / in Europe tho. But US voters don't care.

[–]1GreenPiller87 points88 points  (5 children) | Copy

Betas were so outraged, you could tell they never grabbed a woman by the pussy before.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK35 points36 points  (4 children) | Copy

Was in a lift with a girl I had met an hour ago and made out with and she was needlessly blabbing about Trumps pussy grabbing comment. I said "you mean like this" and grabbed her pussy. She paused and said "its different because I let you do it". Anyway it got her to stop talking about politics

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

You passed the liberal woman shit test - well done

[–]_R2P_ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Really amusing, expecially because Trump's quote is:

And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything… Grab them by the pussy.

[–]xeneize93 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah but women don't want that man if the girl is yours yeah ok but going around grabbing random women's pussy is wrong idgaf how red pilled or cool you think that is

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody is advocating to go around and grab random women, retard.

[–]Docbear6470 points71 points  (4 children) | Copy

He's not an idiot I doubt he just went up to some random chick he has never said two words to and grabbed her by the pussy . Chances are it went .

[Begin Scene]

Donald Trump : Do you know Who I am?

Slut who wants Trumps cock / money : " Yes Mr. Trump , I'm Savannah ( or some other stripper name).". Flirtatiously giggles

Trump : "Have you ever been to the roof of Trump tower , Savannah?"

Savannah : " No Mr. Trump but I bet the view is amazing up there , You should take me some time".

Trump : "Sure Babe how about we take a walk up there right now " * Says to Staff * "If you all will excuse me I need 20 minutes with Savannah , maybe 10 but we'll see".

Savannah : Nervous slutty giggle

Cue Trump sliding into an elevator with Savannah , smirking as his fingers begin to slide under her short cut skirt.

[End Scene]

I don't even particularly care for Trump but people make it seem like he was out there grabbing vaginas like it was as common a greeting as handshakes. I'm sure he had some kind of rapport with the women whose pussies he was grabbing because only a true idiot with no social awareness wouldn't. Yes I am something like a playwright.

[–]snarkcommenter 8 points8 points [recovered] | Copy

People butcher Trump's comment by saying he said "grab them by the pussy", but the other part of the quote is "they will let you grab them by the pussy" The important part being "they will let you". And the whole quote "When you're famous, they will let you grab them by the pussy" is more a comment on who women choose for sex.

That's why the quote is butchered down to "grab them by the pussy". It reinforces the SJW's imaginary rape culture agenda where none exists.

[–]Elodrian36 points37 points  (3 children) | Copy

He's not talking about "women" in that quote. He's talking about the starfucker variety of woman.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

So every woman?

Trump is older now so obviously not physically attractive but every single feminist that hated him would easily have been swept off their feet when he was younger. Fame, money, power - he has it all and it shows what women want

[–]4thAndLong1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. Every woman could be like that. It depends on the male in question. If the man has what the woman wants, he can do what he wants.

[–]Sweddy12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

starfucker variety

I wish I had gold to give you.

[–]blackedoutfast50 points51 points  (1 child) | Copy

there was a lot of outrage but if you paid attention it was all coming from bluepill / low-SMV males who've never grabbed a pussy and ugly women who've never had their pussy grabbed by a high SMV man.

all of the decently attractive women i know just rolled their eyes and laughed about it because they knew what he said was absolutely true.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

High SMV women are almost all conservative for that matter

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love how everyone was upset at trump for that but no one took the time to pause and realize that he's actually right - and if so why are women so ok with it

[–]0kool7413 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

people like Donald Trump is the whole reason the Red Pill exists. I mean, seriously.....what woman is going to be turned on and get wet by the likes of a John McShit or Lindsey Graham?

[–]hawkeaglejesus2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ali Wong (comedian) does a great bit about this. Only clip I could find http://www.cc.com/video-clips/xrxffi/john-oliver-s-new-york-stand-up-show-dominated-in-bed, but it's on her Netflix special too.

[–]Docbear641 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She's pretty funny I think she drops a lot of Redppill truths throughout that, From trying to catch the best man she can to this bit . I enjoyed her comedy and Women comedians are pretty hit and miss in my book .

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think Trump's only problem as an alpha is that he's old and, due to natural aging, slightly chubby. He's got every other alpha trait. If he were 20-30 years younger I bet he'd have a fan club. I was about to say a fan club of models waiting for him...but he literally owns Miss Universe.

[–]1Entropy-720 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Rape" fantasies and the like are common among women, but the caveat is that every female sex fantasy involves a fantasy man, probably not you!

Being aggressive, intimidating, instilling fear and trying to be rough right out of the gate will usually backfire unless you establish the right frame and get some IOIs.

[–]sfasfasfasdfads43 points44 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is all correct but needs a massive disclaimer that we're entering a time where everything is rape. It's getting harder to navigate the line between "she likes it rough" and "XOJane told her it's rape".

Story time:

I had a long term friends with benefits situation with this girl and our relationship involved rough sex multiple times a day (on weekends when we're together). The last time things went as usual. We went to sleep without fucking since it had been a late night. We spoon naked so in the middle of the night she starts grinding on me. I start doing it back. She inserts my dick and I fuck her aggressively doggie style while playing with her ass and pulling her hair.

In the morning she's giving me the silent treatment with these dead eyes and then tells me that I made her very uncomfortable with how I fucked her after we had had a fight. The fight was minor like 6 hours before bed. She was acting like i did something far more aggressive than fucking her the same way we always fuck.

I got out of that relationship in a hurry, and 3 days later after a few crazy texts she's asking me to hang out and watch GoT.

All I'm saying is, be fucking careful, you need to screen your women well. I knew that she was a California style feminist, but I wanted to get my dick wet. Probably where I fucked up.

[–]EumenesOfEfa43 points44 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do not reward feminists with dick.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (12 children) | Copy

Am I the only person who can't just pop a boner from looking at a woman in public?

[–]HunterRave71 points72 points  (6 children) | Copy

Dude. Stop fapping. Just for 2-3 days, you will feel a difference. Go to the mall or any populated area, and imagine fucking the shit out of every girl you see. Like just bending her over, your hips making her ass tremor, right there in front of everyone.

If you project sex onto every girl you see, some of them will be visibly unresponsive. They'll look at you and then look away really quickly, or make a face, or some negative response. BUT, you will get positive responses from surprising places, including but not limited to girls that are visibly with other guys.

To be in a Long term relationship is to deny your primal instinct to fuck every attractive thing that you see. Girls are attracted to the guy that embraces and pursues what he wants (in this case fucking everything he sees), which seems pretty damn congruent with the comments made in this thread.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dunno why you are downvoted but this is pretty legit.

[–]HunterRave7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I learned this from a book called Models by Mark Manson

[–]_MysticFox 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

How do you balance this with being desperate and making her feel like you're only lusting for her?

[–]HunterRave1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I do not know. In my knowledge of TRP ideals, I think that you seeming like you're also lusting after other girls would be a good thing. But either way, having sexual energy from not emptying your tank would only make it easier for you to honestly express sexual attraction, whether it's to one girl, or every hotty you see walking around everyday

[–]WeRAllOne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hhhehhe You had me at "ass tremor"

[–]meaningintragedy15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nope. Almost never happened to me. Do you watch a lot of porn?

[–]greatslyfer5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or just stop fapping so frequently.

It's just that simple. The more you jack off the less horny you are.

[–]marianasentmenudes9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Man, Billy Beta must surely believe in evolution occurred within all species but all of a sudden can't understand why evolution made women the way they are today

[–]1introvertp6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here's a pro-tip guys.

Once you've begun dating/fucking a woman start dropping lil' sound-bites like "I just wanted to take you right on the spot when I saw you in that dress, tonight" and once in a while do that, make plans to go somewhere and fuck her in her tight dress before you leave the house.

[–]Shakydrummer5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

So being someone with a really low libido, how the shit can I get around this. I've never been one for really cultivating sexual assertiveness because it's never been a huge prerogative for me and hookups are not my thing in the slightest. I do lift, and have a relatively interesting and busy life so that's not an issue though. Anything in relation to frame that I can work on?

[–]trees_away0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Go to a men's anti-aging clinic right now and get your T checked. TRT will change your life. I didn't know jack shit about being assertive with women until I started TRT because I was low-T my whole life. Most of the time when we're fucking the day after my shot, my girl comments something like "Oh, I can tell yesterday was shot day. Damn." because I'm so much more assertive in bed. She loves it.

Your libido WILL change on TRT. I used to be a two-pump chump, and had no interest in having sex more than once a night, completely comfortable only getting it a few times a month. Since we got the dosage right, I fuck on average about 10-12 times a week, with most actual 'fucking' (meaning, penetration is happening, not just foreplay) lasting for 30-60 mins. And that is more limited by me being out of shape than anything. I could probably fuck for hours straight if I wasn't a fatass.

[–]Throwawayhelper4200 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I've also read some things that TRT is ineffective and indistinguishable from placebo though, that the body doesn't make use of testosterone that wasn't created by the body.

[–]trees_away1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Bullshit. My total testosterone level has gone from 126 ng/dL to 600 ng/dL. I have morning wood just about every day (whereas I didn't before I started TRT). A placebo can't cause that. If your test level is where it should be, you should be popping wood every morning. It was EXTREMELY sporadic for me until TRT. Now my girlfriend can hardly stay off of my dick in the am.

One of my plates who knew me before I started TRT made a comment one night three weeks into my TRT about how she was going to send my doctor a gift basket. She said it multiple times how much different I was in bed. My dick was harder, I fucked her with much more aggression. It was a night and day difference.

I'm just plain happier. The mental fog and fatigue that I constantly had is gone. Depression is gone. Plus, the TRT + AI I'm taking for my E2 levels combats the negative testosterone effects of marijuana. My doc specifically condoned MJ usage (and I'm in a non-legal state) and told me he wanted to get my dosage right so that I could still enjoy weed without it killing my T. Now I can smoke weed and not lose motivation. Its great. :)

[–]Throwawayhelper4200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I honestly don't know, was just wondering because I am interested in the treatment and have heard mixed results, mostly negative.

Did you not also lift/make other changes in your life? Have you ever went without the shots to see if it goes back down/remains the same? Again, just genuinely curious and interested in experience reports.

[–]trees_away0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Before TRT I had been lifting pretty consistently for months with hardly any results. My nads just don't produce the T right. Based on the labs, my brain is sending the right signals, but my testicles aren't getting the message. Doc thinks its been lifelong. It fits honestly. Makes much of my life make sense.

If I went off TRT, there's a high liklihood that my T would plummet and I'd be miserable again. I have primary hypogonadism. Its TRT or living like a woman for me for the rest of my life. No thanks to that hell.

My experience with TRT has been life changing and I'd highly recommend EVERY man get their T checked, and should TRT be necessary, do it. If you can fix it naturally, thats better. But don't be afraid to use modern medicine to overcome the hurdles that our modern environment puts upon us. T has gone down globally a ridiculous amount in recent years, and I think its likely wreaked havoc on masculinity.

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Worked in pharmaceutical law for a while. Low libido under 50 as an as-is built-in condition is very rare so treatments are mainly erection based ie get you on drugs so your wife can rape you.

Thus get your T checked, get some good night sleep, put down the porn, eat better. It fixes a lot.

[–]Shakydrummer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never had an issue getting it up, and I rarely watch porn cause it doesn't do anything for me, and don't eat like shit so those are all checked off. Could very well be low T and sleep because I only sleep on average 5 to 6 hours a night cause of work and life. Cheers, thanks for the response man!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

also work on stress management, train hard but not like a maniac if your life is grueling already, don't do crazy low caloric diets

[–]Shaman66245 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women want to give themselves to men. And men want to take that gift.

[–]Wissenschaft853 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"there's someone out there for you don't worry"

If a woman ever tells you this, you are unable to take her (fuck her) and shes pittying you. Like a poor dumb dog that shes not going to take as a pet but hopes someone will.

If she thought you were fuckable she would take her chance to get at you. This is how married men (or at least men with girlfriends) will get hit on. Hint that your available and shes on you. Because she already imagines you fucking her and whatever women is not satisfying you is clearly that dumb bitches fault (note how every women against what this girl wants is a bitch). This is how women who hit on men who are not single think.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like the ~wanting to be dominated could also come from thousands of years of evolution where that was literally the only kind of sex that happened. I'm not a scientist though so don't quote me on that.

[–]maximus14872 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Recently found this sub. Like this Billy Beta example i (still) don't really understand this "agression" concept. We have been programmed to believe agression is something negative. By modern day standars, a man agressively taken a woman is viewed as a neanderthal attitude on his part and women don't like that right? Well...wrong. Sure, lots of us betas (i consider myself a beta since i have recently discovered all of this and haven't changed my ways...yet) can get a girl usually what i call a beta girl. Someone you feel safe with you know? Playing it on the safe side. Those betas who for whatever reason get an alpha woman are at risk (or that's how i view all of this): the alpha female will find her match on an alpha male. Infidelity, jealousy, and distrust will storm that relationship. And it will not end well. So i still need to work to understand this agression concept. Because in my mind, an agressive male is seen as a brute by women who want sensitive males. Now i am finally understanding this is false.

[–]maggieG428 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

I don't know if I would use the word fear. I think I would use the word passion. A man who is forthright in his pursuit is more passionate than a man who seems timid and trying to tick all the PC boxes. One leaves you feeling he wants you really wants you. The other like his asking the option but doesn't care either way.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is something the collective conscious of beta men will never accept.

It is fear that arouse women. Not to the point of them actually thinking they're not safe, but just on the edge of that. The times I've had the best sex was when I fucked without restraint. I didn't have an ounce of shit to give and she felt it. The look in her eyes was fear. I was using her neck as leverage to fuck her and she knew I wasn't going let her breathe until I was finished. Most people would be horrified to read that, but after she was the happiest, most relaxed version of herself i'd ever seen.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Shit. This gave me a boner.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Imagine me whispering it into your ear. Softly.

You're welcome.

[–]locolopes13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's both. Desire is the ultimate factor, what turns them on is for a man to desire them to the point of losing control, hence those fantasies. However, it has to be a high status man.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post, we need more of this here.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Beta Billy

It's important to point out that this is not a beta mindset necessarily, but a bluepill one. "Beta" is a sexual strategy; it's an inherently inferior one to "alpha fucks", but being an orbiter is a sexual strategy for second place. Nothing this guy said makes him necessarily beta, as he's not saying he's orbiting for pussy or putting his girlfriend on a pedestal. He is, however, blue pilled: society conditioned him to be gentle with women. That's a dangerous disadvantage being a sign of weak frame, but not "beta", which has been thrown around more as an insult lately than what it is: a poor end game that we seek to avoid

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yea the main takeaway here is that testosterone = aggressiveness, which women are programmed to respond to. It's not so much how you fuck her as it is your internal state, which is reflected in subtle aspects of your behavior and demeanor.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women care about themselves above all as a general rule. If you cannot provide them with anything then they will have zero interest in you. Status and Money is what turns a woman on.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

No. Status and money is what keeps them around.

What turns them on is masculinity. It's having the confidence to covertly indicate you're going to fuck her like a savage once you get her alone.

The same thing that makes men effective killers in the wild is what makes men attractive to women. I'm talking about piercing confidence and killer instinct.

[–]melvocado-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dear stores SOME women. All the women ik won't do anything without feeling trust and cared for.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Female perspective here! Some hesitation can indicate sincerity, which is HIGHLY attractive in my book. Putting too much focus on control & all things sexual will probably work well on women who feel lacking on some level, or women who just want to play, but otherwise it's a serious nay from me. A big turn off in fact.

[–]Throwawayhelper4200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, you're just attracted to the power you feel by knowing that you made a man nervous. When that happens you feel good, but you certainly become less attracted to the man.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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